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Which RF Video “Face Off” Shoot Would You Like to see Reviewed Next

1st November 2013 by Scott Keith

Here are the choices:

Raven & Honky Tonk Man
Raven & James Mitchell
Matt Hardy & Shane Helms

Vote by Clicking on the link below. Voting Ends Saturday at 8pm.

http://poll.pollcode.com/835514

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RF Video Shoot Interview with Ricky Steamboat

31st October 2013 by Scott Keith

This was filmed in 2001 and has a run time of two hours and twenty-five minutes

He got started in wrestling while attending junior college. He was going to transfer to the University of Tampa in order to pursue a degree in teaching. He always wanted to be a Physical Education teacher. When he met with a guidance counselor, he was told that there was a 3-5 year wait to get a job in Florida due to the fact that a lot of coaches from the North would move down and get a job a few years before their retirement and the schools wanted experienced teachers. His girlfriend at the time moved to Minnesota and became roommates with Verne Gagne’s daughter, Donna. He said that one night, his girlfriend was invited to Verne’s house for dinner and his daughter Donna told her that Ricky was a good wrestler, as they were talking a lot at the time. Apparently, Verne heard of Steamboat’s real name, Richard Blood, through Eddie Graham from the time Steamboat wrestled his son, Mike. Ricky said that the old-time promoters always paid attention to amateur wrestlers. Verne then contacted Ricky and asked for a resume.

When asked who helped train him, Steamboat said that the Iron Sheik was instrumental in training him. Billy Robinson would pass through and stretch the guys out on occasion but most of the camp consisted of exercising.

When the camp started, there were 16 guys. After two weeks, only four remained. Besides Steamboat were Chad Nelson, Scott Irwin, and Buck Zumhoffe.

His first territory was the AWA. he only worked there for eight weeks then went down to Florida and worked for Eddie Graham. He only stayed there for a few months. From there, he met up with Jim Barnett and ended up working in Georgia Championship Wrestling in 1976 after he asked him repeatedly for two months.

He tells a story about the booker at that time in Georgia, Tom Renesto (The Assasin), and how he was told that he was going to get a push and work with Dick Slater. He put over Slater one week then the following week he was at TV then told that they were not going to start the program until the following week and that continued for a while.

Still talking about Georgia, he says that Dean Ho helped him out a lot. In the territory, they would work six days a week and have Sunday’s off. Dean would have a barbecue every Sunday with him and his wife. Steamboat said that he kept to himself most of the time.

After Georgia, he went to work in the Carolinas. Steamboat said that he was doing opening matches for the first six months there and is unable to recall who he was wrestling at the time. He then said that Ric Flair went to Jim Crockett and asked to work a program with him. At the time, Flair was the Television Champion.

In regards to Flair, Steamboat says that he doesnt keep in touch with him as much but that he can still go in the ring. He also talks about Flair’s partying for a bit but does not go into details. He then says that he owes his career to Flair as that was when he started to get popular.

Steamboat is asked about his work ethic, especially the 45-60 minute long matches. Steamboat said that he wanted to go at least 30 minutes a night as being in the ring was his time. He says that he cannot tell a story in just 20 minutes. He then talks about guys would get into shape before they worked a program with him.

He is asked about Roddy Piper. Steamboat said that he was crazy and wouldnt back down from anything. He also said that Piper was an incredibly loyal friend.

Steamboat says that Jim Crockett tried to project that he knew about the business but did not have a foothold on the business the way that Vince McMahon does. He said that Crockett was easily persuaded by others.

When asked about Harley Race, Steamboat said that he was loved going to Japan. Steamboat said that he did 12 tours of Japan and most of them were with Race. Steamboat said that if Race respected you, he would take care of you in the ring. Steamboat also puts over his strength and said he never went to the gym and recalls a time that Race picked him up from the apron with one hand and pulled him back into the ring.

Next, Steamboat is asked how he got teamed up with Jay Youngblood. They were paired up in 1978 when they used to ride together then came up with the idea to become a team then pitched the idea to Crockett. At the time, Crockett wanted Steamboat to say as a singles wrestler to work with the heels. He puts over their matches against Flair & Greg Valentine, Sgt. Slaughter & Don Kernodle, and the Brisco Brothers. Steamboat then says while the general public will probably state that their favorite Steamboat match was his WrestleMania III match with Randy Savage or his matches against Ric Flair in 1989, his were his tag matches agaisnt the teams mentioned above.

Steamboat is asked about his retirement match against Sgt. Slaughter in 1982. He said that it was a build-up for a cage match with him and Youngblood against Sgt. Slaughter & Don Kernodle and that had the stipulation if Steamboat lost, the team would have to split up and he would have to retire. Steamboat and Youngblood won that match. He then said that they were ahead of their time with the stipulations and puts over George Scott as a booker.

When asked about Ole Anderson, he calls him a “real hardnose” and that there was no gray area with him. He says that he was an okay guy.

Back to Japan, Steamboat says that his mother was Japanese and that the fans there took to him as a fae. He said that all of the Japanese were faces and that the Americans were heels but he was a face. He also said that the heels were happy to work against him as he was nowhere near as stiff as the Japanese guys. He talks about the brutal travel schedule in Japan and tells a story of how he took several different forms of transportation totaling sixteen hours in order to work a spot show.

He is asked about any road stories while in the Carolinas. He laughs for a bit then tells a story about the Brisco Brothers. He said that they loved to drink but that Gerald always drove and one several occasions, he would drive well past their destination and would keep driving until he ran out of gas. When that happened, Gerald would go walk to get gas and Jack would end up locking the car and go back to sleep. One time, Gerald came back to the car and had to get in so he could open up the gas cap but the car was locked and Jack was sound asleep. Gerald then banged on the window a dozen or so times, with Jack’s head bouncing off of it as he was asleep, before Jack awoke.

Steamboat is asked about Tully Blanchard. He called him a hard worker but said that he had an attitude problem back then and said that Tully himself would probably agree (Tully confirmed this on his shoot interview). He joked that sometimes you felt like slapping the shit out of him due to how he acted.

Now, Steamboat is asked about working a few shows up in the Northern cities. This had Steamboat talk about different styles then said how all of the mechanics (moves) were the same but that the differences are how people sell, get heat, and timing of comebacks.

Steamboat is asked how the territory changed when Dusty Rhodes became the booker. He said that he left as he saw the writing on the wall as Rhodes was a babyface and had the pencil. He was working a program with Tully and that he would have a time limit on which he could win the Television Title off of him and that he would beat him in 25 minutes but he could only win the title if he beat him in 20 minutes. They kept extending the time limits but he would never get the title and it did not get over with the fans. After a match in which Steamboat went 47 minutes with Tully, Dusty proceeded to beat Tully in 12 and Steamboat started to work with Nikita Koloff, who was fairly new to the business. Steamboat knew that they were building up to Dusty vs. Nikita and that George Scott was booking in the WWF at the time and decided to make the jump.

Now, Steamboat is talked about the differences between WWF and NWA. He said at first, everyone thought that flying instead of driving would be great but after a while, they got sick of the planes as they had a lot less freedom.

He is asked is initial thoughts about Vince McMahon. Steamboat talks about how Vince ended the old handshake deals of the past about not running TV in another territory’s market. He said that he liked him too.

Steamboat now talks about his feud against Don Muraco. He said when he saw him in Florida, he was 228 lbs and looked like a Polynesian God but when he faced him in the WWF, he was up to 280lbs and sometimes hit the 300lbs mark. He said that Muraco would blow up in the ring and looked on the verge of dying but would take every bump and be in the right spot at all times. Muraco would be hungover from the night before and would sometimes have vomit hanging off of his mouth.

At this time, Steamboat addresses his matches against Randy Savage. Steamboat said that Savage was a detailed guy and would spend a lot of time with you before the match and then give you some offense if he liked you but if he did not, he would go out there and take everything he could. He then said that Savage was detailed to the point that he would write down each step and for step one would actually go ahead and write “lockup,” which Steamboat thought was ridiculous as every wrestler would start out by doing that. Steamboat said that he had a spiral bound notebook with each step written out, with as much as 285 steps. They would meet in their hotel rooms and go over the matches the night before. He said that while Andre and Hogan sold the show, he told Savage that they should go out and steal the show. He mentioned that they had 22 nearfalls in a sixteen minute match that the fans were going nuts for the whole time.

Steamboat now compares his matches against Ric Flair to the ones he had with Savage. He said that they went into a 57 minute two-out-of-three falls match just knowing the three finishes and that they would call the rest in the ring. For that reason, he said that he liked his matches against Flair the best.

When asked about his relationship with Hogan, Steamboat said that it wasnt much and cannot recall a single time in which they ran into each other outside of an arena. He said that while Hogan stayed at the finest hotels, he was staying at the Red Roof Inn type of places in order to save money.

He is asked why his team with Jimmy Snuka did not get pushed. Steamboat said that he did not even know why they were teamed to begin with. He didnt say much other than that but for what it’s worth, multiple wrestlers who were in the WWF at this time stated that Snuka’s drug use was really out of control at the time.

Steamboat said that he realized WrestleMania was a huge deal during WrestleMania III. He said that the first one was more localized and that he didnt like WM2 as they had to fly to Australia that same night. He said that he wrestled Hercules Hernandez, who really wanted to try hard and have a good match that night but ended up having an anxiety attack and froze up in the ring. Steamboat said it was like wrestling a pole.

When asked about the drug use in the locker room, Steamboat said that it was used and that he would be lying if he said that he never dabbled in drug use himself, stating he took a “little bit” of speed a few times when he was run down due to their brutal schedule so he could work a match.

In regards to the Honky Tonk Man, Steamboat said that he was an okay guy but was sad that he had to drop the Intercontinental Title to him. Steamboat then reveals that he was originally promised that he was going to have the belt for the year but that Vince had to have the belt defended at house shows. Steamboat said that he just wanted a few weeks off for the birth of his son and that he defensively told Vince that they only wrestled in major cities once a month so why couldnt the belt be off the road for a few weeks? Steamboat then goes on to say how he never had a problem doing a job and that having a good match was the most important thing. He thought the Honky Tonk Man character was hokey but he worked his ass off. He also said that they had several others heels that had been with the company for a while who also worked their asses off who were upset that they were passed over for the belt.

Steamboat said that his realtionship with Vince was damaged after that. He also said that he was really down after coming off of his match with Savage at WrestleMania, he dropped the belt. He said that his feelings were hurt after that too and his outlook on Vince changed.

He loved working with Jake Roberts and calls him a great worker with excellent timing.

He is then asked how he wound up going back to WCW. Steamboat says that he came back after a six-month break in December of 1987. At WrestleMania IV, he was part of the tournament to crown the new WWF Champion. He first saw the brackets and saw that he was facing Valentine in the first round then figured that he would win and face Savage in the second round and return the favor by jobbing to him as everyone knew that Savage was winning the belt. Steamboat said that Chief Jay Strongbow came up to him and told him that he was going to be eliminated in the first round. He also said that his wife went out to the concession stands and found that he did not have any merchandise out at all then thought that Vince was making an example out of him for taking time off and that was when he decided to leave for WCW.

Steamboat is asked if had something to prove during the Chi-Town Rumble and he said that he might have wanted to show the fans that he still had it but that was about all.

After he dropped the belt to Flair, he thought that he was going to have some re-matches with Flair and had no idea that Funk was coming in to challenge for the belt. Steamboat then said that he had no ego in regards to his stance in the company about being the number one babyface. He said that he was happy that he would usually have the best match on the card that night.

He liked the Great Muta but said that he wanted to go 90mph all the time, which Steamboat did not want to do all the time as he wanted to save stuff for the end of the match. Steamboat then goes back to his WWF days and tells a story how he wrestled the second to last match on the card against Randy Savage in Chicago, with Paul Orndorff and Hogan as the main event. Well, Orndorff and Hogan were late and on a jet as they worked at the Nassau Coliseum that day. Blackjack Lanza was the agent and told them that they did not know when Orndorff and Hogan were arriving and said that when he came out and put his pencil in his mouth, they had to wrap up the match. He said that the referee saw him standing there and that they ended up going 52 minutes that night. He said after the match, he collasped on the floor, as was Savage. He said they were blue due to a lack of oxygen.

When asked about Terry Funk, Steamboat said that he would stiff you but when it was your turn on offense, he would let you unload on him. He is asked about Lex Luger and grabs a lamp post and says that working with that is what it’s like working with Lex. He said that he would help him and basically tell him what do during their matches as it happened. He said that Luger had no clue how to work as a heel but that Luger himself actually thanked him for helping him out. Steamboat said that he didnt know Sting much at all as he kept to himself but that he was cordial towards him in the locker room.

Steamboat is now asked about his WWF return and if he was against the fire blowing gimmick. He said at that time, Vince had an art lady who would draw up costumes as that was what Vince wanted at the time. Steamboat said that the costume looked cool on paper but the tail weighed a lot. He said orignally, he was only supposed to do the fire blowing gimmick at the big shows but that Vince loved it and convinced him to do it every night. Vince actually sent him to a guy in Florida to did fire-swallowing for the Carnival to learn and the guy turned out to be a huge fan of his. Steamboat tells a story of the guy showing him the trick on a windy day and that the wind shifted and blew the fire into his face and he was running around trying to put it out. Steamboat, who was with Bruce Prichard at the time, turned to Prichard and said that he was not going to do this but he eventually learned and did it safely each time.

He is asked if he felt insulted working opening matches and Steamboat said that he was. Steamboat said that he met with Vince at his house and they shook hands and buried the hatchet. Vince also promised Steamboat a main-event spot but told him he wanted to start him off slow and build him back up and that it would take three months. Steamboat said that after three months, he asked Vince about a program and he was told it would happen at the next TV but it never did and lasted for ten months until Steamboat landed in a town somewhere in the midwest and called up the office and gave his two weeks notice.

On the subject of Shawn Michaels, Steamboat said that he was surprised that he became the top guy in the company but thought that he ended up pulling it off. He called Rick Rude a hard worker but was very opinionated and that he was usually only looking out for himself.

Steamboat is asked about the rumor that he quit the WWF after refusing to job for the Undertaker. He said that his last show, a TV taping,  they wanted him to do a stretcher job for both the Irwin R. Schyster and the Undertaker and he said no. Steamboat said that he would job in the ring but if he did a stretcher job in the first hour then later on in the taping did another one, what would the fans think. Vince told him that if he did not do a stretcher job, he would be fired on the spot.

He wound up back in WCW after he called them up. He teamed with Dustin Rhodes and Steamboat puts him over as a hard worker and thinks that he wanted to prove himself because of his dad.

Steamboat said that Bill Watts respected him and wanted the heels and faces to be separate at all times, even during flights or at the gym. When traveling to cities that had multiple flights, he would try to have the heels go on one plane and the faces on the other.

He is asked about several other workers. Steamboat loves Arn Anderson, saying that he would help you out in a minute. He also calls Arn a great finish guy and said he was a great worker. He also puts over Cactus Jack as a great guy, both outside and inside of the ring. He loved working with Brian Pillman and Steve Austin. Steamboat recalls a story while wrestling at a small house show in Northern Georgia against Pillman & Austin while teaming with Douglas, an announcement was made that if you want to make it home, leave now because a blizzard is coming. They did not know about the announcement as the locker room was in a dark basement and when they came out to the ring, only twelve people were left in the crowd that was sold out and they were all from the same family. Their house was across the street from the building so they stayed. They ended up wrestling for 40 minutes and had a blast. He said that they mixed in comedy spots in their too and had a blast.

When asked how he became teamed up with Shane Douglas, he didnt know but said that Shane always tried to learn from him and that he was an intelligent guy. They still keep in touch today and occasionaly have dinner.

Steamboat then says that he has few guys in wrestling who will always be there for him including Shane, Arn, Nikita, and Flair.

He liked Vader and thought he had a big heart but said that he was stiff in the ring. Steamboat also said that he cant blame him for being a little stiff as he played in the NFL and to play at that level, you needed to have that edge and he would get wrapped up in his matches and start to really lay into you.

About his last match in WCW against Steve Austin, he said that he hurt his back and had two months left on his contract yet WCW decided to terminate him anyway. He said that guys came up to him and couldnt believe that he was fired as he gave his all and was a decent guy yet there were others who were hurt for several months and nasty in general that still got paid to sit home.

Steamboat is then asked if he could come back and work a match today. He said that he could but not the same way he used to wrestle and could only take a limited amount of bumps. He would love to work with Flair and thinks after a few weeks of training, could work an hour-long match with Flair although at a much slower pace.

He talks about Teddy Long and how he still keeps in contact with him. He also says that Teddy calls him every Christmas. Steamboat says that Teddy thanks him for telling management that he should be a manager when he was a referee for the NWA. Steamboat says that he is not sure if he even was the reason that Teddy got that into the role.

On the current product, Steamboat says that he feels for the new guys in the business today when it is all geared towards TV and PPV and all of the matches are short. Without working long house show matches, you cannot get a feel for psychology and without territories, there is nowhere to practice and learn. He brings up a seminar that he is conducting and said that he asked a lot of guys what to do in certain situations and they are lost as what do to. Steamboat really shows off how much he knows about psychology and stresses once again that all of the moves are the same but it is the body language and movement that makes it special. From that, he said that a card is varied and that they all portray different characters and sell moves in different ways.

When asked about the Rock, he said that he doesnt know him personally but is doing a great job. He calls Steve Austin a hard worker.

He is asked about his son being a fan of wrestling and he said no but loves watching NASCAR. Steamboat also adds that his son’s friends all watch and cannot believe that he doesnt because he is a wrestler.

Steamboat says that he doesnt really watch much today but will stop and watch when he sees Rock, HHH, and Austin on TV.

Now, he is asked about guys who we thought should have made it bigger. He brings up the Guerrero’s, specifically Chavo Sr. and Eddie.

About working as a heel, Steamboat said that he wanted to work heel during his second WWF run as for once, he wanted to tell someone in the crowd to shut up and sit down. He said that Pat Patterson told him that he could cut off Bret Hart’s head with a chainsaw and that wouldn’t work as a heel. He also told Steamboat to never work heel as it would hurt his career.

He says that he has no regrets about the business.

When asked about good rib stories, he says that Mr. Fuji would put super glue on door handles and one time in the 70’s in the Carolinas, Fuji wrapped a chain all around a car and put an M80 on the distributor so when the car started, it would blow up. He then tells a story of how Johnny Valentine did a really bad rib when crapped in someones bag then put lighter fluid in Harley Race’s inhaler. After that, Race came back with a gun and shot holes into Valentine’s bag.

He closes by stating he will never forget his fans and the support that they gave him and will never, ever turn down an autograph or photo from them. He thanks them for evverything that he has then tells a story of a fan named George Silva. He wrote a letter and sent a picture of how when he was 15 years old and at an autograph session, he was at the back of the line and after the time was up, Steamboat said that he was going to stay and sign for everyone. In the letter, he said that he was going to try to make the seminar and that he showed up and went they met, Steamboat pulled out the picure and gave him an autograph.

Final Thoughts: After a really slow start, the first 20-25 were dreadfully boring, it ended up turning out to be a decent shoot. I felt like shutting it off at the beginning to tell you the truth. Steamboat also speaks slowly and relaxed so that ould also turn people off. Steamboat did not have an agenda here and seems to appreciate everything wrestling has gotten him. However, you could tell that he was still bitter about losing the Intercontinental Title and the way he was booked in his last WWF run, despite saying at one point in the interview that he did not have a problem jobbing to someone clean in the ring. The part about the stretcher job I can see it from his perspective about the fans at the building not buying him coming out after being stretchered out only to have it happen again but at the same time, they were television tapings and the fans are seeing them a week apart. In closing, I give this a mild recommendation but would not blame you if you tuned out early.

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RF Video Shoot Interview with Paul Orndorff

24th October 2013 by Scott Keith

This interview was filmed in 2002. It ran about two hours and 45 minutes long.


Orndorff is asked if he was a fan of wrestling growing up. He said that he was not but after getting drafted by the New Orleans Saints and after failing his physical and not making the team, he lost his spirit for football and went to Tampa, where he was a former High School All-American. His father in-law knew Eddie Graham and he got a tryout.

He is asked about bodybuilding. He said that he did it for football then became obsessed with it and said that he had the best natural body in the business. He then looks back and says that his WWF heel character worked because that is what he was at that time, a jerk who was overly aggressive.

He was trained by Hiro Matsuda. Orndorff said that most people didn’t last long in training and that it was brutal. He said that he had four practices in a single day with the Saints and that still didnt compare to the training under Matsuda. They would practice in a building that was closed up and over 100 degrees inside. He said that he had the drive and was passionate and that is why he made it.

His first went to Memphis and stayed for nine months. After a week, Eddie Marlin took him aside and said that if he didnt improve, he would be let go. Orndorff said that the crowds intimidated him and he is not an outgoing person, making it tough at first. After that, he started doing things he had never done before and called Marlin a good guy that knew how to handle him.

In Memphis with him at that time was Jerry Lawler, Junkyard Dog, and the Fullers.

Next, he went to Mid-South to work for Watts. Orndorff said that he liked athletes and called the territory an experience. He said that the travel was a rude awakening but he loved it. After a while, he left and went to Charlotte after George Scott saw him and asked if he wanted to go to Charlotte.

He is asked about working with Dusty Rhodes and Ernie Ladd. He said that he has the utmost respect for Ladd as he helped him tremendously. He did not hang around Dusty all that much.

He is asked about Bill Watts being tough. Orndorff said that he was and that Watts made all the new guys go through him.

In regards to working the Superdome, he said that he only had about two years of experience and had to grow up quickly. When asked if guys were jealous of him, Orndorff said maybe a few of the older guys but that he gernerally got along with everyone.

Orndorff is asked about Andre the Giant. He said that he was very smart and respected him a lot. He called him a friend and said that if Andre didn’t like you, he would let you know.

He is now asked if he left Watts under good terms. Orndorff said no and that he got pissed when he found out he was not getting any money off of his T-shirts and got fired. Orndorff said that he really did him a favor and that Watts did not know he had a deal with Charlotte.

He is asked about teaming with Snuka. Orndorff puts him over as one of the best ever and that he learned a lot from him. He said that they had fantastic matches against Gene & Ole Anderson. When asked about Greg Valentine, he liked him a lot and said that he was old school and enjoyed working with him.

When comparing the locker rooms between Charlotte and Mid-South, Orndorff said Charlotte had a lot more stars. He said if you asked the veterans for help, they would help you but if you did not, you wouldnt receive any help at all.

He is asked about Ric Flair at that time. He calls him a great worker and that you need the “pencil” behind you and if you did not, you were only as good as you want to be.

Orndorff is asked about David Schultz. He said that he was a good worker but cocky. He was asked about the John Stossel incident and Orndorff said that Schultz was trying to get himself over as the top heel and that was his way of trying to get notoriety.

Rob jumps ahead and asks if he ever bumped heads with Roddy Piper about being the top heel. Orndorff said that as corny as it might sound, he let his work do the talking instead of backstage politics.

Orndorff quit Charlotte and went back to work for Watts. He said that he was miserable in Charlotte. He is then asked if Watts treated him different and he said yes but he likes Watts.

He is asked about Dick Slater. Orndorff liked him a lot and calls him and Bob Orton one of the best tag teams ever. He also liked Orton but said that he stuttered a lot. He says that guys like Orton, Slater, and Eddie Graham are the ones who should be thanked as they are the reasons that guys are making big money today.

Next, Orndorff is asked about Hulk Hogan around this time. He said that Hogan was never an athlete and playing the guitar at the time but didnt really no much about him until he went to the WWF. Orndorff calls him smart and charismatic.

He is asked about working with Ted DiBiase. He said that they had good matches sold out the Coliseum and had an hour-long draw. Orndorff said at first, he didnt think it would work as they were two young guys without much experience. Orndorff puts over the genius of Watts for having the vision to see that it would workout then adds how the match gave him a lot of confidence going forward.

When asked about Jake Roberts, Orndorff said that he really is a snake. He calls him a good worker but didnt care much for him personally. He said that while he is a straight shooter, Roberts would make everything about himself.

He is asked about matches against JYD. He said that in Mississippi, he had a gun pulled out on him. It was his first time working heel too. Orndorff said that JYD tried and was a hard worker but they had different styles. Orndorff said that he was determined to give the best match on the card. He brings up how Eddie Graham once told him that if you wrestle in front of ten people or ten thousand people, you still give the same effort.

Orndorff is asked about Ricky Steamboat and joked that he was “too good.” He also said that he was ahead of his time and one of the best.

Next, Orndorff went to Georgia and wrestled for Jim Barnett. He said that he got a good guarantee and liked the schedule. He said that he got along with Ole Anderson then adds that you always knew where you stood with him. Orndorff also states that the TV show put TBS on the map and because you were on TV, you could go to another territory and be noticed.

Orndorff is asked about an altercation he had with Tony Atlas. He tells a story of how Brian Blair was driving and Orndorff was with Atlas. They had a cooler with melted ice and everytime they took a turn, the water would splash on himself. He wanted Blair to pull over but Atlas said no and wanted to keep going. They kept going at it then he said it ended up with Atlas going to the hospital after they fought on the side of the road. He said that he didnt know what happened with Atlas that night as they always got along.

He is asked about any Ric Flair stories. Orndorff said that he doesnt but puts over Flair for his psychology and work. He also puts over Harley Race for his psychology and that both guys could draw and were nice guys.

Orndorff went over to Japan to work for Antonio Inoki. He said that happened when Ernie Ladd told him that Vince McMahon Sr. wanted him to work for the WWF. Orndorff said that he was called a year and a half prior but declined because he said that he was not ready yet. Around this time, Vince Jr. was getting ready to take over for his dad so he only worked in Japan for several months while Vince Sr. took care of him.

He said that he liked Japan and wished that America would adopt their ways of doing business. He said that he trained hard over there but did not like the food and that it was too far of a plane ride.

Orndorff went to the WWF with David Schultz, Hogan, Piper, and Orton. He said that Vince Jr. treated them wonderfully and wanted to take over the world. He said that Vince told them all of the expansion plans. When asked if it would work, he said that you have to take chances. Orndorff said that at the time, WWF did not have many athletes and relied on slow, lumbering guys.

He confirmed that the office came up with the idea to team him up with Schultz and Piper. He said that he did not like tag matches but they are a good way of helping young guys. He said that Vince told him he was going to make money and when he says that, you will and he is still like that today.

At this time, he traveled with Heenan a lot when he came in and also traveled with guys like Tito Santana and Rick McGraw but he liked to travel by himself and concentrate on his matches instead of being caught up in gossip. He said that he took his work seriously.

Orndorff talks about wrestling today and how they no longer have guys around to teach psychology. He said that teaching someone to jump off a balcony or take a bump off the top rope is the easy part. He then adds how no competition will really hurt things in the long run as competition makes everyone better.

Next, he is asked about working against Hogan when he first got the title. Orndoff said that he loved worknig with him and calls him good people. He then adds that Hogan made him a ton of money and the hottest heel in the company as Orndorff made him the hottest face in company.

He is asked about how Snuka was in the WWF at this time. He points out that is body was broken down and had “other” problems going on as well. Snuka’s drug problem was rumored to be out of control at this time.

When asked about Vince changing as the company grew bigger, Orndorff said he is a class act all the way. He tells a story of how he got hurt at the end of WCW and Vince called him and told him how much he respected him.

Orndorff is then asked about Captain Lou Albano. He brings up how he was always loaded on the plane rides and would talk the entire flight. He said he was a fun guy.

He said that Jesse Ventura was probably ahead of his time but his gimmick didnt do anything for him. Orndorff thinks that there must be LSD in the waters of Minnesota for him to get elected governor then says that he wouldnt be any worse than the others.

Next, is the incident between David Schultz and John Stossel. Orndorff thoguht he should be fired as you had Schultz, who was 6’5, slap a tiny reporter in Stossel. Orndorff also believes that they should act like professionals and stuff like this is what gives wrestling a bad name.

Orndorff is asked if the TNT skits bothered him. He said not at all and mentions that it was all ad-libbed. He saw it as another vehicle, as you couldnt have just wrestling all the time. Orndorff thought it was smart and that Vince knew how to get his product over.

He is asked about several workers. Orndorff thought that Rocky Johnson was all show and when he was facing him, he was past his prime. He couldnt stand Chief Jay Strongbow at all. he still doesnt like him and says that Strongbow never treated him with respect and one day, he dressed down Strongbow in front of the locker room. He loved Bruno Sammartino, calling him a great and humble guy. He would have loved to work with him in his prime.

They talk about MTV. Orndorff said Vince told him it was all about the big picture. He tried to focus on himself at this time. Vince says he was the first to do this (WrestleMania) and said everywhere they went after that, people were talking about it. He was asked about if he had to change his style and Orndorff said not at all.

Next, he is asked about Mr. T. He said that he did not like him and if he tried to shoot on them, Piper and him had a plan. Feinstein asks him about the rumor of Bruiser Brody running in during the main event and shooting on Mr. T but Orndorff said that he never heard about that.

In regards to the travel schedule, Orndorff said that it burned everyone out. He said that he got offered a role in “Rambo” but Vince would not give him the time off to film. He also got offered a part on “Miami Vice” by Don Johnson that he was unable to get the time off for. He adds that he was in the main event and had to be at all the shows.

Orndorff is asked about the drugs in the locker room. He said that wasnt for him because he took his job seriously and you cant burn the candle at both ends. He says that the drugs were there.

Back to Mr. T, Orndorff said he was scared to death but they worked with him. When asked who trained him, Orndorff said he forgot then jokes how they didnt do a very good job.

They ask Orndorff about the training vignette in which they throw Gene Okerlund out on the street. Orndorff thought it was great.

Now, he is asked about turning babyface. He said that he did not like it much at all. He then adds that he suggested to them that he get the belt then lose it back to Hogan, mentioning how it would have drawn huge, but they decided to do that with Savage later on. He did not enjoy working as a face because it wasnt his style but he had to do it that way.

Orndorff did not like working with Piper, saying he was very limited in the ring. When asked if Hogan was difficult as a partner, Orndorff said he was a business man.

He thought Big John Studd was a great guy, which seems to be the consensus for most of the shoot interviews I have seen. They traveled to Japan together and he said that Brian Blair and himelf used to pull pranks with Studd.

When speaking about the politics in the locker room, Orndorff said there were a lot of sharks in the locker room. He said that he was not a good politician and Vince told him once that he was too honest. Orndorff said that he let his work do the talking. He also says that Piper played a lot of politics then too.

Now, he is asked about being upset as a face due to being behind Hogan. He said no, because he was drawing  alot of money.

Orndorff is asked about Dynamite Kid. He said that he went overboard with the ribs that he pulled and himself wasnt into hurting someone or destroying their stuff.

He said that Funk was in a league by himself but beat up his body too much. He adds that he will always find a way to work a match and that is why he is great.

Up next is WrestleMania 2 and if we was bothered about going from the main event to fcing Don Muraco. He liked Don but said that his style at the time wasnt good and that sometimes, they have to put you on the backburner.

When asked about Adrian Adonis, he said at the time, he wasnt going to work with him while he was wearing the dress. Looking back, he said that he would have done it but didnt care as he had enough money in the bank.

Orndorff then stresses the importance of good matches, saying that you need the money angle and the good match.

He calls the first WrestleMania and the Big Event show in Toronto as the highest poinrs of his career. He mentions how much the crowd hated him. He recalls that was the biggest check of his career.

Next, he is asked about Bobby Heenan. He loved him and says that always got lost driving from Newark and he ripped out the steering wheel on one occasion.

He said that he saw guys crack. One night, he worked with Hogan at the Nassau Coliseum then went to Chicago. They had a jet waiting for them and he left the arena in his robe and went to the show.

Orndorff said that he took pride in having good matches. He says that the crowd works hard for their money and want to be entertained. He mentions growing up in a trailer park and how that made him appreciate everything he had.

On his physique, Orndorff said at one time, he had 4% body fat. He said that when he traveled, he never ate the airplane food because it was terrible for you. He said that his body was his money and that he took care of it.

Orndorff admitted that he took steroids at one point. He said that he got them through a doctor and took only as prescribed.

When asked about the Iron Sheik and Jim Duggan getting caught with drugs, he said that it was really bad for business. He also said guys getting into bar fights also hurt things.

Orndorff is asked about getting buried when he turned face again in late 1987. He said he probably was but he was also really burned out at that time too.

He thought that Bret Hart was a good worker but a terrible interview. He also adds that Bret thinks he is bigger than he really is but also said that he saw something in him when they wrestled at the end of his WWF run.

Now, he is asked about the angle in which he fired Heenan and hired Oliver Humperdink. He said that it was good but didnt think it would draw a lot of money. He didnt think that he needed a manager.

On working with Rick Rude, he said that he was hurting badly at the time but kept working. He said Rude was one of his best friends and that he was a pallbearer at his funeral. They hunted together and Orndorff said that he talked to him the night before he passed. He said that Rude was the best heel at the end of the 1980’s.

He did not leave the WWF on good terms with Vince. Orndorff claims that others got into Vince’s ear that he was not really hurt. Orndorff said that he was prepared to retire at the time.

Now he is asked about an obituary report about him dying on steroids. Orndorff said he got a call about that at his bowling alley.

On how he wound up in WCW, Orndorff said that he was offered close to $500,000 by Jim Herd at one time but turned it dow, as  he was mentally and physically burned out .Looking back, Orndorff said it was a mistake turning that down.

When asked about comparing WCW locker room to the WWF, Orndorff said that WCW was second rate. He liked the Steiners and Sid Vicious but hated Luger, calling him a “puke” and a “sissy.” He thought that Sid had a lot of potential. Orndorff then adds that the fans are a lot smarter than what most wrestlers and promoters give them credit for and just being big or a freak is not going to sell if they do not have anything to go with that.

He is asked about smart fans hurting the business. Orndorff said that is does to a point but the promoters and wrestlers have gotten away from the basics and are delivering a product that is not believable. He talks about how it is an insult to the fans intelligence for someone to get right up after they fall from a balcony.

He is asked about being phased out of WCW. He said that he was banged up at the time. He went to UWF and worked for Herb Abrams. Orndorff said that he was a good guy but wild and wanted to hang with the wrestlers. He then says that he wished more promoters shared his enthusiasm for the product. He said he liked him and didnt blow him off like others did.

On how he wound up in Smoky Mountain, he said that someone called him up but he forgets who. He liked it there and enjoyed teaching Brian Lee. He calls Ronnie Garvin a solid worker and an okay guy. He also said that Brad Armstrong did good but was on the small side.

He went back to WCW when Bill Watts was in charge. He said that the company was different and they had non-wrestling people in charge who knew nothing at all about wrestling.

He puts over Cactus Jack, saying he could talk and work but says that he did not have any respect for his body and if he did, he could still be wrestlnig today. He loved working with him as he always went all out. He also said that he was a nice guy.

Orndorff is asked about teaming with Vader. He said that he had all the tools to be a star but that he wanted to be a “Mexican.” He is referring to his highspots. Orndorff said that he should have been the hottest heel in the country but his attitude got in the way. Feinstein said they will get to their altercation later in the interview.

Next, he is asked if the locker room was angry over Erik Watts being pushed. He said he wasnt personally mad then adds that he wasnt even pushed that hard. He also adds that he was not ready for the spot. He knew Erik when he was a little kid and wanted to help him out.

Back to the company, Orndorff said Watts could have turned it around but the office would not let him. He says that Vince would never run a company the way that WCW did, especially when it comes to guaranteed contracts. Orndorff said that guaranteed deals give guys no incentive to work.

He thought 2 Cold Scorpio could have been something and was really good in Japan. He hated the Goldust gimmick but said that Dustin Rhodes could work. He calls Ricky Steamboat a professional.

When asked about conflicts between other wrestlers and Bill Watts, Orndorff said there was but he did not care to get involved as it just brings you down.

When Jim Herd replaced Watts, Orndorff said that he did not know much about him but that he helped them during interviews.

Orndorff is asked about Eric Bischoff. He replies that if you cant say something good about someone, dont say anything at all. He did say that Bischoff valued his opinion then mentioned how he was unable to win the race against Vince McMahon. He said that he predicted that from day one and that it would never work because Bischoff listened to the boys.

He calls Steve Austin his friend and is glad that he went to the WWE . He then adds that he needs to stop cussing so much.

On the subject of Pretty Wonderful, he said there were plans for them at one point.

When Hogan came to WCW, he said that he was a help to the company but when he turned is when the company really took off. Orndorff also adds that Hogan should have turned heel in the WWF.

He said that Randy Savage was different but worked hard. He never hung around with him outside the ring so does not know if he was paranoid.

Orndorff said that Jimmy Hart came up with the Gary Spivey angle. He adds that Hart was very underrated and had a smart mind for the business. Orndorff said he doesnt let things fall through the cracks and wishes him well in XPW.

Next, is his fight with Vader. He said that Dave Penzer asked him to do interviews and he said no then after Vader declined a few more times, Kevin Sullivan went up to Orndorff and asked him if he would talk to Vader. Orndorff says that the crew was union and had fifteen minutes until their break so he apporached Vader and asked if he could do it then Vader swore at him and Orndorff said that they went back and forth then Vader sucker punched him. Orndorff said that he got up and defended himself and evetually knocked him down then started kicking him in the face. He said that they got into it again and Orndorff took a few more shots at him. When asked about the locker room reaction, he said that they loved it . Orndorff wasnt proud of it.

Orndorff now talks about how hard it is to be a good wrestler today. He adds that he can teach anyone to bump in three months but to become a good worker, you need between 3-5 years of wrestling constantly and without territories, it is hard to accomplish. He then talks about how wrestling is just about showbiz now and that it is filled with profanity and nudity. He then adds that people will get burned out on the product and believes the economy will play a factor in wrestling’s popularity declining.

When asked about if he was pressured to return to the ring, he said that they always asked him and brings up his last match in WCW, when he hurt himself giving a piledriver to Mark Jindrak. He said that his legs were supposed to be straight but that Jindrak’s legs were bent and he couldnt drop him down because he would drop straight on his head so he altered the hold and when he hit the mat, his right arm went numb. He basically broke his neck again, according to him, and mentions that it toes become numb after walking and that he has to visit a pain clinic on a regular basis.

He is asked how WCW changed when Kevin Nash and Scott Hall entered the company. He said that they liked to stir things up and were not his kind of guys.

He is asked about the issues between Ric Flair and Eric Bischoff. Orndorff calls it a feud between an egomaniac and a spoiled brat. When asked if there was something they could have done to solved the problem, he said fire both of them then laughed afterwards.

Orndorff is asked about Hogan and Billy Kidman. He said that he would never lay down for a “Beanpole” like Kidman, who couldnt draw flies. He thought it was horrible

On the subject of Goldberg’s rise, Orndorff said that he never saw someone get over as quickly as Goldberg. He then says that Goldberg shouldnt have jobbed to Nash and should have threatened to go to the WWF and feud with Austin. He said that it would have drawn a ton.

About the younger wrestlers showing respect, Orndorff said 95% of the guys were very respectful towards him. He says that you have a few guys who think they are something when they are not, hinting that Kidman was one of them, who show up to the airports looking like a slob and cannot get recognized, despite being pushed on TV.

He denied that Vince ever contacted him about an office position. He said that he liked to train and knows talent. Orndorff claims he can tell in five minutes if someone has talent.

When asked about how he got involved with the WCW Power Plant, Orndorff said he was approached about training then came up with the idea of the Power Plant by himself. He says it was the finest place in the world then states that Sean O’Haire, Chuck Palumbo, and Johnny the Bull will all become stars, as long as they are serious and do not cop attitudes.

Still on the Power Plant, Orndorff said that you could not just show up and get trained. He said only about 5% of the tapes he received got selected. He said he gave guys between 4-6 weeks to get train before they showed up. Orndorff said that he broke in and had to go with four guys in a row for five minutes straight the very first day.

He didnt have favorite students and said that the ones who made it were good. He tried to be fair and everyone had to do the routines every day then adds that they were getting paid to train

Orndorff said that Bischoff was not involved much at all in the Power Plant. When asked about Les Thatcher, he calls him an “ambulance chaser” and has no respect for him as he went on TV and told everyone how easy it is to wrestle.

He never thought Paul Wight (Big Show) would be anything as he has no heart. He calls him a “fat basketball player” and would never be as good as Andre the Giant.

On Vince Russo, Orndorff said that he was just about shock TV and that didnt work with Turner due to them being a family station.

He is asked about the “Old Age Outlaws” gimmick. Orndorff said that he got good crowd responses.

Orndorff said that he does not like women in the business, especially when they beat men. He also doesnt like fat women.

When asked who ruined WCW, Orndorff said that they were just about competing with the WWF and didnt pay attention to their own product. He said that they should have spent time focusing on their own product.

Orndorff liked to work with athletes but hated going against guy just coasting for a payday or the old-timers who wouldnt do anything. He said a fan can easily tell who is just going through the motion in the ring

He is asked how to change the business. Orndorff said to go back to basics. He then says that they need to go back to recruiting athletes.

Orndorff is asked to rate himself as a worker. He says that he was athletic, had a great body, and was a badass. He then tells Feinstein to look up his matches and say who was better than him.

On giving advice to younger wrestlers, Orndorff said you have to work constantly but the problem is that there are not many places to do that.

He talks about his surgeries and is fearful on what will happen with his next surgery

Orndorff hopes that some young guys can come up today and bring back wrestling to what it was in the 1980’s. He also says that Vince is smart and will turn things around.

He is asked about having any regrets. He said that he has a lot due to him basically being a jerk when he was wrestling . Today, he claims that he has mellowed out and enjoys spending time with his grandchildren.

He still keeps in touch with Curt Hennig, Rick Steiner, and Steve Austin but doesnt follows the current product.

When asked where he sees himself in ten years, he says that he now commits hmself to the lord. He says that he was not a nice guy back then. he no longer hates anyone either and sees himself working with kids. He seems sincere when discussing this issue.

Final Thoughts: This interview went on for way too long. They should have shaved off the last half hour or so as it just went nowhere. Feinstein’s questions near the end were redundant and he really had no idea to conduct an interview. He can only stick to his script of questions. Orndorff seemed like a straight shooter but he frequently stated how he didnt really hang around a lot of the guys in the locker room and mostly took care of himself yet Feinstein continued to ask him questions about that. Orndorff came off as bitter during the end but I have seen much worse from others in that regard. Also, he just might be his own biggest fan. He is also another wrestler that found the lord after admitting that he was a prick. I wouldnt really recommend this interview unless you are a diehard Orndorff fan.

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A Promo of the Day: “We’re Just Talking About Video Games”

24th October 2013 by Scott Keith

I might have thrown this one up before, don’t remember. Punk and Austin trying to hype up WWE ’13. Austin channels his 1996-early 1997 persona by just being miserable and annoyed the whole time. Ross plays his role perfectly, being somewhat of a passive aggressive instigator. Was it just about the video game or were these guys possibly planting the seeds for something bigger that didn’t come to fruition? Either way everyone seemed to be in good form here although I almost forgot the calm, babyface version of Punk.

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The Coliseum Video Rant: Andre The Giant

22nd October 2013 by Scott Keith

The Coliseum Video Rant – Andre The Giant I’ve decided that I kinda like the single-show format for these, so that’s what I’m gonna go with from now on. Saves me having to come up with goofy subtitles, too. I think the point of this tape is pretty self-evident.

Hosted by Lord Alfred Hayes, who relates a story about meeting 17 year old Andre in Europe in the 60s. Andre the Giant v. Moondog Rex From the Spectrum, and shot on what appears to be 16MM film rather than videotape. Andre takes Rex down with a headlock and whips him around the ring like a child, then finishes with a big boot and splash at 1:50. Clearly Andre was not paid by the hour. Andre beating the shit out of dudes is always great. 1 for 1. Battle Royale! This is from Jersey and the Murdoch/Adonis team would place this around late 84. We’ve got Slaughter, Adonis, Murdoch, Studd, Andre, Pat Patterson, Hulk Hogan, Paul Orndorff, Tiger Chung Lee, Iron Sheik, Mil Mascaras, Tito Santana, Jimmy Snuka and a few others that flew by too fast. There’s some giant star power in this one. Usual messy schmoz and after a couple of dead weights are tossed, Sheik eliminates Slaughter to trigger a brawl between them. Murdoch tosses Snuka off-camera and an annoyed Andre starts tossing guys, although the camera misses most of them. Three heels team up and get rid of Hogan, triggering a pretty good Hogan-Studd brawl that would appear to foreshadow the next show. Finally it’s a weird final four, with Andre, Murdoch, Adonis and generic Russian Alexis Smirnoff. The three heels team up on Andre, but he gets annoyed again and everyone goes flying to give Andre the win after a trademark Adonis corner flip at 11:05. Eh, it’s a battle royale. 1 for 2. Andre the Giant v. Giant Goliath & Black Gordman These two goofs are not as fearsome as their names would indicate. No idea where or when it’s from, but it looks old. There’s a false front row set up to sell the gimmick that Andre throws his opponents into the front row too often, and thus no one is allowed to sit there. So I guess someone’s constantly getting thrown into 75% of the seats in arenas that TNA runs, and that’s why no one is allowed to sit in THOSE seats. Makes sense. To demonstrate this, Andre throws one of the poor geeks in the front row, before they actually manage the miracle of taking him down! Andre even sells a couple of punches and one of the dweebs gets a foreign object and works Andre over with that, but Andre manhandles them like they’re toys and sits on them for the pin at 6:52. 1 for 3. Andre the Giant v. Jack Evans, Johnny Rodz & Joe Butcher Nova As Alfred notes, this is a bit more of a fair fight. Andre does some of the same spots as he did with the other two jobbers before, and fights off several dogpile attempts, and again Andre piles all three guys up and pins them at 3:20. I liked this one a bit more because the 3-on-1 deal was more of a spectacle and it was much more to the point. 2 for 4. Boxing Match: Andre the Giant v. Gorilla Monsoon This is from the famous Puerto Rico show where a rainstorm pounded the ring all show. Terrible “match” with Andre finishing him with a KO at 5:00. 2 for 5. Andre the Giant & Jimmy Snuka v. The Wild Samoans Snuka quickly gets caught in the Samoan corner and he’s so baffled by Afa trying to explain if and how they’re related that he gets beat on without any defense. And that shit just goes ON and ON. Finally even Andre is bored of waiting around and Snuka takes the hint and makes the hot tag. The crowd goes APESHIT and Andre destroys the Samoans and headbutts the shit out of poor Sika, allowing Snuka to climb onto Andre’s shoulders and finish with the Superfly splash at 9:00. The heat segment was dull as dishwater but the finish was MOLTEN. 3 for 6. The Masked Superstar v. Andre The Giant This was Bill Eadie’s last MSG appearance before making his return as Demolition Ax a couple of years later, and I believe this is from the undercard of one of the MTV shows. Andre overpowers him and tosses him around the ring, but Superstar manages to take him down and put him in the cobra clutch. Andre pulls at the mask to force a break, and sits on him to finish at 7:00. Meh. 3 for 7. Big John Studd & Ken Patera v. SD Jones & Andre the Giant From WWF TV in early 85. Jones does OK against Patera for a bit, but gets caught in the corner and whipped like the proverbial government mule. Patera dumps Jones and Andre just decides to come in and exact some vigilante justice, but the heels manage to double-team him until the ref calls for the DQ at 4:00. And with Andre down, they CUT HIS HAIR and Vince declares that they’re RAPING HIS DIGNITY. Fans are so pissed off that they’re throwing trash into the ring and everything. Classic stuff. 4 for 8. Andre appears on TNT with Vince to discuss his impending Wrestlemania match with Studd. And they throw to… Andre the Giant v. Ken Patera From MSG, as Andre’s revenge tour begins. Andre quite thoroughly beats on Patera and steps on him, then takes him to the floor and whips him into the railing to boot. This prompts Bobby to come in and attack Andre with brass knuckles, drawing the DQ. Andre calmly continues kicking both of their asses and lays an EPIC beating on Bobby. Heenan’s sell of Andre slapping him around should be taught in classrooms. Not exciting, but it was total destruction by Andre from start to finish as the heels got everything that was coming to them. I can’t imagine fans not getting their money’s worth out of this one. 5 for 9. Bodyslam Challenge: Andre the Giant v. Big John Studd From Wrestlemania, of course, with Studd putting up $15,000 against Andre’s career. We’ve covered this one enough, it’s terrible, we all know it. Andre of course slams Studd and throws the gimmicked money bag into the crowd. 5 for 10. The Pulse At .500 it’s right at the cutoff for a recommendation, although way too much time is taken up by the two handicap matches. It’s Andre, you know what you’re getting anyway. Next time: Best of the WWF Volume 2!

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The Coliseum Video Rant 1A

17th October 2013 by Scott Keith

The Coliseum Video Rant 1A: Into Dorkness Jesse Baker writes: “please do a review of the first WWE coliseum home video if only for completion sake” How could I have guessed that he’d be the one with the OCD reaction to me skipping it? So here’s the first ever Coliseum Video in a special single tape edition! Wrestling’s Bloopers, Bleeps & Bodyslams! Hosted by Gorilla Monsoon. Did you know that WWF superstars can LITERALLY fly in and out of the squared circle? This is an 80 minute collection of clips rather than matches. – Andre the Giant humiliates Don Muraco during a 10-man tag match. 0 for 1. – Freddie Blassie gives advice to the lovelorn on TNT. Funny for a little bit but runs way too long. 0 for 2. – Iron Mike Sharpe squashes some dude, who loses his toupee during the match! That’s a funny bit. 1 for 3. – Tiger Chung Lee tries to break bricks on TNT, without much success. Vince McMahon is nearly cracking up watching him fail. 2 for 4. – Lou Albano has a soundbite on TNT. 2 for 5. – Tony Atlas and Paul Orndorff have a posedown at what appears to be the nightclub from the intros of Seinfeld. Atlas wins the popular vote and Orndorff attacks him. Dunno if this went anywhere. 2 for 6. – Iron Sheik introduces Vince McMahon to his camel. Sheik is actually trying to focus the interview on Sgt. Slaughter and Vince keeps trying to crack him up and throw him off by insulting the camel. 3 for 7. – Vince interviews Kamala and Fred Blassie on TNT, and Kamala tries to eat a live chicken. 3 for 8. – MIDGET MADNESS with the Haiti Kid. 3 for 9. – Ivan Putski teaches Vince how to polka. 3 for 10. – Hulk Hogan’s PYTHON POWDER. This of course is the greatest segment on any wrestling tape, ever. 4 for 11. – Lou Albano gives advice to the lovelorn on TNT. Lou complains about people who don’t use deodorant and are fat. Albano improvising and getting more and more worked up is funny stuff. 5 for 12. – The Samoans give a cooking demonstration on TNT, which Lord Alfred describes as “smelling worse than the bubonic plague.” Oh, that wacky racism. 5 for 13. – Rocky Johnson & Tony Atlas win the tag titles from the Samoans when Lou Albano accidentally breaks a chair over Afa’s head. Then on TNT, Lou Albano denies all responsibility and throws his team under the bus. Now that’s a heel. 6 for 14. – Sal Bellomo makes pizza for Vince and Alfred. This gets a point for Vince making a joke about Alfred’s cocaine use. 7 for 15. – Adrian Adonis and Dick Murdoch take Mean Gene on a tour of the mean streets of New York. Okerlund and Adonis basically just riff and interact with various weirdos they meet along the way. Mean Gene stiffing the hot dog vendor because he’s too cheap is just tremendous. 8 for 16. – Johnny V gives his advice for the lovelorn on TNT. His gag is that he misses the obvious sexual overtones of the letters, and it’s not that funny. 8 for 17. – Andre sings the Fish Song on TNT and cracks everyone up. Gotta love him. 9 for 18. – Cyndi Lauper appears on Piper’s Pit and Lou Albano interrupts. 9 for 19. – Butcher Vachon gets married on TNT, and we get a wacky array of terrible wedding gifts at the reception. Blassie buys them glasses so his wife can inspect the tiny cheap diamonds on the ring. Ha! George Steele gives a toast while the heel managers egg him on and everyone seems to be legitimately pounding back the sauce. You can see Sika sitting in the background and just losing it every time some crazy thing happens or Lou Albano says something stupid. Even Jesse Ventura breaks up after Albano randomly comes by and burps into Vince’s microphone. Dr. D, drunk and pissed off at Vince, shoves the cake into the bride’s face, triggering a food fight to Vince’s horror. But then he goes ahead and throws a pie at George Steele anyway. It was lacking a snake in the wedding gifts and thus can’t be the greatest wrestling wedding reception in history, but it was damn close. Well worth looking up on YouTube and it basically saved the tape. Anyone know who the girl with the wrestling mask was? Albano and Steele tear her shirt off at the end before she’s hustled off to the side by the producers. 10 for 20. The Pulse Pretty middling stuff most of the way, but that wedding reception was one of the craziest things you’ll see from the 80s and ran for about 15 minutes on its own. And with a .500 record, that makes this one a thumbs up.

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Cucch’s Random Nitro Video of the Night

16th October 2013 by Scott Keith

Honestly, 1999 was not really a banner year to be a wrestling fan (in ring…not talking about ratings…WWF was on FIRE that year with, as some wise man would say, the Russofication) but I was still watching most of it. So how come someone sends me this video and it was like seeing something for the first time? Goldberg? Herschel Walker? JCVD? CHUCK NORRIS? WHY DO I NOT REMEMBER THIS?

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The Coliseum Video Rant RETURNS

10th October 2013 by Scott Keith

The Coliseum Video Rant 2.0 – 10.10.13 Much like Star Trek, I’m rebooting the franchise. Thanks to YouTube, I can start from the beginning of the series and probably lose interest after the second one. I’m skipping WF01 because it’s a compilation of skits called “Bloopers Bleeps and Bodyslams” and doesn’t really fit the series, but here’s WF02 (Hulkamania) and WF03 (The Best of the WWF Volume 1). As always, a point for stuff that works in any way, and no points if it doesn’t.   Tape #1: Hulkamania!   Hosted by Vince McMahon, from HOME VIDEO CONTROL, still doing his Howard Cosell cadence. He gives us highlights of the tape, which I don’t really like because I preferred the “What’s coming next?” surprises of the tapes. WWF World title: Hulk Hogan v. Greg Valentine From the Spectrum in August 84, featuring Hulk’s NWA National title variation on the belt. The Philly crowd is just JACKED for Hogan. Hogan quickly slugs Valentine into a Flair Flop and this is unfortunately edited, as we cut to the heat segment on Hogan. Valentine works on the knee with an indian deathlock and rams a chair into it, but Hulk does a primitive version of the Hulk Up and hits him with the axe bomber. Suplex from the apron and Hulk adds an atomic drop, as his comeback goes much longer than it would in later years. Valentine catches him with his head down and drops elbows, and we’re clipped again to another heat segment on Hogan. Hammer goes up and gets slammed off, but Hulk’s knee gives out and Greg goes back to work on it. Hulk escapes the figure-four, drops the leg, and we’re done at 8:29. Good start to the tape. 1 for 1. $15,000 Bodyslam Challenge: Hulk Hogan v. Big John Studd This is also a title match, but if Hogan slams him, he gets the money as well. EVERYTHING’S COMING UP HOGAN. From December 84 in New Jersey. The egregious music editing during the intros would seem to indicate that “Eye of the Tiger” was still Hulk’s theme. Welcome to 1984: Some dude in the front row has a Kodak 110 camera with about 18 flash cubes stacked on top. Good times. They fight over the slam and Hulk slugs away and hits the big boot, but can’t get the slam. Clothesline and another try, but Studd clubbers his way out of it. Hulk keeps coming with the corner clothesline and ALMOST gets it, but Studd grabs the ropes and they brawl outside. So Hulk starts bleeding and Studd beats on him outside, and then back in for LUCHA STUDD off the top with the CLUBBING FOREARM OF DEATH. Back elbow gets two. Studd slams him and sadly can’t collect $15,000 off it. Back to the floor as Studd keeps beating on him, but Hulk makes the comeback and slams Studd out there. Gorilla notes it wasn’t in the ring, so he doesn’t get the money, but the match is over at 8:00 for some other reason, which turns out to be Studd getting counted out. How do you book a screwjob in a bodyslam challenge? 1 for 2. Hulk Hogan makes his PYTHON POWDER SMOOTHIE for Vince and Lord Alfred on TNT. OH MY FUCKING GOD, why didn’t someone show this to the feds before they started prosecuting?!? Hogan adding the “magic powder” to make them stronger should have locked both guys up for 20 years. And then he pulls out a BAGGIE filled with packages of PILLS! Hulk notes that he eats one of these pills every day and doesn’t need any other painkillers, and if you’re looking small in the gym, they’ll help you get bigger. The secret ingredient: Kryptonite. Is that the street name, I wonder? BEST SEGMENT EVER. 2 for 3. WWF World title: Hulk Hogan v. Dr. D David Schultz From Minneapolis, sometime in 1984 you’d presume as a giant “Fuck you” to Verne Gagne, and Hulk has the rare powder blue tights. Schultz lays him out and chokes him down with his headband, which gets two. Dr. D pounds away in the corner and Hulk bails to the floor, where D adds a chairshot that busts Hulk open. Back in, Schultz drops the flying elbow, but he chooses not to cover, and that gives Hulk time make the comeback. Axe bomber and an elbowdrop gets two, but Hulk picks him up and decides to beat the shit out of him some more. Legdrop gets two, but he wants more. So they head to the floor and Hogan, SPORTSMAN OF THE YEAR, runs the already beaten Schultz into the post to bust him open. BE A STAR, jerk. Back in with Schultz making a comeback and going up, but the flying elbow misses this time. Hulk levels him with a lariat to finish at 9:00. Schultz lays him out and steals the WWF title, and that of course is the only thing Hulk cares about, so he takes it back and chases him off. Does petty revenge make you feel better, Hulk? This all set up the super-duper-rare Hulk Hogan & John Stossell v. Dr. D & Richard Belzer tag match that I don’t think has ever been featured on DVD yet. I think Hogan won that one with a facelock. 3 for 4. WWF World title, cage match: Hulk Hogan v. Big John Studd Back to April 84 now for some reason, even though the dubbed Gorilla commentary tries to sell it as the rematch from earlier in the tape. Hulk still has the ugly green belt here that he originally won from Shieky baby. Studd quickly drops an elbow and tries to walk out, but it turns out that it’s just VERY edited because Hulk is bleeding all over the place and we’re obviously late into the match. Cut to double juice and Studd dropping the clubbing forearm off the middle rope. They fight at the door and Hulk keeps him from leaving, and they slug it out. Studd goes down and Hulk drops the leg, but can’t crawl out the door. So Hulk kicks Studd in the face and crawls out on his belly like the coward he is at 5:48. 3 for 5. Meanwhile, Vince McMahon interviews Hulk about how he got into the sport and he manages to lie about EVERYTHING even in this short bit. 3 for 6. WWF World title: Iron Sheik v. Hulk Hogan And of course we finish with this one, which we’ve covered a million times, as Hogan wins in 5:00 with the legdrop and kicks off four years of our national nightmare. 4 for 7, since it changed the course of history and all. This one barely passes, but the Python Powder segment is a must-watch, especially if you’re a federal agent looking for evidence against Hogan and Vince. Tape #2: The Best of the WWF Volume 1 Hosted by Vince McMahon. Hulk Hogan & Andre the Giant v. Big John Studd, Adrian Adonis & Dick Murdoch From New Jersey in 1984, and this is quite the tag match. Adonis and Murdoch were the tag champions at this point and I’m not even sure what the setup for this would be. Adonis starts on Hogan’s arm and gets caught in the babyface corner, but Hulk gets double-teamed in return. We’re clipped to Studd and Andre, and then over to Hulk beating on Adonis. Andre REALLY beats on him as Adonis bumps all over the ring, and then Andre traps all three heels in the corner and beats on them at the same time! Finally Andre puts his head down and Studd puts him down, and Andre is YOUR giant-in-peril. Murdoch goes up with a knee from the top and pounds away, then uses the tag rope to choke Andre down. Murdoch slugs away, but Andre chokes him right back and brings Hogan in to clean house. Murdoch catches him with an elbow and we’re clipped to Adonis dropping knees on Hogan and Studd holding a facelock. Hogan fights out and it’s hot tag Andre, as kicks everyone’s ass. The heels all bail and Studd runs for the dressing room while the tag champs double-team Hogan and get nowhere. Hogan no-sells Murdoch’s punches and Andre sits on him to finish at 9:29. Murdoch and Adonis as diabolical heels is always fun, and Andre kicking the crap out of people will never ever get old. 1 for 1. WWF Women’s title: The Fabulous Moolah v. Wendi Richter This would be from the Bout To Knock The Other Guy Out, of course. Moolah attacks and chases Richter to the floor, and we’re clipped to Moolah getting the heat on Wendi. This was a pretty short match and even then they had to edit it down to something watchable. Richter ties her up in the ropes and we’re clipped again to Cyndi Lauper getting a cheapshot on Moolah. Richter gets a dropkick for two and a suplex for two, and we’re clipped again to Moolah hitting a backdrop for two. Clipped again to Moolah rolling her up for the apparent pin, but Richter gets the shoulder up and wins the title at 4:00 aired. Terrible on every level. 1 for 2. Gorilla Monsoon v. Baron Mikel Scicluna This is famous for other reasons, as Muhammad Ali is at ringside watching. The Baron attacks and gets nowhere, as a chop from Gorilla puts him on the floor, prompting Ali to get all riled up and throw challenges at Monsoon. So he comes into the ring and wants a boxing match, but Gorilla grabs him in an airplane spin to send him fleeing. This sets up the famous promo from Gorilla, where he declares that Ali “doesn’t know a wristlock from a wristwatch”. Crazy stuff. Can you imagine Floyd Mayweather or Anderson Silva going on national TV and being made to look like a fool now? 2 for 3. Jimmy Snuka v. Bobby Bass Another TV match, as Snuka squashes this guy and finishes with the Superfly splash. 2 for 4. Piper’s Pit with Jimmy Snuka. Piper’s racism aside, this remains a classic. Best moment: After calling Snuka a “monkey who lives in the trees” and pelting him with bananas, Snuka asks “Are you making fun of me?” No wonder Piper cracked him on the head with the coconut. 3 for 5. Rowdy Roddy Piper v. Jimmy Snuka So yeah, this one tore up the house show circuit for a while. Snuka of course attacks him right away as Piper bumps all over, but a poke to the eyes turns the tide. Snuka fights back with a sleeper and Piper takes him to the floor to break, so Snuka RAMS him into the post. Piper is crazy to take the bump so hard. Back in, Piper is bleeding and Snuka goes nuts with rage. He goes up to finish, but Piper trips him up and he bumps to the floor for a countout at 5:51. 4 for 6. WWF Junior Heavyweight title: The Cobra v. Black Tiger The title is being held in abeyance at this point. Black Tiger is Mark Rocco, not Eddie Guerrero, of course. Cobra puts him down with a spinkick and a gut wrench suplex for two, and they have a stalemate. Cobra pounds the back and hits a gutbuster into a Boston crab, and then hooks Tiger with a bow and arrow. Clipped to Cobra dropkicking the Tiger out of the ring and then slamming him back into the ring, but Tiger comes back via the magic of editing with a clothesline for two. Clipped again to Cobra hitting a leg lariat for two and dropkicking Tiger out of the ring, then following a SUICIDE DIVE. In 1984! Black Tiger comes back in with a floatover suplex for two and a TOMBSTONE for two! Another one is reversed by Cobra and he goes up with a top rope senton to finish at 7:00. Holy cow, what a finish! The title went back to Japan with Cobra and never returned that I know of. 5 for 7. Hulk Hogan arrives at Mean Gene’s house to train him for their tag match, and Gene is smoking a cigar while drinking coffee and eating a pancake breakfast. They go on a run and Gene tries to stop for a beer and sausage, to no avail. Gene’s commitment to the gag earns a point by itself. I nearly deduct the point for the visual of Gene carrying Hogan on his back while grunting in pain, but I’m nothing if not generous. 6 for 8. Hulk Hogan & Mean Gene Okerlund v. Mr. Fuji & George Steele We’ve covered this one a bunch as well, and it’s a famously silly match from Minneapolis with Hogan beating both heels by himself and putting Gene on top of Fuji for the pin. Just harmless fun. 6 for 9. Bruno Sammartino v. Larry Zbyszko This would be the complete opposite of harmless fun, as this is a “scientific exhibition” between teacher and student that kicked off a violent feud. They fight over a waistlock and Bruno gets the best of that, but Larry gets a hiptoss for two. Bruno takes him down with a drop toehold and Larry is getting flustered and slams Bruno for two. Bruno slams him right back and Larry’s rage is building. He tries the abdominal stretch and Bruno quickly throws him away. Larry with another slam for two and he goes to a half-crab, but Bruno escapes that as well. Criss cross and Bruno hiptosses him, and now Larry gets so worked up that he walks right into a bearhug. Bruno quickly breaks out of sportsmanship, which only makes it worse. Larry bumps to the floor and Bruno holds the ropes open, so Larry BLINDSIDES him and absolutely destroys him to take out his frustrations. This results in a DQ at 9:24, and Bruno eats a chairshot and bleeds all over. What a great storyline and payoff. And Zbyszko STILL won’t shut up about it to this day. 7 for 10. Cage match: Bruno Sammartino v. Larry Zbyszko So we finish the tape with this classic from Shea Stadium. Bruno attacks and chokes him out in the corner to start, then sends him into the cage all over the place and rakes his face into it. Larry goes low and stomps him down, but can’t make it out of the cage, so he rams Bruno into it a few times and tries to climb out. Bruno yanks him down and they slug it out, which goes Bruno’s way. He rams Larry into the cage, but he tries to climb out again and Bruno slams him off the top again. Larry eats the cage a few more times and Bruno chokes him out in the corner, but Larry slugs him down and pounds away in the corner. Larry manages to tear open a gash in Bruno’s arm and he tries to walk out, but Bruno yanks him back in again and sends him into the cage. Into the post and Larry does the obligatory blade, so Bruno sends him into the cage a few more times to really give the fans their money’s worth. He kicks Larry in the head one more time, wipes his sweat onto him, and then walks out to win. Just a total fight from start to finish. 8 for 11. Hell of a collection here. The Pulse I’d give both a pretty solid recommendation, actually. The later Hogan tapes would get pretty insufferable once it turned into the “Hogan v. big fat heel” formula over and over, but this was a nice mixture of stuff, as was the Best of the WWF debut.

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RF Video Shoot Interview with Rene Dupree

10th October 2013 by Scott Keith

This interview was filmed in December of 2012. It is an hour and a half long

The
interview starts with Dupree being asked about his earliest memories of
wrestling. His father, Emile Dupree, was the promoter of the Maritimes
promotion in Canada. He said he was going to shows for as long as he could
remember. He also remembered as a kid, guys like Harley Race and Dynamite Kid
at his house drinking with his dad.

 
He is asked
how old he was when he met the Dynamite Kid. Dupree said it after his WWF run
in the late 80’s.
 
He would
travel with his dad in an RV. They had two, one for the heels and another one
for the faces. They would travel with the heels and he said back then, the fans
were really into it and would throw stuff at their RV when they left. They ran
four provinces, New Brusnwick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, and Eastern
Quebec.
 
When asked
what age his dad smartened him up to the business, he said when he was
thirteen, he spent the whole Summer setting up the ring and traveling with his
dad, Bad News Brown and Rip Rogers. He would be quiet and soak up all their
knowledge
 
He said that
Bad News was cranky most of the time. He then tells a story of being at a show
and a little kid pushed him in the ass and Bad News took his head up against
the wall and told him to keep his hands to himself. Rene also said that he
would sleep most of the day and spend most of the night bashing Vince McMahon.
 
He said that
Rip Rogers would always drink milk and kept himself in shape. He also said that
he always read the dirt-sheets, which he refers to as the “stooge reports.”
Rene said
that he wanted to be a wrestler as soon as he saw Masahiro Chono work. He was
wowed by his springboard back elbow smash.
 
He started
training with weights at age 11. He then said that his dad taught him how to
give a bodyslam.
 
He then
started to train as a wrestler and had his first match at age 14. He didn’t use
a ring but it was a canvas on top of carpets on the grass. He said that his dad
was stiff during training but you knew how to sell as a result. He then says
that you learn the most in front of people.
 
The
territory ran seven nights a week and they would work twice a night. They were
seasonal and went from May to September.
 
His first
match was against a guy named Wildman Williams, someone is dad trained a year
prior.
 
He said he
never wanted to quit because he loved it too much. He would go to school,
workout for a bit, go to a van and do homework then get home around 11 and go
to school the next day.
 
When asked
if kids knew about his dad, they said not really and that hockey was the
biggest thing in Canada.
 
He said that
no one took liberties with him in the ring but then says he never had friends
either. He said that he was 14 and most of the guys were in their 20’s and 30’s
then said that being a promoter’s son was another reason.
 
Rene said he
learned a ton from the Cuban Assassin. Rene said veterans like that are missing
in wrestling today. He said that he accidentally stiffed him once but he still
worked every night. He tagged with Leo Burke a few times and said that
everything he did meant something.
 
He said that
the promotion did a decent business. He said that in the 1970’s, his dad worked
with the Poffo’s and said his dad was Lanny’s best man at his wedding.
 
When asked
about Dynamite Kid’s behaviors, Rene said that he was nice to him and once gave
him his ring jacket. He also said that at times he would scream out loud during
the van rides but he wasn’t allowed in the locker room at that time.
 
Rene said that
every season he would fight for his dad to keep running. His dad wasn’t making
any money and that the glory days of territories were over.
 
When asked
how he wound up with the WWE, Rene said that his dad received a call from Carl
DeMarco, who was in the WWE, and asked him to train Rodney Blackbeard and Glenn
Kulka. Rene said they looked like a million bucks but couldn’t work. His dad
then said when Rene turned 18, they would give him a look. Rene said when he
was 18, he was a bodybuilding champion and they sent some tapes but nothing
happened out of that. After that, his dad talked with Lanny Poffo, who was
friends with Molly Holly, and said he was worthwhile, to let him know. They
liked the tape and gave it to Johnny Ace and he got invited to a tryout camp.
 
Rene is
asked about his memories of OVW. He said that he liked it there. He got called
up after 10 months. Rip Rogers was there and Rene said Rip told him he would be
dead before he turned 35, because he was ripped to shreds. Rene was asked if he
was all gassed up and he said that he was but felt that he had to. Rene  said no one told him too but thinks that
might he part of the reason that he got hired in the first place.
 
Some of the
guys in OW with him were Charlie Haas, Lance Cade, Seven, Tyson Tomko, Matt
Morgan, Nick Dinsmore, Rob Conway, and the Bashams. He was asked if Cena was
there and said he just got called up but did work a few matches with him when
Cena was using his “Mr. P.” gimmick. Dupree likes Cena and refers to him as an “All-American
Boy” and thinks that is part of the reason why Vince pushes him.
 
He is asked
about Nova. Rene said that he liked him a lot but became a dick once he became
in charge of Developmental.  
 
He is asked
about Lance Cade. Rene said he misses him but Cade loved the business and just
got caught up. They were teaming up in OVW and got put together with Kenny
Bolin. They worked a few dark matches and thinks that they were originally
going to be brought up as a tag-team. They worked against the APA while in OVW.
 
Rene is
asked about Bradshaw and if he was a bully. Rene said that he was an asshole.
He recalls doing an interview in Japan an few years back and how he was
miserable the last three years of the company because of him. He said that Bradshaw
would call him a “French Faggot” every day in the locker room when he was on
Smackdown. He was asked if he ever went to the office and he said no. Rene said
he was quiet and shy and that may have come across as being arrogant. He also
just turned 21 before going over.
 
He was asked
about Tommy Dreamer. He said that he was depressed and told Rene once that he
hated the company because they took all of his passion away, something Rene
felt a few years later. Rene thought he didn’t like him but Rob said that he
does, because they are friends and asked about him before the interview. Rene
said that once during a match against Dreamer, he got sarcastically thanked by
him about that being a highlight of his career. Rene then said he is a natural
heel, but doesnt mean to come across that way. He said he will order food,
noting how he eats a ton of egg whites and for his steak to be steamed and that
waitresses will start crying and he has no idea what he did.
 
He is asked
about Jim Cornette in OVW. He tells a story of how he once called him for
advice and he didn’t answer. Cornette called him back and they spoke for a
half-hour but Cornette had no idea he was using a Canadian phone and when he
got his phone bill, it was a $185. Rene said that he paid the bill for him. He
liked Cornette.
 
Rene is
asked about Sylvain Grenier. He first met him in a tryout Camp. He then says
how he is from the Maritimes and Grenier from Montreal and they speak French differently.
He said that his French was more of a Cajun style and that Grenier could not
understand him. He then said that most from Montreal would look down upon him
when he spoke. Rene said Sylvain was cocky but okay then says he was extremely lucky
as he met Pat Patterson on a golf course and his first three matches were at
WWE house shows, went to OVW for a week and got called up for the La Resistance
gimmick. Rene said that Sylvain was not a fan of wrestling and that his dad
spoke to him about wrestling and he did not do anything. Rene then adds how he hasn’t
watched wrestling for a few years but from what he hears, 75% of the roster did
not grow up as fans either.
 
Rene tells a
story of how he was overseas during a tour, he ended up oversleeping after a
night of partying with two German girls. The hotel concierge woke him up and informed
in that he missed the bus. Apparently, Johnny Ace asked Grenier where his
partner was and he told Johnny that sometimes, wrestlers take pills. Rene does
a pretty funny Johnny Ace impersonation.
 
He is now
asked about the rumors of Pat Patterson and Sylvain Grenier and their relationship
outside of the ring. Rene said that he doesn’t believe that one bit.
 
When asked
about Chris Kanyon, Rene said that he was a good guy who gave him a lot in his
matches. He said that he had no idea he was gay but it wouldn’t have mattered
anyway.
 
Rene is now
asked about his RAW debut when La Resistance attacked Scott Steiner. He said
that was how to get a new team over. He liked Scott the tells a story during
their first PPV match. Rene said that if you go to Steinermania on YouTube, you
can hear Steiner say “fuck off” and that was to him. During the match, the
referee told Steiner a bunch of times that he had to go to the heat but he ignored
him and when Rene said it that was when he yelled then he shook him off. He
said during that same match, Test slapped him in the ear and he couldn’t hear
for a few days.
 
He liked
working against RVD & Kane. He said that they had a three minute match at a
PPV against them but the following night, worked the main event on RAW. Rene said
that it was really cool working the main event on RAW at age 19. He was also
the youngest WWE wrestler to ever hold a title. He said that RVD knocked him
out once with a kick and that he was backstage in the training room and would
introduce himself to everyone who went by and shake their hand except for Chris
Nowinski.
 
Rene was
asked if he was for Rob Conway joining the group. He said he was cool with it
and didn’t really give a shit either way. He said that he was ambitious at the
time where Sylvain was laid back. He then said that Sylvain went off the road
with a neck injury and he joked that he teamed with Rob, usually on job duty.
 
When asked
about Vince McMahon, he said that he would give him dirty looks. He also notes that
Vince has an aura about him and doesn’t know if it because of the protein diet because
HHH has the same aura about him. He then tells a story about when he main
evented RAW that Vince approached him and said that Sylvain was a bit different
and that he would be here for the long run.
 
He is asked
if Bubba Ray Dudley was an asshole. Rene said not with him and said that Bubba
has a good mind for the business and would be a great agent someday.
 
He liked
Rosey a lot but thought Shane was just okay. He said that Shane always tried to
get in his moves, which Rene didn’t mind if it happened at house shows but on
TV, he just wanted to do what the office wanted. I have watched a few shoot interviews
that have basically said the same thing about Helms too.
 
He is asked
about working against Booker T & RVD. It took a minute for Rene to remember
that he teaming with Kenzo Suzuki against RVD and Rey Mysterio. Rene said that Kenzo
is hilarious and that they met up in Japan recently and gave each other a hug
in the locker room and the other Japanese wrestlers looked confused because
they do not watch the WWE and had no idea they teamed together.
 
He is asked
about Shane McMahon. Rene said that Shane gave him the Van Terminator once and
asked him after the match if he got stiffed and when Rene said no, Shane looked
sad. Rene thinks that Shane might be Bipolar, because he was either really high
or really low regarding his mood.
 
At first,
Chris Jericho did not like him because he believed Rene’s dad did not use him
after sending in tapes. Rene said that his dad didn’t run at the time and after
that, he was okay with him.
 
Back to
being a promoter’s kid, Rene said a few people gave him shit for that and when
he worked for his dad, he was making $200 a week while everyone else was
getting $500, which is the same as WWE Developmental.
 
Rene said
that Mark Jindrak was a pussy magnet and for that reason, would like to hang
around with him. He also said that Jindrak was a funny guy too.
 
He is asked
about being for or against the move to Smackdown. Rene said he didn’t care
either way. His first match was against Billy Kidman and Rey Mysterio put it
over backstage. Rene liked Rey, calling him a positive person.
 
On
Smackdown, he traveled with Paul London then with Carlito. After that, he rode
with Bob Holly, Billy Gunn, and Jamie Noble.
 
Rene is
asked about London being out of his mind near the end of his WWE run. Rene said
that he was always that way but when he did drugs, he just didn’t care. Rene
considers Paul his one friend in wrestling. He said that when Paul opened up to
him on the road, he knew he was out there but that was why he liked him.
 
He is asked
about the Café de Rene segments. He said it was something different to use
while he feuded with Cena. He was asked if he saw potential in Cena and recalls
that he was at a bar in Canada watching Cena vs. Kurt Angle and knew he would
be a star.
 
He is asked
about winning the tag belts from RVD and Rey Mysterio. Rene said at that time,
he was sick of taking steroids and stopped then lost some weight. He said that
Michael Hayes approached him frantically backstage if he lost weight and Rene
told him that he switched to an all fish diet. He then said he went to Pat Patterson
and told him he didn’t want to take them anymore. Rene said that you are
supposed to kayfabe people backstage about taking roids.
 
Rene flat
out admits that he is a drug addict, noting that he has been to rehab three
times but did enjoy taking steroids, stating they made him feel good but at the
time, he got sick of taking them.
 
Rene said that
when Eddie Guerrero died, he took all of the roids and HGH he had that he
tossed away. He then said that he gave away some of it to other guys but
refused to give any names. He said that the cried a lot when Eddie died but couldn’t
go to the funeral because he went to one in his life and couldn’t handle it. He
then claims to have spent a $2,500 on a flower arrangement from his entire
family. He said that he related to Eddie as their dads were both promoters.
 
He is asked
about the Afghanistan tour. He said that he had a broken nose and he got food
poisoning then got heat from the office for not singing Christmas Carol’s.
 
He was asked
about his angle with the Undertaker when he got sacrificed. Rene said it was a
childhood dream to work with him. Rene said when he was a kid, he would have the
other kids on the playground hit him in the jaw as hard as they could so he
could use his no-sell gimmick. Rene is asked if he was the locker room leader
and he confirmed that. Rene also said that some of the guys tested him once and
Rene found all of his clothes in the shower soaking wet. He said this was when the
dress code first stated and he went out and bought expensive clothes and most
of them got ruined. He is asked if he knew who did it and Rene was told by
someone that it was Billy Gunn but doesn’t know for sure.
 
He thought
Spike Dudley was cool but had a bit of a drinking problem and thinks that might
be why he got fired. He said that Paul London was supposed to have a match
against him once and went up to the office and said he couldn’t have a match
with him as he was drunk.
 
Rene is
asked about when he got taken off the road, he started to experience a ton of
anxiety as a lot of guys were getting released and was afraid he was next. He said
that he started to smoke a ton of weed and adds that he has an addictive
personality.
 
He is asked
about drugs and Rene said that first time he ever got fucked up on somas was
with Bob Holly. He had taken them a few times in the past but never experienced
the “soma coma.” He was in a hotel in Seattle and said Bob offered him some
somas when he complained of back pain. Rene asked him how much he should take
and Bob said he took five so Rene took that much and woke up hours later and
saw Bob and Luther Reigns standing around then went to his room. He said that after
the soma’s he didn’t want to ride with Bob anymore as he knew he got easily get
addicted due to his addictive personality. He said that Bob got mad at him for
not wanting to ride and word got to the office that he had a pill problem. Rene
said that Bob was known for “stoogeing off” guys to the office. Rene then said
Bob would asks guys for gimmicks then go report them to the office. He said
that he did that to Heidenreich, Jindrak, and Reigns. Others such as Nova, Heidenreich, and Ken Kennedy have also accused Bob of the same thing. After that, he talked
with Vince McMahon, who told Rene that there wasn’t a drug that he hadn’t tried
and sometimes to have to raise some hell
 
Rene then
talks about his incident with Bob Holly. He said that he got a parking ticket
after being at the gym then panicked as he didn’t know what to do and that they
were fining guys who were arriving late. He also had no idea what to do when he
got a ticket so asked the hairdresser what to do and she told him to throw it
away and he did. What a dumb fuck, it tells you what to do on the back of the
ticket if you don’t have a clue. Anyway, a few months later at the airport in
Dallas, Bob was out of his mind and screaming and swearing, with kids and
families also around, that he got a ticket and had to pay $800. Rene said he
told Bob he would pay for the ticket but doesn’t think that Bob heard him. They
had a match shortly after that when Bob gave him a black eye. Rene said that in
the match, Bob put him in a front facelock then lit him up with a few punches. Rene
went to the floor then Bob hit him from behind in the head with a chair then
started to kick him repeatedly and told Rene not to fuck with him again. Rene
said he got right up and went to the finish then told Finlay, who was the
agent, to change the fucking match then outran Holly to the locker room. Holly
got a few more shots from behind before Kurt Angle broke things up.
 
Rene is
asked about his new look, when he wore black trunks and had a goatee. He said
he wanted to stand out with a different look. He mostly wrestled on Velocity.
 
He came back
to RAW and wrestled against Val Venis. Rene said that the match was supposed to
highlight him but it was 50/50. Rene said that over time, he learned that you
half to be more selfish to get yourself over. He puts over Val for being a good
worker.
 
He calls
Matt Striker a sweet-talker, noting how he would always talk up people and get
stuff like free tanning sessions and lotions. He loved Tajiri and remembers a
match they had in Nashville in which Tajiri put over Rene for being just as
good as HHH.
 
Rene is
asked about Shawn Michaels. He said that he once asked Shawn his opinion of a
match against Tajiri. Shawn told Rene that sometimes, you shouldn’t bump for
certain people. He then said that Shawn was a good person to go to for advice
and could tell if you had a lot of passion.
He said he
suffered a hernia when he went to slam Mordecai and he dead-weighted him. After
he recovered, he went to OVW to train.
 
Back to Rene’s
addcition problems, he said that the first time he took a pain pill was when he
trained in HWA. He was wrestling against Brian Kendrick and took a Slaughter bump
in the corner but forgot to cover his mouth and lost some teeth. They gave him
a script for Vicodin but he didn’t feel any pain. He tried it anyway and said
it felt nice then took the bottle to the apartments with the other wrestlers
and they all surrounded him like little dogs. That was when he realized the
power those drugs had on people. He then said that after the incident in the
match with Bob, he got a script for Vicodin with five refills.
 
Rene said
that being a wrestler in the United States is very easy for getting scripts for
painkillers. He said in Canada, it is tough, but in the U.S., you just give the
doctor “the tape” and he will put you on all sorts of stuff. He got scripts for
Vicodin and Somas. After that, he got hooked on Somas.
 
He is asked
if drugs effected his career. Rene said you cannot think clearly on drugs.
 
He was asked
about his older brother Jeff trying to break into the business. Rene said that
he tried but that the business is rough and can really fuck you up. He didn’t want
to seem to talk about this at all but luckily for him, Rob Feinstein was
conducting the interview and only sticks to his script of questions.
 
Rene was
asked about working for the ECW brand. They bring up the vignettes in which he
looked at his physique in the mirror. He said he just did what he was told and didn’t
care where he worked as he just wanted to make money. He then adds that he made
no money working that brand.
 
Rene liked
Balls Mahoney and called him a good worker but noted that his hygiene wasn’t always
the best.
 
He said that
he and Sylvain were supposed to win the ECW tag belts and they had a debut
match but at that point, his drug problem was out of control and got fucked up
on somas. At that point, he found a dealer who sold him Somas. During the
match, his balls actually fell out of his tights. He said that Sylvain got the
tights made but they were too small for him. He said that Nova called him up
and called him a stupid motherfucker. He then said he did not get fired over
this. He then called up the office and said he had a problem. They sent him to
a rehab in Tennessee but he got kicked out for having a bad attitude. Rene said
it was a spiritual rehab and he did not want that, saying it was for hippies.
He wanted to go to a rehab in Atlanta where Eddie Guerrero and William Regal
went and stayed there for three months.
 
After
getting out of rehab, the Chris Benoit tragedy happened. He said he wasn’t really
close with him then offers his opinion on what happened. Rene said that they
found wine bottles and multiple drugs, including Xanax in his system. Rene said
from his own experience, you black out from taking Xanax with alcohol. He
believes that Benoit got into a fight with his wife and notes how his
testosterone levels were ten times higher than normal due to steroids and when
you add up all those factors, including the fact that his wife was filing for
divorce, they got into a fight and Benoit killed her then woke up the next day,
realized what happened then gave his kid a Xanax, noting how there was Xanax in
his kid’s system, then choked him to death before killing himself. Rene also
adds that the timeline of the deaths took place over a couple of days.
 
Rene is
asked about the WWE wellness policy. He said that it is great and that no
matter what they think, they influence all of wrestling because it is the only
place that makes money.
 
He is then
asked about growth hormone, Rene said that it is a big problem but they will
not test for it in WWE because it is too expensive.
 
He was asked
about Lance Cade’s death. He found out after his wife called him when he landed
in the airport. He said that he cried the entire time.
 
When he went
to Japan, he said that he was drunk every day. He then notes that he has been
clean for six months. He then brings up an interview he did that he trashed
everyone while he was all messed up on Xanax and Halcyons. Rene said what’s
done is done and has moved on.
 
Rene is
asked about going down to FCW after rehab. He said the facility was in a
warehouse with two rings. He notes that they were stacks of canned goods in the
corner. He notes guys like Harry Smith, Tyson Kidd, Natalya, and Teddy Hart
were down there.
 
He said that
he first met Teddy when he was 17. Teddy told him about the MatRats promotion
and they flew Rene in for a match. Eric Bischoff was there as was Jason Hervey
and Teddy picked him up at the airport in a banged-up Acura then asked him if
he smoked pot. Rene said that Teddy smokes way too much pot and that is what
holds him back, as it messes you up.  He
also believes deep down that Teddy has a good heart.
 
Rene said he
was miserable at the time. He said that having people dying and others messing
with his stuff made him feel that way. He also said that someone stuck is
French flag in the toilet. He called Johnny Ace and asked him for his release.
Johnny gave him a week to decide and Rene said that he wanted to go to Japan.
Johnny said that they would look to bring him back in a year or two.
 
Rene went to
Japan and loved it, noting how he got a tattoo of the country on his chest. He
teamed with Scott Norton for a bit. He then said the style his really stiff but
he didn’t want to take pain pills, noting how the pain pills in Japan are weak.
He is asked about drug problems and said that they just drink like fish.
 
He said he
liked Randy Orton but was pissed when he asked him to see his dad, who wanted
to show him some old pictures. He said that Orton apologized to him later on.
 
He said he
got along okay with HHH and Stephanie. He is asked if HHH was one of the boys
and Rene said that HHH had few friends in the locker room but noted how many in
his position don’t have friends.
 
Rene is
asked about CM Punk. He said that he was Paul Heyman’s boy and how they tried
forever to get him over. He tells a story of when Punk debuted on ECW, Rene
watched from the arena and noticed the chants for Punk then noticed a few guys
come out from each side of the arena wearing “ECW” shirts chanting for Punk for
a minute, then they removed their shirts and left. Rene noted that Heyman was
known for putting “plants” in the audience. He said that when he was in OVW
recovering, Heyman would take all of the students and sit in front of the hard
camera then tell them how to react to the wrestlers, while all of the fans
would sit on the sides, away from the camera. Heyman would also open the doors
20 minutes late on Wednesdays, when the WWE agents would come down to scout, so
that they would see a huge line of fans when they arrived. Rene said that
Heyman was a master at perception.
 
He liked
Steve Austin and said that he once called him up on Christmas break and he was
drunk. Rene said that his friends were around and that it was a mark-out moment
for him. Rene went to talk to him about it afterwards but Austin said he didn’t
know what he was talking about.
 
He is asked
about working a show for Dragon Gate in Mexico. He said he did a few spots with
Mistico in his match.
 
He said that
he has no hard feelings against Vince McMahon and bashed him in that infamous
interview. Rene said when he gets messed up, he starts thinking about the past
and all the bad things that have happened. He notes that when Vince took the TV
slot away from his dad, his family had a few rough years, noting how his dad
drank a lot after that.
 
He tells a
road story when he was riding with Paul London after a PPV. London was older
and rented a car, which was a shitbox Chevy Cavalier that had all of the check
engine lights on from the secondhand shop. Cena pulled up right next to them,
who Dupree wrestled at the PPV, in an SUV and looked over at them before
driving away.
 
Rene asks
about the independents in the states and Feinstein tells him that they are
terrible. Rene is wrestling his first match in the U.S in five years. He says
that he is excited to be in the states again.
 
Rene is
asked about any regrets. He said that he is only 28 years old and has whole
career ahead of him. Feinstein then tells him that he has a copy of the Bob
Holly shoot to give him when he leaves. Rene asked if Holly bashed him and
Feinstein claims he cannot remember. He tells Rene that he has a seminar with
Bob coming up and Rene tells a story of how Bob did not know what a “one-two”
meant, which Rene says is the first thing you learn in wrestling. It is when
you hit a guy and he registers then you hit him again. Rene calls Bob a solid
WWE-style worker.
 
He finishes
by asking if he has an accent, then when told no, Rene tells HHH that he does
not need a French flag to get heat, which is what HHH told him. Feinstein tells
him that he looks like Luke Perry and that basically ends the interview.
 
Final Thoughts: I thought this was a really good interview. It would have been even better if someone other than Rob Feinstein was asking the questions. Rene had a lot of interesting stuff to talk about and gave a lot of chances for Feinstein to ask follow up questions but he instead stuck to his script of asking questions about TV matches that no one remembers. Rene would be an excellent choice for the “Breaking Kayfabe” series. I also thought this was interesting as it was clear by his actions that Rene was not mature enough to be on the road with the WWE at age 19. Also, it was clear that the Smackdown locker room was not the place for younger wrestlers either. From other interviews, the mix of angry midcard veterans and younger wrestlers was like oil and water. I wish Rene luck and he did appear sober but after watching this, there was something about him that made me think he would be dead in a few years. He seems like a depressed guy that is holding back something traumatic that happened in his past. Anyway, I recommend this shoot and I really thought his opinion of what happened with Benoit was one of the better ones I have heard from wrestlers.
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Colosseum Video best of…

10th October 2013 by Scott Keith
My favorite thing you've ever done are (is? you're the writer) the Colosseum Video rants. I'll admit, I'm as much of a * rating whore as anyone, but I loved the way you would pass or fail the match, then look at the tape as a whole like it was the back of a baseball card. Anyways, I'd love to see a quick "Best Of" list from your memories of the Colosseum tapes. 5-15 matches/skits would probably suffice, but if you (or the board) would want to compile say, a 2 disk fantasy DVD set that'd be cool too.

PS… It's a true shame that the "Sea Hawk" was never brought in to the 80's WWF fold
A lot of the cool stuff from the Coliseum vids have already ended up on DVD and WWE Classics as it is, so there's not THAT much unmined gold out there.  I think I'd like something like the "Greatest Hits" video, which was just a quickly-edited collection of oddball matches and pieces rather than any kind of definitive collection.  The main doc could be a YouTube-style edited 2 hour piece with stuff like Roddy Piper beating AJ Petrucci with one hand behind his back, Magnificent Muraco eating the hoagie while squashing some geek, Roddy Piper's trick-or-treating tips, the Fuji Vice bits, Nikolai Volkoff's "This is your life" on TNT, Ricky Steamboat fighting the ninjas, the coconut angle, etc.  Just a bunch of the stupid crazy stuff we used to love and hate simultaneously.  Second disc would be the rare dream matches like Michaels v. Dibiase from 1990, maybe a classic Harts v. Bulldogs match that they haven't put on DVD before, maybe a couple of rare Hogan title defenses like the mythical Jake Roberts match…you know, just the usual smorg of good stuff they used to pull out for these things.  I always loved the wacky and random nature of the Coliseum vids back in the day and this would be something to help recapture that.
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RF Video Shoot Interview with Vader

3rd October 2013 by Scott Keith
This was filmed on New Years Day in 1999, very shortly after Vader left the WWF.

The interview starts with Rob Feinstein on location in Colorado. The interview is actually conducted from Vader’s home. They show close-ups of all Vader’s memorabilia. The camera work is awful by the way. Speaking of awful, Vader is wearing a hat that says “Vader Time,” which looks ridiculous.

He is asked about is football career. He said that junior and senior year in high school, he was All-American and recruited by about 50 schools. He grew up in inner city Los Angeles and was attracted to Colorado for college due to the spacious setting. He was a four-year starter and drafted by the Los Angeles Rams in the 3rd round but ended rupturing his patella tendon in training camp. The Rams made the playoff that year and he was activated when the starting center got hurt and played a few snaps against the Steelers in the Super Bowl, said he has the ring.

Vader got into wrestling when his football career finished and he came back to Colorado and got his license to be a broker in Colorado. He talks about how he built and sold houses and while making good money, was getting bored and out of shape and felt that he had a lot left in his body to use.

When asked if he was a wrestling fan growing up, Vader said that he followed it a little bit. He then said that he watched Hogan as a kid, which makes no sense seeing as Vader was 28 years old when Hogan went back to the WWF in 1984.

Vader said he was up to about 380 lbs when he went back to the gym. He went with a few friends to an AWA show and left midway through, saying the match quality was poor, and went to the hotel across the street. He saw the wrestlers hanging out there and was recognized by Gene Reed as a football player, who then introduced him to Greg Gagne. Reed told Vader to come back in a few weeks and he met Brad Rheingans, who was running a wrestling camp for Verne. Vader adds that Brad was the one who created stars from that camp, not Verne.

Vader says that his real height is 6’4 ½ and in wrestling, got at low as 340 lbs and high as 440 lbs.

He remembers his first match and it was against Bruiser Brody. He says it was one of the most painful things that ever happened to him. He did say that Brody tried to teach him. He then went on to wrestle with Jerry Blackwell then Stan Hansen. He said after working with those guys, who were very stiff in the ring, went to work with other guys and hit someone so hard in a match that they rolled out of the ring and complained to one of the Gagne’s. Vader said he thought you were supposed to hit that hard, because those guys hit him like that.

Vader is asked if Brody actually broke his leg. He said it was just an angle done because he was leaving the territory and going to Europe.
He was asked about Verne Gagne. Vader said they made no money but thought Verne saw potential in him as he could do stuff like moonsaults. He said that he was fine to him.

When asked about why he left the AWA, Vader talks about the relationship between Verne Gagne and Otto Wanz. They had a partnership at the time. Vader goes off topic for a bit and forgot the question before saying that Verne told him to go over as he would learn a lot and get a lot of dates.

Vader said he started in a tent in Austria that held about 5,000 people. Vader said they made a lot as the ticket prices were high and Otto would hire vendors, probably making more selling beer and brauts.

He said that he wound up in New Japan after spending two seasons in Europe. One of the referee’s in New Japan approached him and said that Masa Saito remembered a six-man tag they had and was impressed by his power moves and wanted him to tour New Japan after finishing up with Otto in Europe. Vader said that he already had dates with Giant Baba and All Japan after he contacted Stan Hansen so he could wrestle between the tours of Europe. He said that New Japan offered a lot more than Baba. He said after speaking with his wife and just starting off in the business, he took the original offer. After that, Antonio Inoki paid a fee to Baba to get Vader for New Japan. In his first tour, he beat Inoki in four minutes.

He compares the psychology between Japan and America at the time, saying the faces in America sold a lot more than they did in Japan. He compares guys like The Rock and Stone Cold today (this was filmed in 2001) and how they have done a 180 and they are selling like the Japanese did back then and Japan faces are selling like the American’s did at that time.

He is asked if there were any problems between the top guys in Japan at the time, like Inoki, Riki Choshu, and Tatsumi Fujinami. Vader said that while guys like Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels were open with their problems, those in Japan kept it in house.

Vader said that he was blowing up guys in Japan, despite his size. He also said he was study tapes of the guys he faced and would look for things that they did well and incorporate that in the match. He is asked if that helped and he said it did.

They talk about his match against The Great Muta in the Sumo Hall. He said that this was the first time in a pro wrestling match in Japan that they threw the rose pedals on the floor after the match.

He was asked if he traveled or bonded with any of the talents. He said in WCW, he traveled with Harley Race but mostly did things by himself.

Up next is his infamous match against Stan Hansen in which his eye wound up on his cheek. Vader said that he turned right into a punch by Stan and felt his eye on his cheek, half popped out. He remembered swearing at Stan then turned his back and popped it back in place before putting him in an armbar. He said he took his mask off and the crowd popped. The camera zoomed into his eye and it showed on the screen.

He is asked about his team with Bam Bam Bigelow. Rob tells him that in Bam Bam’s shoot, he mentioned that they had a bit of a rivalry. Vader puts over Bam Bam for his agility but didn’t think they had a rivalry. He also calls Bam Bam a great partner and that they both knew the Japanese style well. He said that they wrestled the Steiner Brothers, who were nervous as they were unfamiliar with the style, and helped them through the beginning of the match and it turned out great. He also says that he wants to work with him and has talked to Paul Heyman about coming to ECW. Rob breaks to Vader that a 90% confirmed rumor has Bam Bam not being at the PPV and signing with WCW.

He said that there was no interest in them as a team in WWF or WCW as Bam Bam had heat with Vince McMahon and that Flair wouldn’t want a good act to come to WCW and overshadow him. He recalls another situation in WCW, when he was champ, he suggested that he team with Steve Austin against Flair and Arn Anderson. Vader said that Steve looked great but it was too good and Flair buried that. The other interviewer brings up how they just did a shoot with Terry Funk, who never had a bad thing to say about anyone, and even he said that it is poetic justice as now he has Hogan vetoing his stuff in WCW.

On how he wound up in WCW, he got hurt in Japan and tore his cartilage, which had also flipped and wedged itself. He wrote a letter to the promoter saying he would be able to compete in the tournament as he needed surgery. Japan pressured him to hold off and wrestle but Vader did not want to risk his career and elected to have the surgery. His contract was also up at that time and said that Jim Ross was a huge supporter of his and called him up, telling him to speak with Dusty Rhodes who was the booker and got hired.

Vader said that Dusty was the booker for all of the Executive Vice President’s until Bischoff took over. He said that he was booked to lose against Flair at the 1993 Starrcade 1993 by Bischoff to give Flair a bit rub and that Dusty told him not to job as Flair was getting old. He then said that he would put Flair over, with the interviewers calling it a great match, and that afterwards, Dusty told him he would get the belt back in a cage match before Hogan came to the company. Flair wound up getting Dusty’s job a few days later and he did not get the belt. Vader then said that as a result, Flair ended up having to job to Hogan when he came to the company.

He is asked about why he stopped using the mask in WCW. Vader there was no problem with Japan for using it in America but only for UWFI. He said that Dusty told him that it was cumbersome and to ditch it because he looked better without it.

Vader said that he had his best matches with Sting. He said that was the best point of his career as he didn’t have to deal with the political manipulation from guys like Hogan and Flair. He is then asked if there was any added pressure for working with Sting. He said they had a strong respect for each other and does not recall ever having a bad match together.

He is asked about his matches with the British Bulldog and the vignettes for Bash at the Beach. He said that filming was hot and he was on the verge of blistering and demanded to stop.

When asked about Harley in WCW, Vader said that he was still trying to wrestle then became Luger’s manager but he left and went to the WWF. He claims that Harley got hurt in a car accident and if not, would have been by his side when he worked with Flair and Hogan, helping him deal through all the politics.

Vader was asked about working with Cactus Jack when his ear got ripped off. He said that match, Jack choked himself in the ropes and was turning purple and couldnt get out so Vader had to rip him out and when that happened, Jack’s ear was partially torn. Vader said he saw blood and thought it was a perfect time to get heat and go home so he punched him and his ear fell off. The ref gave the ear to the ring announcer and they brought it backstage. He said that they all tried to talk him out of the crazy moves and at one point, he told him to shoot on him in a match. Vader said that he earned his spot in history.

Next, he is asked about Halloween Havoc against Sting. The interviewer brings up a rumor that Funk did a moonsault earlier in the card and that Vader was pissed. Vader said that he went to Dusty and was told that Terry did not plan that and Vader asked if they could avoid that in the future. His reasoning was that he was the number one guy in the company at the time and had planned that spot. He then said if Funk planned the spot, he would not have done it in his match.

He is asked about the incident between Arn Anderson and Sid Vicious in Europe. Vader blames WCW saying that they had a poorly timed schedule that had them land, wrestle, travel, the wrestle. After all that, everyone was frazzled and they were drinking beers at a table and he left. After that, Sid and Arn squared off. Vader then heard screaming in the lobby and left his room in his underwear and saw Sid walk over to him and blood was pouring out of his belly and stopped the flow by sticking his thumb in the wound. He screamed for towels and a chair and held the towel until the ambulance came. He never saw Arn though. When asked about how the rest of the boys felt, he said the net night they had a meeting and Turner had apparently thought about shutting down the tour and Dusty gave them a meeting about what happened and they moved on.

Next, he is asked about Hogan coming into WCW. Vader talks about how Hogan pinned Flair four straight times. After that, Vader said Hogan chose his friend, Brutus Beefcake as his next opponent but the matches and buyrate were horrible so he chose Vader as his next opponent. Bischoff told him that Flair was going to be his manager. Vader said that he had to go over the first time over Hogan, anyway possible to get heat. He said that he was getting cheered and Hogan was getting booed and needed to either turn heel or quit. Vader said he told Bischoff to do what was right for the company. Vader brings up how Hogan kicked out of his finisher, despite being told that would not happen. Vader said he was making about a million a year but had to give a lot of thought about sticking with the company. He said that was when he considered talking to McMahon about going to the WWF. The interviewer brings up the dirt sheet rumors of Vader supposedly going to shoot on Hogan due to being pissed. Vader said that he has accidentally hurt people but is a professional and would never do that purposely. He says that he and Hogan could have sold out football stadiums if he had beaten Hogan the first time.

He is asked about their second match, with Bruno Sammartino presenting an award in the locker room prior. He said that it was a three minute match due to Hogan’s creative control. Vader then says that he does not remember a lot about that though.

Next, he is asked about his cage match when Hogan was supposed to be left laying by him and Flair. Vader said that Hogan was known for agreeing to things then going back on that an hour before the match.

Vader is asked if the locker room was happy about Hogan coming in to WCW. He said they were about the prospect of making more money but they were all under guaranteed contracts anyway.

When asked about the prospects of WCW Nitro, Vader said that he thought they could not compete with the WWF. He did not think they could match the production. He then puts over WCW for being able to produce a good show now.

He is asked about the first show, when Lex Luger came back. He said that he was supposed to be involved in that angle. He said that he got in an altercation with Orndorff prior. He was flown to Minnesota, thinking that he would be a part of the show. After a meeting, one of the referee’s told him that Bischoff did not want him there so he hung out in Minnesota for a day then went to film a few scenes for “Baywatch.” He closes by saying that if Luger hadn’t walked out on Vince, he would have gotten that spot and he was the backup plan.

Now, he is asked about his altercation with Paul Orndorff. Vader said that he will not elaborate a lot on the situation but said that TV tapings are long and hectic. He then said that after missing a few photograph sessions, Bischoff told him that he would be fined. He was also supposed to do some pre-tapes but did not want to be fined so he went to the sessions. He said that Orndorff was not a booker but acted like that in the sessions when he was only a assistant. After a long photo session, he was in the locker room talking to Meng when Orndorff yelled at him, saying he was late and held up the crew. Vader said not to yell at him and that he was told to be at a photo shoot but Orndorff became abusive and there was no reason for that as Orndorff was not his superior and after some words he walked away. Terry Taylor walked up to him and Vader told him what happened and Taylor said he did not know that and asked him to prepare for the tapings. He said sure then Orndorff confronted him again and called him out. Vader said he was disrespectful to Orndorff after he yelled at him. Orndorff told him to hit him and Vader said he slapped him then realized it was wrong and his job was in jeopardy. He said at that time, he froze, thinking of his family and future, and Orndorff came down head-first in the hallway, nearly hitting a corner of a box. Vader then states he went over to see if he was okay and Orndorff slapped his hand away. He then said that he made the decision not to throw another punch but Orndorff came up and hit him a few times, claiming that his hands were down at the time. After that, Vader said that he grabbed him in a front facelock and claims that if he wanted to hurt him, he easily could have. He then said Orndorff was in the locker room telling people that Vader gave him a cheap shot. Vader then said that he kicked open the door of the executives office and asked Orndorff if he wanted to finish the fight, with Schiavone and Bischoff in the room. Vader said he called him out and when he finally came out he grabbed him but Meng walked by and stopped him. He claims that if Meng had known what went down, he would not have grabbed him.

He also said that before the Orndorff altercation, Bischoff told him to work “Bash at the Bach,” despite tearing his rotator cuff. He told him to get someone else as he could not do the match. He said that he would do TV for the angles but couldn’t do any matches with his injuries. He said after that, he started to drink and take pain pills more to deal with the discomfort, taking 6-8 Percocets a day and was in a wrong frame of mind to deal with things. He believes that Flair and Hogan saw this as a way to get rid of him. He ends by saying that he takes full responsibility for putting his hands on Paul but he should not have yelled at him.

Vader is then asked about the rumors of him being a locker room bully. He claims that gene Okerlund hated him and that he never got along with him at all but he saw that as an opportunity to make him look bad.

They go back to the “Rampage Tour” when he was doing some shows with the USWA that included the Undertaker. He said that it was Bischoff’s idea and thought it was good. He said hello to the Undertaker and Paul Bearer ran in and beat a few guys then left the arena and went into the car driven by Terry Taylor and left.

He was asked about returning to WCW. He said that Bischoff gave him a six month fine for slapping a guy that would have cost him around $300,000, just for slapping a guy. Vader then said he needed shoulder surgery and could not work in Japan as Bischoff suggested. At the time, he thought it was a horrible offer but looking back, didn’t think it was that bad. He brings up again how much pain he was in at the time and that it changed his personality. He also believes that if Sting, Hogan, or Flair had the same injuries as him at that time, he would be allowed to take time off and recuperate.

He was then asked how he wound up in the WWF. At the time, Vader said he was planning on building  a shopping center  (which he tells the guys that they passed it on the way here) and going to New Japan.

He signed for one match in Japan, against Inoki in the Tokyo Dome. Vader is then asked about people saying he tries harder in Japan. He said is correct in terms of the last three years as he was allowed to turn it up a notch over there. He then wants to say on record that Vince McMahon has treated him and his family with courtesy. When Ken Shamrock broke his nose in a match, the WWF offered to pay for it to get fixed and give him time off.

When he asked for his release, saying that he couldn’t do his style that got him over, he mentions a certain superstar, who after a sold out show in Nassau after tearing the house down, told him if he was ever that stiff again, he would be gone from the WWF the next day.

He talks about how they gave him a great angle to start in the WWF but that he was scheduled for shoulder surgery the next day but they went to do it anyway.

Vader then said at the time, he and Shawn Michaels were drawing good money. He said that he was getting pinned by him on the house show’s cleanly then wondered why the buyrate was bad at SummerSlam. He then said that he was blamed for that.

Vader is asked about the match and if Shawn through a tantrum during the match. Vader said that he was temperamental and if things didn’t go according to plan, he was unable to handle the situation.

Vader then adds that he was originally scheduled to beat Shawn at SummerSlam for the belt, then lose it to Bret, regain the belt from Bret then lose it to Shawn. After the buyrate tanked, they switched him out for Sid.

He then says that he got out of shape and went to a fitness center and lost 45 lbs then had a good showing at the “Final Four” match, with Vince calling him the MVP of the match.

Next, Vader is asked about assaulting the TV host in Kuwait. Originally, Vader said he was told that he was going to get the IC Title after they returned. Vader said that there was an American director and English producer, who wanted the highest rating possible. He claims that he was told to act crazy at the end and grab the host’s tie. He found out that no one told the host about this happening and after that happened, the host walked out and the next day he filed charges. That was on a Friday but there was a religious holiday that was two week long and he had to wait it out. A day and a half after the holiday, he returned home. He then admits that he was not in jail but rather a $600 a day resort that had all sorts of amenities. He believes that the WWF tried to build something up by telling the story to the press. After that happened, they made alternate plans for the belt.

He was asked about Shamrock spitting up blood during their cage match. He said he was scared and after getting powerbombed, blood was pouring out of his mouth then shoots down the “Wrestling Observer Newsletter” that it was a work.

Next, he is asked about the situation between Shawn and Bret. Vader said he tried to distance himself from that, saying they were both friends of his. He was asked what he would do if he was the booker then said he has no idea.

Vader is now asked if he was supposed to be involved in the series with Kane and the Undertaker. He said he was never told.

He said that the WWF wanted him to lose weight, and get to around 320 lbs.

When asked his thoughts on ECW, he gives credit to Paul Heyman and calls him a friend. He then says his company is making money going against WWF and WCW and looks forward to work with him but doesn’t want to be a full-time performer.

Vader is asked if there is a possible chance of him returning to WCW. He said probably not as Bischoff dislikes him. He then said that he left the WWF in good terms and could come back at some point within the year.

He then says that Rocky will be a big star as he has all the tools and cares for himself. He also puts over Ken Shamrock, Kane and Steve Austin. He also puts over guys like Edge, HHH, and Road Dogg. He closes by wishing the WWF well.


Final Thoughts: I thought this was a solid interview. If you were a fan of Vader’s work in Japan, then I would highly recommend this to you. I have seen dozens of shoot interviews though and those who talk about Vader either call him a baby and a bully. I did think that this interview did nothing to dispel those rumors. Sure, he was soft-spoken here but in regards to almost being fined $300,000 just for slapping Orndorff, I believe that he was downplaying the incident and minimizing his faults throughout the shoot. There wasn’t a whole lot about the WWF discussed here but his WCW run was interesting, especially the politics played by Hogan and Flair. It would be nice if Vader did a follow up shoot, especially after hinting that he was going to wrestle for ECW, but he never really did anything again in America wrestling after this besides a few appearances here and there.

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RF Video Shoot Interview with Bobby Heenan

26th September 2013 by Scott Keith
This interview
was filmed at some point in 2002. It lasts about an hour and forty-five minutes
long.
 

Heenan said
he got his start in wrestling by setting up the rings and carrying the jackets
in Indianapolis. When he saw matches as a kid, he was amazed by the control the
wrestlers had over the crowd. He also jokes how he wanted to be a wrestler just so
he could mess with people.
 
He started
off as a manager and at the time, he only weighed 180lbs. He said the key to
manage is to act like a wrestler and for a wrestler, it is to work like a
manager. He said that is a lost art today and that everyone wants T & A
instead of a manager.
 
He then
said that he went from manager to wrestler as he wanted to make more money. He
lists all the places that he worked as a manager and said that Paul Boesch in Houston gave the best
payouts. He calls him a good man. When asked about working for Ole Anderson in Georgia, he
said that he was horrible and had no respect for human beings.
 
He first
traveled with Blackjack Lanza, Pepper Gomez, Wilbur Snyder, and Baron Von
Raschke. He adds that he had fun but made no money. Heenan then adds that he
should have spoken up more about getting paid more.
 
When asked
who taught him to wrestle, Heenan said that Ray Stevens taught him a lot but
you mostly learn by watching. He then said how you would get better if you
wanted to be there. From that, he said that guys can work but not put asses in
seats while Hogan can put asses in seats and not a great worker. Heenan then
tells us that Gorilla Monsoon taught him that if you were in this business for
anything more than money, you were a fool.
 
Heenan is
asked about guys he worked with in the AWA. He liked the Crusher and thought he
was easy to work with. He said that Ray Stevens was hilarious outside of the
ring and that he told him to always have fun with what you do. He then tells a
story of how Stevens told him that he had his first woman at age six and when
Heenan asks him what he did, Stevens replied that he was too drunk to remember.
He liked Verne then joked about how he would make guys do horrible things like
show up on time and work. He liked Nick Bockwinkle then added that If you asked
him for the time, he would tell you how to build a watch.
 
Up next is
how Hogan was in the AWA. Heenan said that Verne wanted him to be heel and team
up with Johnny Valiant, who he calls a horrible human beign. He then says that
Valiant couldn’t get over by turning on a light. He knew Hogan would be a star
the first time he saw him in the locker room at Georgia in 1979.
 
When asked
if Verne pushed his son too hard, Heenan said that he didn’t push him enough
and joked that he should have pushed him off a cliff.
 
Heenan said
that Verne couldn’t change with the times and did not know how to go up against
Vince McMahon’s showbiz mentality and that is what killed the AWA. He said that
he left there because he knew they were going nowhere. He gives some names for
the AWA like “Alzhimer’s Wretling Association” and “All the World’s Assholes.”
He then adds that guys like Nick Gulas, Stu Hart, and Eddie Graham also
struggled to keep up with modern times.
 
He said that
he only worked a few times for Eddie Graham and said he was strict. Heenan then
claims that wrestlers are flakes because the business makes them that way. They
are not given any benefits and when they get paid, they spend freely. He also
said that wrestlers are guys who did not want regular jobs. He never worked for
Stu but thought it would be hell, due to the weather and travel. He jokes that
when you land in Canada,
they tell you to set your watch back to 1945. He adds that he likes Stu, Helen,
and Bret.
 
He is asked
how he wound up in the WWF. Heenan said that Hogan got him the job. He called
Vince and was offered three times more than what he was making in the AWA.
 
He said
that he first met Vince in Chicago.
At the time, Vince was there for the Inoki/Ali stuff and at breakfast,
approached Vince. He blew off Heenan but said that Vince was always nice to him
when he worked for the WWF.
 
Heenan is
asked about Big John Studd and Ken Patera. He said that Studd was too nice to
be in wrestling and that Patera should have been a heel his whole life, stating
that he was pampered from his days in amateur sports.
 
He is now
asked if Hogan was difficult to work with. Heenan said that Hogan never changed
and that guys did not like him because they were not able to work with him de
to the fact they would not be able to draw money with him. Heenan said that the
worst person in the world would have been working with him if they could draw.
 
When asked
about Piper, Heenan said that he always knew he would get over as he could talk
and that would get you more over than your work or physique.
 
Next,
Heenan is asked how he became a good talker. He said that he learned to talk
while shaving in the mirror. He said when you did that, you could be whatever
you want and how you saw yourself is how the crowd would see you. He then adds
how most interviewers today resort to using clichés and they cannot get over.
He finishes by saying that the wrestlers shouldn’t dress like the guys who buy
the tickets.
 
Heenan was
asked about Orndorff. He said that he was an intense guy who cared about how he
looked and was concerned about his image. He adds that Orndorff always tried to
improve and was a professional. He also said that he still speaks to him.
 
He said
that Andre the Giant hated people and was always rude when approached.
 
Heenan is
asked about kayfabe and protecting the business. He mentions that kayfabe does
not exist anymore and how when he started, they protected the business and had
the mentality they could not sell any tickets if they knew it was all fake. He
then adds that stuntmen don’t show how to perform stunts.
 
He said
that he did not like managing the Missing Link. He notes how Link once told him
to get his boarding pass for him because his character didn’t speak. Heenan
notes how he would have hated to have been an actual manager for people,
comparing it to an adult babysitter.
 
Heenan is
asked if he had other behind the scene roles. He said that he produced
interviews in the WWF. He said that most of the guys were easy to work with but
the Ultimate Warrior could not be produced. He didn’t mind when guys like Piper
and Lou Albano did their own thing. He said that Vince didn’t mind if the stars
went off and adds that you need to treat people differently to run a business.
 
Heenan said
that he got the Primetime Wrestling job when Jesse Ventura left to film the Predator.
After that, he went on to do commentary on Challenge and the Madison Square Garden
shows. He is then asked about the tension between Ventura and Hogan. Heenan
said that Ventura was jealous of Hogan because he wanted to be like his idol,
Superstar Billy Graham, but Hogan was more popular. He also said that Ventura could
talk but once the bell rang, Ventura couldn’t stay over because he was not
entertaining and never bumped.
 
Heenan
calls Gorilla Monsoon one of the best friends he ever had. He puts him over for
being kind but always honest. He then said that they never really rehearsed for
Primetime Wrestling and just winged it right before the show and whenever they
messed up, they would just laugh it off. He always looked forward to being with
him.
 
Still
speaking about Monsoon, Heenan said that he always told him that wrestling was
entertainment. He then said how he loved the “Brain” gimmick as if he screwed
up it didn’t matter as he was expected to be stupid. He then says how guys care
too much about their image nowadays.
 
When asked
about the Terry Taylor/Brooklyn Brawler feud, he said it was an embarrassment.
Heenan said that Taylor was never going to be a top guy and Lombardi could not
brawl. Heenan then makes a comparison between a limo and a cab driver by
stating the only difference between the two is that the limo driver wears a
suit. He then briefly mentions how Taylor was a liar to him in WCW.
 
He said
that the Andre haircut angle was the one that stuck out the most and jokes that
Studd had the hair for so long that it started to turn gray. He then tells a
story when he as flying with Andre, who liked to have a few drinks in the
morning. He was approached by the stewardess when he was struggling to lift the
arms of the seat and asked for a screwdriver. After fifteen minutes, she came
back with an actual screwdriver instead of the drink. Andre then asked her what
she would have brought him if he asked for a bloody mary.
 
Up next is
how the “Bobby Heenan Show” came about. He said that it was Vince’s idea. The WWF
had a contract with USA for two hours of wrestling and cut Primetime Wrestling
to an hour-and-a-half to make room for the show but USA didn’t consider the
show wrestling and it was scrapped after four episodes. As far as the show, he
said it was hard to time laughs without an audience. He also like Jameson and
said that Vince picked him out.
 
Heenan said
that Rick Rude was hard to manage because he thought he could get over on his
own. Rude thought Heenan was trying to steal his heat.
 
He tells
another story about Andre. When he was working with the Ultimate Warrior, Andre
was getting upset because he didn’t like to be clotheslined and wanted to time
when he leaned on the ropes and that was hard to do with the Warrior, who would
run at him full speed ahead. One night, Andre put up his hand and stopped
Warrior in his tracks as he attempted a clothesline. The next night, after Warrior
clotheslined Andre the way he wanted to, Andre leaned over to Heenan and said
that he was learning. Heenan said that if Andre didn’t like you, he would try
to ruin your matches. He would mess with the Iron Sheik and Heenan said that
Andre hated him because Sheik would take advantage of the jobbers. Heenan said that
most of the jobbers were awful wrestlers but they also had full-time jobs and
basically just wrestled on the weekends. He then says he always wondered why
they would give them spots, knowing that they couldn’t work a lick.
 
He loved
managing Flair, calling him a fun guy to be around. He also loved Curt Hennig.
 
Heenan said
that he stopped managing because his neck was acting up and when he was doing
commentary, he didn’t get touched by the wrestlers. For that reason, he liked
commentary better than managing.
 
His
favorites in the ring to work with were Pepper Gomez, Red Bastein, High Flyers,
and Mad Dog Vachon. His least favorite was Warrior because he had no respect
for wrestlers.
 
Next, he is
asked about the WWF Sex Scandal. Heenan said that no one in the locker room
cared and compares it to people in the music business finding out that
musicians smoke dope.
 
He is asked
about several other workers. He liked Haku and called him the toughest man he
had ever met. He liked the British Bulldogs and said that they were one of the
best tag-teams of all-time and did stuff that other teams could not do. He didn’t
spend a lot of time with Randy Savage and Elizabeth so did not say much other
than he thought Elizabeth was nice and that he managed Randy’s dad in the 1960’s.
He calls Jake Roberts and Ted Dibiase the best on interviews. He then said that
Jake had a lot of mental problems. He liked the Brainbusters but said Tully had
a personality problem.
 
Heenan said
that he never read or watched a wrestling book or movie. He thinks that people
are out to knock them and said he can make a fool out of himself.
 
He left the
WWF on good terms but was tired of the traveling and wanted to take a year off.
WCW then made him an offer an it would put him closer to his daughter in
Alabama.
 
In WCW, he
was started on the Sunday night show then moved to Saturday Night once Jesse
quit. He said that Bischoff was a used car salesman who got into wrestling. He
compares Bischoff to Walmart and Vince to Neiman Marcus. He then adds that the
decision to beat Goldberg is what killed wrestling. He brings up the difference
between WCW and WWF when telling a story of how Mark McGwire wanted to meet
Goldberg. McGwire and Goldberg were at the park and McGwire rubbed his bat on
Goldberg’s chest and went on to hit 70 home runs that year. Heenan said that
WCW did not send anyone in to film that where Vince would have had a camera
crew and produced multiple pieces.
 
When asked
about the incident at the Clash of the Champions between him and Brian Pillman,
Heenan thought it was a fan that grabbed him at first. He said that you watch
the monitors during the show and was worried about his neck when he was
grabbed.
 
Heenan said
that no one knew what they were doing in WCW. He said that Tony Schiavone was
the worst because he hated the fans and the wrestlers. He also knew all the
finishes and angles but would not disclose them to him or Tenay, because he
thought that knowledge was power.
 
Heenan said
he liked when Vince changed the concept of RAW. He then said that guys would
leave the room to get a beer during squash matches and would wait for the
interviews. He thought it made for better television. Heenan also adds that
there are too many PPV’s and that the TV is just as good as them so why pay for
something you can see on TV.
 
He then
says that he never looked at fans as “marks” because those guys made them money
and allowed them to feed their families. He then makes a joke about relatives
saying how they are like fish in that after a few days, they start to stink.
 
Back to
Monsoon, Heenan said he kept in touch with him until the day he died. He
recalls the day of his last WWF appearance when he got tossed out of the
building on RAW. In the hotel, Heenan had a basket of fruit in his room and
asked Gorilla to come meet him and they met in the hallway and he said they
cried for an hour.
 
Back to
WCW, Heenan said he was constantly disrespected. One time, he came up with an
idea and proposed it to Bischoff and was told that he was just an announcer and
that we came up with the ideas. After that, Heenan said he lost all desire and
was just there for the paycheck and nothing else. When he announced, he wouldn’t
even get the booking sheet until the third match. Heenan is asked what he would
have done to turn around WCW and he joked that he would have rolled a grenade
into the dressing room.
 
WCW asked
him to manage but he declined and he was never told who he was going to manage.
 
He said
that Scott Hall was very talented but listened to a lot of bad advice. He then
tells us that Hall hated the toothpick tossing routine but Heenan told him to
throw it into the camera and that worked. He said that Kevin Nash was big but
not special.
 
Heenan then
says that he does not take credit for getting anyone over as it would have had
to been due to the wrestler as well. He does add that the Valiant’s are the
exception to this rule, calling them useless.
 
He then
says that he would have had Goldberg go 3,000-0 then actually brings up, while
prefacing that he is not trying to be racist, how TV is mostly run by Jewish guys
and that Goldberg was Jewish and that could have worked. He then adds that they
also could have used his football background to make him a star. He also says
that if someone wasn’t selfish, WCW would still be around today and 200 people
would still be employed.
 
When asked
how he got replaced by Mark Madden, he said that he called out sick two days in
six years. This time, he had strep throat and could barely talk and called
Schiavone. When he came back, he found out that Taylor replaced him.
 
He said that
Vince Russo didn’t have a clue and was a disgrace who thought he knew how to
change things.
 
Heenan said
that if he was approached for advice by the younger wrestlers, he told them
what worked for him might not work for them but if you pretended that what you
were doing was real, it would work out.
 
Heenan said
that he found out that Vince bought WCW when someone called him. He thinks that
Vince only bought it for the tape collection.
 
When asked
who was responsible for the failure of WCW, he said that it was the guy who was
in charge, which was either Bischoff or Harvey Schiller. He said that he did
not know about locker room politics as the wrestlers had a “do not enter” sign
on the door that was guarded by Doug Dillinger, who Heenan refers to as “donuts.”
Heenan then tells us that Dillinger used to be a cop but mainly just rode the
motorcycle at funerals.
 
He is asked
about the different styles of wrestling. He said that they could have saved
money with the luchadores by having two guys and twelve different costumes. HE
then said that the garbage brawling got old quickly.
 
Heenan then
said that he never had talks with ECW. He called Vince when WCW went under and
had fun at WrestleMania but doesn’t want to work a full-time schedule on the road.
He said that he would like to do commercials and work on his book. He also does
not believe that wrestling will be around much longer because without
competition, Vince will get stagnant.
 
Back to
WrestleMania 17, Heenan said that he had a great time. He really liked the
Dudley’s, Eddie Guerrero, and Dean Malenko. He also had a great time catching
up with the Iron Sheik, Nikolai Volkoff, and Hillbilly Jim.
 
He loved
working the WOW PPV. He then said that this is all entertainment and if you
want wrestling, go watch Iowa University.
 
He talks
about Mike Tenay and jokes that he is so straight-laced that he can make coffee
nervous. He then adds how he would love to do a radio show with him.
 
When asked
about using dated references in WCW, Heenan said that at times Bischoff told
him not to say anything.
 
Heenan says
that managing made him a lot of money and he chose to “trip and distract”
rather than attend law or medical school.
 
He is asked
about his appearance on the “Arsenio Hall Show.” Heenan said that in the
dressing room, there was food and his wife wanted to take everything and he didn’t
think it was for him and told her to not take anything like the Valiant’s would
have. After the show, Heenan was hungry and he was asked if he got any food so
Arsenio sent him another basket and a doll for his daughter.  Heenan calls Arsenio a class act.
 
Now Heenan
is asked about several wrestlers. He said that Abdullah the Butcher was a fat
guy with a fork and called him useless. He calls Jerry Lawler a good hand and
said he was lucky to survive in a small territory. Heenan said that Memphis was
a place that you went when you started out or when you were finishing up. He said
that Don Muraco was a good guy and joked that he had good weed. He calls Jimmy
Valiant a pig. He also said that Mr. Fuji was a great guy and would paint your
nails or shave off your eyebrows if you went to sleep on the plane. He said
that David Schultz was a redneck before it became cool but also believes that
he thought wrestling was real.
 
He then
says that he never liked Bruiser Brody, as he was selfish. He just wanted to
stick it to the promoter and would ruin matches and destroy territories for his
own reasons while disregarding the fact that other wrestlers had to work in
those territories and could be losing a job. Heenan believes that as a main
eventer, you owe it to the rest of the card to be professional and do what is
right instead of screwing over the guys who have to come back and work the
territory.
 
He tells a
story of Owen Hart approaching him on his last night with the WWF. Owen asked
him why he was leaving and after Heenan told him, Owen said that he was going
to miss him and it would be a big loss and shook his hand. Heenan said that he
was not approached by everyone on his last day.
 
Heenan
gives his thoughts on the “Montreal Screwjob” incident and said that id he was
Bret, he would have put over Shawn because he was in this for money. He says
that double-crosses happen everywhere. He then adds how if you were offered
$1,000 a week to do jobs and $500 a week to be the champ, some guys would still
want to be the champion.
 
He squashes
the rumor that Andre was going to refuse to job to Hogan at WrestleMania III.
Heenan said that Andre knew this was his last chance for a big payday.
 
Heenan
believes that if Goldberg started off in the WWF, he would get over more than
Austin. He says that Austin swears a lot and that Goldberg was a bigger guy.
 
About his
broken neck, Heenan said that it occurred in Japan when Onita landed on his
head after a middle rope leg drop in 1983 but he didn’t get it fixed until 1995
when he went to WCW.
 
He jokes
how women are the toughest species on earth because they can bleed once a month
for a week and survive.
 
He said that
a union would never happen in wrestling because no one would trust each other
and guys would end up getting blackballed.
 
He never
had interest working for Watts as he did not want to work seven days a week.
 
He would
have liked to manage Hogan as he could have made a lot of money and he was easy
to travel with.
 
Heenan does
a Jim Barnett impression then jokes about where the pacifier went when he was a
kid.
 
He is asked
about the current stars in the WWF. He likes HHH but thinks he needs to lose
the black trunks and the water. He calls the Rock a great talker.
 
Heenan says
that he has no regrets but wihsed he would have stood up for himself and others
about getting paid better.
 
The interview
closes with Heenan saying the magic is over as everyone knows how they perform
the tricks. He says that he is writing a book and blesses the memories and the
fans.
 
 
Final Thoughts: A tremendous interview. Heenan was
insightful and hilarious the whole time. He did not hold any grudges and seemed
genuinely happy about his career. I highly recommend this interview, which was
a breeze to watch.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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RF Video Shoot Interview with Tully Blanchard

12th September 2013 by Scott Keith

This interview was filmed on October 2, 1999. It runs about two hours and fifteen minutes long


The interview starts with Tully being asked about his college career. Tully said it was a free education. He said that he was a quarterback in high school and started for three years. He said that a lot of schools in the Southwest Conference offered him scholarships and he chose Southern Methodist University. He refers to college football as a “meat market” and said you were pressured constantly. Midway through his freshman season, the coach that recruited him got fired and they ended up changing the whole offense and he didn’t get along with the new coach and was moved to fullback. He came back to school as a sophomore and was bigger than before then was switched to defensive end then primarily on the kickoff team. He says that shocked him and he ended up dropping out of school before the first game as he did not want to be a special teamer.

He went back to San Antonio to work for his dad, helping produce Southwest Championship Wrestling and to attend junior college. He said that he learned more about how to get stuff done there than in school. He also claims that he took 34 credits between a semester and a summer school semester then went on to start three years at West Texas State.
He worked for Georgia Championship Wrestling when school was out of session. He then said he took that knowledge and brought it back to Southwest Championship Wrestling. He then says how they bought a grocery store and would fill it with 400 people. He said the atmosphere was electric from the late 70’s to the early 80’s. The shows ran on USA and they did house shows all over Texas but the territory was in trouble when Watts took over Houston, which was their biggest money town.
Tully said they went broke paying wrestlers, stating that most companies paid about 30% off the gate while they paid 46%. He also claims that opening match guys were earning $900 weekly. Tully then goes on to say that he failed as he did not have a disciplined vision. He said that he and other guys had too much time to screw around and preaches that without vision, you perish. Tully said that he helped the companies reach its peak and was also responsible for the downfall.
He then says that at one point, his cocaine addiction had gotten so bad that he had to leave the promotion for a while in order to care for himself. He said that the Bushwhackers ended up taking over the booking duties. Tully said he got himself in shape but had a lot of financial problems.
He is then asked about the Von Erich’s taking over Texas. He claims that his dad’s partner from the TV station wanted them to steal money from the gate and they didn’t so he switched sides and went with Fritz. Tully then states how his parents called him recently and learned that guy was sentenced to fifteen years in prison.
Tully said at one point, the show was the highest rated program on the USA Network. He then tells a story about how at the time, they were paying $7,000 weekly for the TV slot and was figuring out a way to have it pay for itself but lacked the proper vision. He said after losing TV in San Antonio and Dallas, they had little money and could not go to the NWA as they were an outlaw promotion. Tully thought up an idea that he said was dumb. He wanted to show USA how valuable his show was to them and on one show, he put up a number on the screen for fans to call and request their favorite match but the number was for the USA switchboard and it got jammed up. He claims at that point, USA did not want them any longer and that is when Vince came in and paid USA for the slot.
He is asked his memories of Gino Hernandez. Tully said that he wanted to be like Elvis Presley and in some ways, he was. Tully puts over Gino for his talents and said he pleaded with him to go to North Carolina and quit screwing around but said that Gino wanted to hang with the gamblers and drug dealers. Tully then goes on to say how Gino owed a lot of money to gamblers and believes they might have killed him. He said that Gino always hung out with a rough crowd. I really wished they discussed Gino a lot more than they did but these interviewers just seemed in awe of Blanchard and let him preach and ramble at will.
After Southwest, he went to work for Bob Geigel in Kansas for a month and said it was brutal. It was the winter and he referred to it as Siberia. He goes on to say that the seats were empty and that a show headlined by Flair only drew $2,200.
His next stop was in St. Louis. He said that Geigel would send the undercard guys there to work so they could earn some money. He said he tore the house down with Buzz Tyler. He also goes on about how he learned a ton from working with Wahoo McDaniel and Johnny Valentine, who would critique him after his matches. Tully said to always mimic a successful guy if you wanted to get over.
Tully recalls the exact date that he started with Crockett Promotions, February 14th, 1984. He met Crockett at the Marriott in St. Louis and told him that he could make them money. They called him shortly after that and gave him a shot.
When he first arrived, he worked with Mark Youngblood and won the Mid-Atlantic Television Title. After that he worked with Ricky Steamboat at Starcade. After a while, he is able to remember how he worked with him five times before that match, including an hour long broadway the day prior.
Tully recalls how at this time, business was down and they had three bookers, one in each state (Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina) and said that Dusty asked him for advice, as he was a booker. He claims he told Dusty that you put your best guys against each other. Dusty said that Wahoo McDaniel wanted to work with him and Tully said he liked Wahoo but he only looked for himself. Tully said he learned about politics here and said that it is not like football, where the best players play. He also said that he did not want a push only because he was a booker’s kid, like Eric Gulas. He then said he told Dusty that he should face him and Wahoo and Flair should go at it and he could make  Dusty look good. He said looking back at Dusty’s career, he always devoured the heels in short matches but he got longer matches out of him and still came out as a star.
He is asked if there was a problem of Dusty booking himself as a top guy. Tully said that it’s a problem for everyone who does that.
Tully is asked how the Four Horsemen were formed. He said It was by accident. He recalls one night at the end of 1985, he was teaming with Flair and Arn in a six-man tag and said that Arn referred to them as the Horsemen, named after Notre Dame’s backfield in the 1950’s. He said it caught on in Greensboro when several college kids who started to dress like them and carry around flash cards. Tully claims that he went to Crockett in the dressing room and told him how they were really over and after that, the promotional machine began. Tully states that happens when the promotion grows organically. He then says that he never realized just how over the Horsemen were until 1994 Slamboree when he flashed the four fingers sign and it got the biggest crowd response of the night.
He speaks more of the success of the Horsemen, saying it worked as they always talked about being a Horseman and not about their opponents, saying that there is only so many ways that you can say how you will beat your opponents. Tully then said being a Horseman was a “doctorate on how to live life.” Tully said that many try to duplicate their success but it fails as they do not know how it works.  
He recalls how they tried to put them back together again in 1992. He flew to Atlanta and spoke with Ole and Dusty and was offered $500 a day. They wanted him to debut at the PPV two months away. He then said that he wrote a letter saying that he was not coming and told them not to advertise. Tully said that he bought the PPV to see what they would do and noticed how after they announced the first three guys, they announced Paul Roma as the 4th guy and how they had zero confidence. He puts over Roma for being good in the gym and said they had good matches with him and Jim Powers in the WWF.
When asked how Lex Luger came into the group, Tully said that Ole got fired for pissing off Dusty. He said that they were franchise players but not the reason for NWA going national as they already had a show on TBS.
Tully said that there was no ego problem within the group as they all knew how the business worked. He said in reality, they were not the toughest guys on the card and usually the second match guy was the toughed guy. He laughs about how his dad told him that it was show-business.
Back to the Horsemen, he said that no one objected to Luger joining the group. He then says the group became the strongest when Barry Windham joined and said that there was no telling how big the promotion could have gotten if they got behind them. He then goes on to say how they always tried to split them up and were constantly beat but the crowds still paid to see them.
Tully goes on about how he speaks in prisons today then asks the interviewers for tapes to show the wrestlers. He said that he wrote letters to his former employers but they went ignored. Tully then says that his “I Quit” match against Magnum TA at Starcade 85’ is the favorite among the inmates. Not a surprise at all.
Tully goes on about how at one point, he stopped defending wrestling years before he got out. He goes on for several minutes about how he destroyed his body for the fans entertainment. He then said he did the craziest stuff while he was high then jokes how they now call that “extreme.”
Up next is when Bill Watts sold his company to Crockett. He said that he was too caught up in his own business to pay attention. He then says that the idea was for them to be a farm system of sorts that would elevate the younger guys by working on the same card as a hot main event match.
Tully is then asked how he and Arn wound up in the WWF. He said his contract ran out in April and was one of the first yearly guaranteed contracts, along with Flair, Dusty, and Magnum. He then said how the Road Warriors came in and got $500,000 a year and then found out that Paul Ellering was making more than he and Arn. He was supposed to fly out to Dallas and negotiate but missed the plane. He then states that they never pushed to meet with him again, claiming that they knew he was faithful and would not go anywhere. During this time, Turner was attempting to buy the promotion from Crockett and everyone had to meet with a guy from Turner, who Tully said was the same who hired Jim Herd. Tully goes on to say how he was never part of the corporate world and that his main problem was that he was too honest and told this guy that the ratings were down because there comes a point where the booker cannot be the top star and that they needed to make new stars, which he said ended up getting back to Crockett and Dusty and they were upset. Tully said that Crockett called him up and said he was not loyal then Tully told him that he was in the ring 335 days a year and would cut himself frequently in his matches, thus making him extremely loyal. The following week, the travel sheet came out and he was left off the list and he asked JJ Dillon when he wanted the belts, saying that he was leaving the company. The interviewers then said how they snuck into the arena that night and taped the match.
In the WWF, he said that he and Arn were promised the belts then ended up jobbing to the Bushwhackers at house shows. Tully then said he quickly learned that Vince took talent from other companies to hurt them, not to make his own company better. Tully said he was disappointed there. He then said how it was different than the NWA as Vince called all the shots. Tully said that when they did get the belts, they ended up as the main event on the “C” shows and took those shows from losing money to becoming a money maker for the company. He also said that the politics were heavy in the WWF, with guys on the road ratting you out to the office. He then jokes about how he should have filed for discrimination, saying it was okay for you to use pills and smoke pot but not to use cocaine, referencing his failed drug test.
He said that Vince is a genius because he can take lesser talent and ability and still produce a profitable product. Tully said that while in the WWF, he worked on an open contract.
While in the WWF, Tully told Arn that Turner started to hand out big contracts. He then said how Flair used them to get a deal that was close to one million dollars a year. He then said that they (Horsemen) should have stayed as a group and negotiated in strength. Anyway, Tully told Arn that they should be able to go back and get a good contract and called Jim Barnett to send out a feeler about rejoining the Horsemen. He said that Jim Herd called and offered them each a three-year contract for $250,000 yearly. He said the following week while in Denver, they gave notice to Vince but he would not let them leave until after the Survivor Series. During that 60 day period, Tully was in Philadelphia and they had a drug test. Tully knew that he would fail for cocaine and when he did, he was suspended. He then said how they only tested for cocaine back then and the policy was a six-week suspension for your first offense. He flew back to Charlotte and thought nothing of it then on November 13, 1989 at 1:00am, Flair called Tully and told him that Herd cancelled the deal as he found out that Tully failed the drug test. Tully said at this moment, he did not know what to do as he had car payments and a certain lifestyle he lived that required money and now the two major companies both did not want him. He said it was this moment that led him to do lectures in prison today.
Tully then said how this was when Jesus took over his life, stating he heard a calm voice telling him that everything will be okay. He woke up next to his girlfriend that morning and told her that she needed to go home and took her to the airport. He wound up marrying this woman and they now have four children together. Tully said at the beginning, he was too embarrassed to go into church but needed to change his life, which is what he tells the inmates today. He also recalls at this time he only felt happy when he took drugs or drank.
Arn ended up going back to Turner but ended up losing money out of the deal as they wanted him back as part of a team with Tully. He said that Arn ended up losing about $146,000 out of the whole thing.
Tully said that when he came back to face Terry Funk in Philadelphia at Slamboree 1994, he got into shape and was looking to get a contract. He then said when he got there, he was surprised to learn that he was doing the job, claiming that he was a bigger draw that Funk in Philadelphia. He then said that Funk must have still thought he was the young boy in college in Texas. He then said he has no problems doing jobs as long as they are for a reason and didn’t want to be a job guy, saying he never was and did not need to be a wrestler that bad. When Funk found out, he was pissed as was Flair and Bischoff. Tully said that he kept on getting up from Funk’s piledrivers and flips and thought it was humorous.
Tully is then asked what makes you a success in wrestling. He said that it requires proper vision and a goal each night to steal the show. He said his goal was to make it a legitimate and energetic business.
He is asked about his matches with Shane Douglas in ECW. He said that the problem with their hour-long match was that it was only good for the first 35 minutes. He then states that people didn’t believe Shane as a heel because he was too handsome and that no one believes him as a face due to his arrogance. Tully said he only had two weeks to get into shape for this match. He then said there was no plan to start a program but just to put over Douglas. They had a second match and he said the plan was to have multiple people run in but Tully states he could put over Shane and he did and that was the end of his ECW run.
He is asked about his top three workers. Tully just says that wrestlers are not actors because if they were, the talented ones would always shine through. He then goes on to say how the successful wrestlers are the ones who are an extension of their personality. He recalls how his dad told him that he was naturally cocky and conceited. He said that is why he made for a horrible babyface and notes how Nick Bockwinkel only became successful after turning heel.
He loved the idea for the parking lot brawl with Dusty. His favorite towns were Philly, Baltimore, and Charlotte. He liked the idea of the “Great American Bash” tour was a good idea and it was successful for him financially. He said at that time, the business became “big show” oriented and it took away from the everyday house show matches. He said TV killed the house show business but that was happening a long time ago then notes how Vince said that you cannot duplicate the excitement and quickness of a TV show. He then ads how there are not enough performers today to make it exciting.
Asked who came up with Wargames. Said it could have been Dusty. Said they were long, hard matches but liked the concept, which he said is only as good as the performers and said that they could make any concept look good.
Said Baby Doll was one of a kind, claiming that he was the hottest valet ever. He then said originally looking for Sunshine to be his valet.  Took Baby Doll after he and dusty saw her wrestle. Calls it instant success and could turn her into a manager. He said that you had to keep a manager in check so the performer got over. Said the only time she did things was to hand him something.
On the subject of wrestling Tatsumi Fujinami in Japan, he said it was a one shot deal and his only time in Japan. He liked the food but didn’t go crazy as he was done with that chapter of his life.
He said that he was at an autograph signing with the original Horsemen for the first time in thirteen years last month.
He liked his matches with the Rock & Roll Express. He then says that no one could get beat up like Ricky Morton. Said it was a pleasure to hear the crowd react to those matches.
He is asked again about his top three workers in the business. Said that Wahoo McDaniel, Jose Lothario (Said he was one of the best babyfaces), were most influential. Said he had great matches with Magnum TA and Barry Windham. He calls Brad Armstrong a great worker and puts over Dusty for selling and being able to make a great comeback. He then said how he and Arn had great matches with the Road Warriors but then said there weren’t too many guys who they couldn’t have good matches with.
He tells the fans that he is going to prisons and telling them that there life can be changed through God and Jesus Christ and that is all he is about today. He goes on about the perils of the wrestling business and then about the prison system and how the prisoners have no hope in anything but if their hearts are in god, they can change their entire outlook. He closes by saying although not a star anymore, you can meet someone in a prison that he preached to and they will tell you something different.

Final Thoughts:  I thought it was a decent shoot but it didn’t really blow me away or anything. Tully had a good mind for the business but it’s evident by his stories and just by listening to him speak that he easily rubbed people the wrong way and had little awareness he was doing just that. Tully did have a lot of long pauses and did preach quite a bit and if the interviewers weren’t in such awe, they might have been able to reign in him when he went off topic. This was just as much about Tully the person as it was his wrestling career. He does not go in depth during the people he worked with and they spend little time covering his stay in the WWF. I would recommended it strongly for fans of Tully and for those who are not and a fan of shoots, I would give it a mild recommendation.

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RF Video Shoot Interview with Marty Jannetty, Volume 1

29th August 2013 by Scott Keith
This interview was filmed in 2004. It runs at three hours and forty-five minutes long.
 
 
Marty starts by stating that he accidentally wound up in
wrestling. He wrestled in high school and in junior college, where some of the
promoters used to scout guys. He said that he was not interested in pro
wrestling back then, only in NCAA and had a goal of being a champion and then
wrestle in the Olympics. Marty also adds that it wasn’t until the popularity of
Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar that promotions would start to focus on amateur
wrestlers.
 

He then said his college dropped wrestling as were most at
the time, to add women’s sports.  He then
walked on at Troy State for football. He said a promoter went to talk to him
and gave him a cash figure that he thought was decent but passed and ended up
working for North American Van Lines. After carrying furniture all day long, he
thought there was a better way to make a living. Jerry Oates from Georgia
Championship Wrestling met up with him and told him about his school then after
thinking about the prospects of driving furniture for the rest of his life, he decided
to give it a shot. Oates also had connections to Harley Race and Bob Geigel, of
Central States Wrestling

 
Marty said he was a fan of Bob Armstrong growing up then
stopped watching until Tommy Rich got popular with matches against Buzz Sawyer.
He stopped again when he got to college and was too busy training.  
 
He is then asked about training. Said Jerry had mats in the
back of a weight room . They would only practice for a few hours on Saturday’s.
He also said that there were no ropes and he is pretty sure that Oates never
cleaned the mats. Marty also mentions how hard it was getting used to bumping
when you only did it once a week. He also said that Jerry was old school,. He
only taught lockups, armdrags, slams then would ship you off somewhere else. He
adds how he learned the rest of his moves wrestling for the Central States
promotion and would go to the shows two hours early to practice and visualize
moves in the ring.
 
Marty is then asked if any veterans helped him out or held
him back. Marty adds that the was lucky that they were looking for a tag-team
to copy the Rock n Roll Express and was paired up withTommy Rogers, not the one
from the Fantastics but the one who went on to become one-half of the Rock ‘n’
Roll RPM’s. , and they were called Uptown Boys. Marty claims to have had no
idea ripping off the Express until someone showed him their picture. He puts
over the Grapplers (Len Denton & Tony Anthony) for helping him out. He also
puts over Rufus R. Jones, who told Marty that the business is all about
entertainment.  After a while, Rogers and
Buzz Tyler were shipped off to the Carolina’s and he wrestled in singles for a
bit until teaming with Bulldog Bob Brown, who has in his mid-forties.
 
Marty says that he loves Harley Race. He says that he has
seen some of the wild stories about Harley and doesn’t doubt that the others
were true. He tells his first Harley story of the shoot about how he had a
strap match against Sheik Abdullah from the Portland territory. Harley had his
family in the front row. After the match in the locker room, Marty heard a
cracking noise coming from the showers. Marty thought that Harley was attacking
the Sheik but when he went over, he saw Harley whipping himself with the strap.
Marty asked him why he was doing that and Harley’s response was that he
couldn’t go home and let his family see that he really wasn’t whipped that hard
in his match.
 
Marty was asked about the psychology in the territory. He
does confirm that less is more was stressed. He mentioned how one of the referees
told him that you could constantly punch someone and it will not mean anything
but if you wait and stall then connect with the punch, the crowd will go nuts. However,
Marty said that style could only go on for so long.
 
Marty said that he loved Geigel. He then adds that he could
cheer you up when you were feeling down and also bring you back to earth when
you were too cocky.
 
 
He is asked about Gypsy Joe. Marty said that he had good and
bad stories about him. He recalls a story of a kid he trained with, who was
about 300 lbs, that was always nervous and forgot everything he learned. His
first match was against Joe, who was known for being rough in the ring. During
the match, the kid froze after getting tackled and just sat on the mat. Joe
punted him in the face and the kid was afraid to fight back and ended up
bleeding hardway from a chairshot. After the match, Marty saw the kid crying
because he fucked up the match, not because of the pain. Marty said he was
pissed off and went to Joe after the match. Joe said that he had to teach him a
lesson.
 
Marty is asked if a veteran ever messed with him in the
ring. He said no but that Scott Hall screwed him over badly once. At the time,
Hall was teaming with Danny Spivey. Marty said that he would party hard with
Shawn Michaels and DJ Peterson at the time. He also adds that some of his
checks would be negative as a result of having to pay for hotel damages. One
night, he rented a room with DJ and they brought in a lot of girls. The next
day at the show, he was extremely hungover on the table in dressing room, which
he points out was not uncommon for him. All of a sudden, he was on the ground
and heard screaming and Hall was acting crazy before leaving. Marty ended up
with a split lip because Hall punched him repeatedly while he was sleeping. Marty
said he then took a pipe and went looking for Scott. Geigel and Bulldog Brown
grabbed him and held back before taking him to the hospital. Next night in St.
Louis, he sees Hall who asked if he wanted to go another round. Hall put arm
around Marty and said he got worked over by DJ, as he signed in the hotel under
Scotts name and got discount on the room because he was a wrestler and DJ was not
well known, but someone told him that it was Marty who signed in under Scott’s
name and destroyed room on purpose in an attempt to get him fired. Marty then
asked who told him that and he said it was Bulldog Brown.  Marty then said that he was kicking and
slamming doors looking for Brown.  Harley
saw him and pulled him aside and asked him what was wrong. He told him the
story and Harley said that he would take care of this but he never did. Marty
said that he got along okay with Hall after that but the beating he took was
hard to forget.
 
Up next is how he got to All-Japan. He said that Harley got
him there in 1985. He said that Japan was always ten years ahead of the United
States when it came to wrestling. He teamed with Harley and one of the
champions in Japan against the Funks and Giant Baba.  Marty says that in Japan, no one leads you
around in the ring and they will eat you up if you don’t try to get in any
offense.  He tells another story about
Harley, this time in Japan. He was in a restaurant with Tim Horner, Tim Brooks,
Kerry Von Erich and Harley. Inside the restaurant, they were shooting a film
and at times, they would yell to be quiet before they started shooting. One of
the big female movie starts in Japan came in and went over to their table. She
went over to Horner, Brooks, and Von Erich and knew them. She then went over to
Harley and had no clue who he was. Harley stayed silent, which is what he did
when he was mad, then told Marty that he would show her who the star was. So,
just as they are about to shoot, Harley tells him to get up and they open the
doors, where the people were screaming for Harley, who then goes over to the
female star and asked her who the star was now.  
 
Now we get to where Marty first met Shawn Michaels. He said
that Shawn came into the territory with high expectations. Terry Garvin, who
would later work for the WWF, told Marty and DJ to help him out with
rides.  Marty then approached a young kid
with his pants tucked inside his boots, who he assumed was a local jobber, and
asked him what the big deal was about Shawn Michaels and the kid replied that
he was in fact, Shawn Michaels. Marty then pokes fun at Shawn for the way he
dressed, with his pants pulled all the way up to his chest. Anyway, they became
friends and partied like crazy. One night at a TV taping, they had them team
together and they had an instant chemistry. They never tagged their again and
Shawn wound up transforming his look.
 
Marty recalls how they would party at the Marriott in St. Louis on Friday nights but Shawn was underage and couldn’t get in the bar so he
waited in the lobby where occasionally the boys would sneak him some beers.
Marty said that all the rats hung out there and says it was like shooting fish
in a barrel. He points out how he couldn’t afford a room there so would have to
borrow someone’s room key and take the girls up there.  He then said how he would be on the 12th
floor and would take the girls out on the ledge of the room and screw out
there. 
 
He left Central States after a year-and-a-half and went to
the AWA. He liked the fact that he could make more money and wrestle in bigger
cities. When asked, Marty said that he received no interest from the NWA or WWF.
Marty wanted to get DJ to go with him and eventually that happened. He then
tells a story of his last night in the territory. He and DJ were celebrating at
the Capri Lounge, which he said was always filled with rats. One side was a bar
and the other a restaurant. All of a sudden, Geigel walks by them, and asks why
they were quiet. Geigel looks over to the girls standing around silently and
says that something must be wrong then pulls up the table cloth to reveal two
girls blowing the guys. Geigel sees this then proudly proclaims that these are
his guys and tells the girls that they couldn’t learn this in four years of
college before leaving. 
 
Once in the AWA, Marty wrestled in singles for a few weeks.
He mentions how everyone else was plainly dressed  and he stuck out with his ring gear. After a
month or so, Greg Gagne pulled him aside and said they were looking for a teeny
bopper team and asked if there was anyone that he felt comfortable teaming
with. He instantly said Shawn then afterwards realized that he could have
gotten DJ in if he said his name.   
 
Marty then tells us the story that he said foreshadowed his
career. He said that the AWA would go to Las Vegas every three weeks. Shawn was
scheduled to fly in there to make his debut. Marty said that he was waiting for
Shawn with Curt Hennig, who Marty refers as the go-to guy for partying and
ribbing. Marty was playing the slot machine right next to the door. Shawn
arrived and they went to the room and showed him there new ring gear, then
Shawn wanted to go down and gamble so they went down to the casino and a lady
was playing the machine that Marty was at earlier. She leaves and Shawn sits
down then hits triple 7’s on his first pull.
 
He is then asked how the Midnight Rocker name originated.
Marty said that the name came from Curt Hennig. Verne Gagne was trying to come
up with names and suggested the American Express, which was a credit card
company, and the US Express, which was already the name of a tag-team company.
Marty then mentioned how the tapings in Vegas would end around 1030pm and their
flights would be at 7am the next day so they would just stay up all night and
party until they boarded the plane but one night they were tired after the
taping and Curt mentioned how they didn’t party until midnight and that was how
they came up with the Midnight Rockers name. They then took it to Verne, who
was worried that fans would associate them with rocking chairs but Shawn was
able to assure Verne that wouldn’t happen.
 
Marty said that the crowds were dwindling when they teamed
up, as the Freebirds and the Road Warriors recently left the territory. He said
that Verne panicked when the crowds dropped and as a result, their paycheck
dropped too. He said t was asked about Verne and if he ever told them to slow
down in the ring. He said he did not then noted how Verne ws always mean and a
complete egomaniac, calling people a “fag” if they disagreed with him but feels
a little different about him on as he realizes that he was losing his company
at the time.  
 
 
Marty is asked about Buddy Rose and Doug Somers. He loved
Buddy, who he calls a “locker-room lawyer,” a term that was given for a guy who
smartened up the young guys to the business, which angered some of the
veterans. He said that Somers got heat on him as a result. He then said how for
the most part, they all partied hard together as the company was a sinking ship
at the time. He puts over Pat Tanaka and Hennig as great ribbers. He also said
that Curt Hennig would stockpile combination locks that he would take from the
locker rooms of the schools they wrestled in and use them for pranks.
 
 
Marty then tells us a bunch of Hennig stories. The first is
about a guy Silo Sam, who was a very tall guy and at one point in a Pee-Wee
Herman movie, was in a battle royal. Well, Curt said that he had to do
something about this guy and during the match, Marty could hear him laughing as
Sam was found to be locked to the ropes and everyone was chopping him. Another
rib involved Greg Gagne , who would irritate everyone. Greg always used a
pencil to check off stuff during the interviews. Anytime he moved, they would
steal his pencil. At one point, they got a sharpener and sharpened all of his
pencils down to tiny nubs. Greg then brought up the pencil incident to his dad
during a meeting. Marty then tells another story about Curt and how one day he
came out of the bathroom laughing and told Marty to look in the toilet at the
far end of the bathroom. He looks in and sees a turd floating no top of a
picture of Nick Bockwinkel. He laughs then walks out of the stall to see Nick
standing in the bathroom asking what was so funny then looks in and commented
how that was just nasty. He then mentions how at one point Verne threatened to
shut down the territory due to all of the ribs that were taking place and at
the end of the meeting, he reached for his bag but it was locked to the desk
and he flipped out a punched a wall. Curt also pranked Bockwinkel again. It was
a snowy night in Wisconsin and Marty was driving with Curt, Shawn, and Tanaka
and they saw Nick’s car and Curt started to laugh, so they knew something was
up. They also heard noises and Curt told them to look and they saw locks
attached to the door handle and the hood ornament. They look over again and see
that Bockwinkel also had a lock attached to the middle of his glasses.
 
Up next is their bloodbath match against Rose & Somers.
Marty said that before Shawn was supposed to juice, he was scared to get the
blade out and went over to Marty after fumbling around and asked him for his
blade. Shawn eventually got it out and the match went fine. Marty is asked what
he learned from those guys and jokes about how he learned to balance the
correct amount of beer and “powder” then says that he learned about how to pace
the match. He said that the Brainbusters were the best at that but Rose &
Somers taught them first. He also mentions how the Gagne’s fucked with them by
asking them to do an angle where they were attacked in the parking lot and were
told to scrub their faces with a towel to sell the angle. They did that for an
hour and their faces were scabbed and they lasted for a while but after they
did that, the Gagne’s told them they changed their minds.
 
He is asked about a few more teams. He liked Randy Rose
& Dennis Condrey and though they were easy to work with. Marty is then
asked about Paul Heyman and said that back then he would party with them and
liked him but hated him in ECW. He talked briefly how Paul would score them
pills somehow then says that he wants to change the subject, as it is obvious
he cannot stand Heyman at all. He loved Bad Company (Pat Tanaka & Paul
Diamond)and said that they were one of the best teams they had ever wrestled,
along with the Brainbusters. He likes DDP, says that he always had women around
him and was a great talker, unlike himself. Marty said that he would even
practice talking into a tape recorder on the road and still couldn’t improve on
the stick.
 
We go on to some more rib stories. Marty tells us about how
Scott LeDuc (a former boxer) and Leon White (Vader) were arguing in the car
while he was in the middle. The next day at the airport terminal, he was with
Hennig and those guys were fighting again so in the locker room of the show,
Curt locked their bags together and they had to carry it through the airport
home and take off with boltcutters when they got back to Minneapolis. He said
that after the lock pranks, they moved on to head shaving. He recalls a story
of him, Shawn, Curt, and the Nasty Boys in an apartment. There was a Japanese
photographer there with them and he passed out so they shaved his eyebrows off
and in the process, nicked him and he drew blood. The reporter got up and looked
in the mirror and asked where his eyebrows were and Curt told him that he
didn’t bring them with him. The reporter then goes out in the parking lot and
flips out and while that happens, Curt calls the cops and says that the guy was
rolling around a parking lot with a brick in his hands screaming about Pearl
Harbor and the cops came and took him 
away.
 
Marty then tells us of a system he and Shawn developed when
they wanted to party before the bars closed. He said that if they got there
just before last call, they would order a dozen shots then leave and speed away
somewhere else to party. He said that they kept a blade in the console and if
pulled over, they would cut themselves and then tell the cop they were
wrestlers and speeding in order to get to the hospital. One time, they got
pulled over but the system backfired as the cops made them go to the hospital.
 
Before levcing the AWA, Verne lied to them about the amount
of cash they would be receiving and told them to drop the belts to Bad Company.
Verne brought a few guys in the room, including Wahoo McDaniel, in case the
Rockers were to givethem trouble. Marty said that they were partiers, not
fighters and dropped the belts and the next day, called Terry Garvin in the WWF
and got a start date.
 
Marty then tells about the Rockers first stint in the WWF.
They came to the TV tapings in New York and the rest of the locker room thought
they were punks. Vince had a meeting with the boys, which was uncommon at that
time, and stressed professionalism in the business. Later that night, Terry
Garvin told them to hang out with the guys so they didn’t think they were
pricks. So they went with Jim Powers, Davey Boy Smith, and Jimmy Jack Funk to a
bar. Jimmy kept on ragging on Shawn about how he was supposed to be a big
partier and then breaks a glass over his own head. Shawn eventually breaks a
glass over his own head and that made Jimmy happy. Anyway, when it was time to
leave,  Jimmy asked him to wait a minute
before and the girl told Marty that she could either wait or him or leave with
her so they left and drove past Jimmy in the parking lot. The next day in the
lunch line, Marty was hungover and Jimmy comes in and starts screaming how they
were telling everyone that he was just a jobber and that they were the big
stars. Everyone else stops eating and is now looking at the Rockers. Jimmy then
points to Shawn and said how he kept breaking glasses at the bar last night. They
get the booking sheets after the cafeteria incident and see that they are
working against Jimmy Jack Funk  &
Jose Estrada.  They asked the road
agents, Pedro Morales and Chief Jay Strongbow if they could change the match
but they didn’t and they ended up having a good match and afterwards, Jimmy
apologized to them. He said that Vince went up to tehm and told them not to
raise too much hell. The next day after they got home, Terry Garvin called them
and said that Vince was letting them go after tearing up the bar and causing
fights. They wanted to talk with Vince and Garvin said they could pay their own
way and fly out so they did.  Vince sees
Shawn’s snakeskin boots and joked how they were made for walking. Vicne then
brought them in and said that he was doing them a favor by letting the go as
the locker room did not want them there.
 
Seeing how they couldn’t go back to AWA, they ended up going
to Continental in Alabama. While there, Tom Prichard and Scott Armstrong told
them that they heard they broke all of the glasses at the bar and lit a fire.
He said that the story always grew about the incident and they might as well
take credit for everything they were told they did. He said that they still
managed to party hard there but one day, Shawn autographed the back of a fan’s
shirt but instead wrote “I’m a Real Big Asshole” and that fan took it to the
new owners, who Marty said didn’t know anything about wrestling and bought the
company in an attempt to make money, and they cursed them out and Bob Armstrong
told them that they were fired. They only lasted several weeks there. After
that, they went to work in Tennessee for Jerry Jarrrett and made very little
money. He tells a story of how after a night of partying with the Nasty Boys,
they climbed a fence and went to Elvis’s grave where Jerry Sags took a piss. He
also tells a story of how they got shot at once when they went to a girls house
and kept banging on the door and a man answered, who was either her father or
husband and started shooting at them.
 
They ended up back in the AWA then called Terry Garvin again
and wound up back in the WWF. When they came back, they kept to themselves,
which Marty said was a mistake as they didn’t shake any hands and as a result,
Andre the Giant hated them and he was a guy who wouldn’t change his opinion.
Since Verne owned the “Midnight Rockers” name, they had to come up with a new
name and after a night of thinking up a bunch, Vince went to them and asked
what people called them backstage and they said just the “Rockers” and Vince
said that should be their name.
 
Marty said that they were never promised a push when they
got to the WWF and was just glad to be there. He is then asked if they were
held back because of their size and he said he wasn’t sure but that Demolition
refused to job for them as did the Hart Foundation at the beginning. He loved
working with the Brainbusters and the Orient Express. He liked the Powers of
Pain and said both guys were nice. He calls his match against the Orient
Express at the 1991 Royal Rumble the best match that he ever had.
 
He is then asked if Shawn changed in beginning of their WWF
stay. Marty said yes as they always roomed together and did a ton of crazy
shit. He mentions Ted Dibiase and Jake Roberts as big partiers but they did the
most. No matter what size the town as long as there was at least one girl, they
would party and after partying all week, they would be burned out on the
weekends. He then said some of the women thought the Rocker gimmick was true
and would love to hang around them as did the guys because they knew a lot of
women would also be there.
 
Marty tells a story while in Denver. There was a girl who
was in a wheelchair that would always talk to Marty when he was in town. Marty
said that she was pretty and one day, Curt Hennig told Arty that the girl
really liked him and that he should do something for her. Marty said that Curt
tells the story the bet but one day, Marty and the girl have a conversation
away from everyone in the ballroom. AMrty said that he doed off and the girl
took advantage of him and Curt wandered in the area and could hear the wheels of
her wheelchair screeching and he turned the lights on and saw the girl blowing
him while he was passed out. Marty said that he remembers asking the girl for
her chair, which was motorized, and went down to the bar area as he propped her
against the wall. Marty remembers that  he
drove it around the bar and gave it back at the end of  the night. The next morning, Curt told Marty
that the girl wanted her autograph and Marty motioned her to come over and she
said she couldn’t as Marty drained her battery and she had to plug in her chair
so it could charge.
 
Marty also said that smaller towns did not like the boys
taking all their attention in the bars and mentions how one night, Shawn and
Dino Bravo got arrested. He left the bar and went up to his room with a girl
and received a few calls from Dino but thought he was pranking him but the
third time Dino was flipping out and saying they were arrested so Marty had to
go to the station and pick them up. He had to wait a few hours before Shawn
could be released, as he was still legally drunk, and Shawn came out and was
all busted up. Marty adds that Shawn has a tendency to mouth off when drunk,
especially when there is a bigger guy around him, like Hall or Nash. Marty was
hungover in the police station and Shawn starts yelling at him for leaving the
bar earlier and they get into a shouting match when a teacher brings their
class through the station for a tour and some of the kids recognized them as
the Rockers.  Marty says that Shawn
mouthed off to the cops and they cuffed him and kicked his ass in the cell.
 
Marty is then asked about the tension between him and Shawn.
He said that Shawn wanted to do singles, which Marty didn’t have a problem
with. He said that it started in Arizona when they were having dinner and Shawn
got off the phone with his wife and was all pissed off. Marty asked him what
was wrong and Shawn said that she went to a high school football game and Marty
snickered then Shawn threatened to kick his fucking teeth down his throat for
talking about his wife. Marty said that this was about six months before they
broke up. The next day, they were in their hotel room with Roddy Piper and some
girls. Piper kept splitting the two, constantly talking up Shawn as being a
star then telling Marty that he needed a lot of work. After a while, Marty
asked Piper to not talk business with the girls around then Shawn pushed him in
the chest for disrespecting. Marty said they fought and were on top of each
other rolling around. Marty got up and tried to leave but Shawn kept running
after him. The girls tried to break it up but Roddy told them to go away. Back
in the room, the girls cleaned all the blood off of Shawn and Marty felt bad
and went to extend his hand and say he was sorry but Shawn pushed it away and
told him to fuck himself. Marty said the cops showed up and Marty yelled at
them so they cuffed him and took them through the lobby and the passed Macho
Man Randy Savage.  Mary does a tremendous
Savage impersonation and says that he told the cops that they were wrestlers
and just working an angle, even telling the cops that the blood all over his
pants were the result of blood capsules, and he got Marty off. He then said
after that, Macho Man asked him what really happened. He said after that, he
blacked out and woke up to what he thought was the ugliest girl he had ever saw
and tried to sneak out without waking her up but found out that it was actually
Piper. He said that luckily they were both fully clothed, with Marty still
covered in blood. He went back up to his room with Shawn and packed his stuff
and told Shawn it was time to go  but
Shawn told him to fuck off and said that he quit because he couldn’t go to work
looking the way he did and he looked over and Shawn was all fucked up and Marty
felt awful. Marty truly looks on the verge of tears while telling this story so
I truly believe that he felt awful. Shawn eventually made it to the TV taping
and Vince sat them down and they made up but Marty believes that Shawn never
forgave him for that.
 
 
Marty then tells a story that Shawn did in his shoot
interview and mentions that he left out some parts on purpose. While doing a
commercial shoot for “Superstars Cereal,” they found out that they only got
$5,000 each while the other tag-teams got $10,000 each. Shawn told Marty that
they should quit and then Marty said that if Shawn really is Christian, he
would have told the whole story he is about to tell. Marty ends up calling
Vince at Shawn’s request and tells him that they are quitting. Vince tells them
to come to TV and talk about it but he said that they already talked to him a
few months prior about how they could become bigger stars. Vince said they
could leave after the Survivor Series, which was just three weeks away and that
made him happy because usually you had to give three months notice and they
would job you the entire time. He told Shawn the news and Marty said his jaw
dropped and he seemed shocked that Vince would let them quit and this confused
Marty at the time. Marty then flies home and gets a message from Vince to call
the office. He does and Vince told him that if he wants to wrestle as a single,
he doesn’t have to quit. Marty said they both made the decision then Vince
informs Marty that Shawn called him and said that it wasn’t his decision to quit
and that he was coming back. Marty said he called Shawn, who said that he was
married with house payments and could not afford to quit. At the next TV
taping, the guys got word about what happened and Wayne Bloom told Marty that
he would kick Shawn’s ass for him. Shortly after that, Vince sat them down and
said it was time for a split and Vince told Marty that they were going to turn
Shawn into a superstar but that he did not see that in him. Marty told him he
wanted a chance to prove him wrong and Vince told him he liked that
attitude.  Later that night, Marty got
depressed and drank a lot. Shortly after that, they ran the “Barber Shop”
angle, which Marty said Shawn took credit for but only remembers the window
part being his idea.
 
When asked if he had a deal with the NWA, Marty that he did
but the ydid not want Shawn as they felt he was too much trouble and he
represented the WWF.
 
Marty said that he was only supposed to be off of TV for a
few weeks after that angle but it wound up being for six months as he was under
house arrest. He said that happened as he was in Florida at a bar with a 20
year old girl.She went to the bathroom and Marty said hi to a girl that he knew
and when the underage girl came out from the bathroom, she fought her and the
cops arrived. The cops asked her for ID then after pretending to look for it,
she kicked the cop in the shin but the cop picked her up and slammed her off
the ground. The cop grabber her bt the hair and Marty got angered and took the
cop off the girl then after realizing what he had just did, put his hands over
his head while the cop called him an asshole, stating that his son had his
poster on his wall. The cops patted Marty down and pulled out a small bag of
cocaine that Marty forgot he had on him. He ended up getting arrested for
obstruction of justice and got six months of house arrest. They dropped the
possession charge against him. He said Vince called a few times to check in on
him. 
 
He said when he came back with the mirror angle, it was easy
to work with Shawn in the ring and not too difficult to work with personally.
He talks about their Royal Rumble match next. The night before in Denver, the
two had an awesome match and word got back to Vince that they would steal the
show. The night before the Rumble, Marty partied until 7am and went to the show
at noon and was completely exhausted. They were going to duplicate the match
they had in Denver but added Sherri to the mix. Marty said he blew a few spots
and afterwards, Vince called over both guys and said he was disappointed. After
that, Marty got fired after someone told Vince he was drunk in the dressing
room. Marty said that he always slept on the table in the locker room. Marty
said that that he was devastated and got fucked up for two months straight until
Hennig called him up and said that he could get him his job back. Marty thought
he was ribbing him at first but then curt told him that Shawn went to Vince and
told him that Marty was drunk and he had to lead him around for the entire
match. Meanwhile, Curt told Marty that the night before, Shawn was passed out
in his food at a restaurant after taking too many somas. Marty said that him
coming back to RAW and winning the Intercontinental Title was the result of
Shawn being punished.
 
Marty is asked if he has a relationship with Shawn now. He
said that he doesn’t and tells a story of Shawn calling him up in 1999 about a
chance to help with his TWA territory and have a possible Rocker reunion. Shawn
asked him about a price and Marty said that he would do it for whatever Shawn
wanted to give him and tells us that he didn’t want to name a price and would
have done it for free but Shawn took offense to that and told Marty if he
didn’t want to do it, then just say no and he hung up the phone.
 
Marty is asked about an Iron Sheik story. Once again, Marty
does a fantastic impression and tells a story of how he was told by Vince that
he tested positive for Cocaine. Sheik 
thought that was excellent but then was told that it meant he failed.
Sheik then unknowingly rats on Don Muraco, Jake Roberts, and JYD (who he
apparently referred to as JVD) by asking if they tested positive. Vince said no
and Sheik said that they also did it with him. H also tells a story go how
Marty was with one girl in a bar and went to go over to another one but wanted
the Shiek to keep an eye on the girl he was originally with. While he was in
the room with the second girl, the police knocked on his door and asked where
the Sheik was and he lied and said no idea. Marty then snuck out to the Sheik’s
room and saw the girl getting wheeled out on stretcher. Marty asked the Sheik
what happened and the Sheik told him that he gave her powder  to wake up and pills because she felt sick
and she kept asking for Marty but Sheik told her to fuck Marty as he gave her
stuff then hits her with a clothesline. Marty asked him why he did that and
Sheik said that she moved and she didn’t know how to work.
 
The interview closes with him plugging his new tag team with
a wrestler named “Rod the Bod” and how they wrestle as the “New Millenium
Rockers” for Capital City Wrestling in Tallahasse.
 
Final Thoughts: I
thought this was fantastic. Sure, it was mostly about great party and rib stories than
anything else and if you don’t like to hear much about those, I would still recommend this as the stuff about the Rockers splitting up is worth the price of the
interview. If true, it makes Shawn look even more like an asshole. Marty was
also his own worst enemy and I am not so sure that he realizes that. If he even
partied just half as much as he did, he could have had a longer career in the
WWF. By no means was he a saint either and they did a follow-up shoot with him
in 2009, which was awful as Marty could barely speak and seemed to be detoxing
during the interview.  After watching
this, I am now looking forward to the “Breaking Kayfabe” shoot that will be
released on him in October.  It will be interesting
to see if they reveal the reasons as to why he partied the way he did and why
he blacked out at times before fighting. That has to be the result of some sort of trauma.
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Fwd: ROH video library

29th August 2013 by Scott Keith

> With ROH possibly folding in the next couple of years, could u see Trips going after their library??

WWE will own everything available when all is said and done, so of course. The money from one DVD release that does reasonably well pays for the minimal cost of the entire library.

Speaking of DVDs, I was checking out the MSG listing, and what a huge disappointment that one is. Shawn v Razor AGAIN? Only 4 pre-Hogan matches? What nostalgic fans are buying this thing for The Hardy Boyz v The Dudley Boyz in 2000?

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RF VIdeo Face-Off Volume 16: Figure-Four and Hardcore (Ric Flair & Terry Funk)

22nd August 2013 by Scott Keith

This
interview was filmed in June 2013. The runtime is just under two hours long.

 

The
interviewer starts by asking both men how they met. Funk says that he remembers
like it was yesterday. In 1972, Flair, along with Dick Murdoch and Dusty
Rhodes, pulled up to his place in a pickup truck. Flair said that he was
thrilled to meet Funk, as he read about him. Funk said that he knew Flair would
be great. They are asked if they had any good stories about Murdoch. Funk says
that Murdoch’s dad was tough on him and would take him to the matches and make
him get him food but would not let Dick get anything for himself. He also said
that Murdoch was adopted and quit high school at age 17 to become a referee.
Funk said that Murdoch was such a good athlete that he showed up to West Texas
State and told the coach he was a linebacker, a position he never even played
in high school, and went on to eventually play for the team.
 
 
Flair is
asked of his early memories of Verne Gagne. He said that he was legit as could
be and puts over how he played in the NFL. They are then both asked about Eddie
Graham and Funk tells us that Graham never had any formal education and had
gaps in his logic as a result but had a fantastic wrestling mind. Both men
agree that he came up with the best finishes in wrestling. They tell a story of
how they were both on a plane with Dory that was flown by Graham and he
accidentally flew over the airport in Florida
as he was drunk and singing along to a country song. They are then asked what
Graham would have done if he was around in the 90’s and both men state that he
was too old-school to keep up with the times. Funk thinks that he committed
suicide because he knew that he was going to lose everything.
 
 
When asked
about what its like to be the NWA Champion, both state that it was the pinnacle
of the business. Funk notes how you had to wrestle an hour, sometimes and hour
and a half a night and there was pressure to draw more than the guy who held
the belt before you. Funk puts over the NWA committee for doing a great job
picking champions. They are then asked if your life changes after winning the
belt and they both mumble for a few minutes before Funk says that it meant you
were the number one worker in the world.
 
 
They are
then asked if they wanted to go up to New
York in the 1970’s. Flair said no but Funk did want
to go, as he was broke. At the time, he bought the Double Cross Ranch and had
$40,000 in the bank and thought he could retire off of that but it was just
about gone within six months. When asked about Vince McMahon Sr, they both
loved him too and Flair notes how Vince Sr. was actually on the NWA Board of
Directors, despite being a competitor. This then leads to a discussion about
characters with Flair stating how the characters are gone now. He said that he
was recently at RAW and he had too much energy for them. They both then mention
how the WWF never changed their names with Funk joking how he gained a brother
when he went over.
 
 
Flair is
then asked about Johnny Valentine. Flair said he liked him personally but hated
his style of wrestling, noting that he would always sit on his opponent and
nearly kill the entire territory with his matches. He also said that Valentine
never ran the ropes at all.  When asked
about the best when he broke in, Flair said Funk, Race, Murdoch, and Ray Stevens
were his favorites. He adds that Stevens was far ahead of his time. Funk said
that he liked working with Flair then adds how his wife would know when they
wrestled as he would come home with welts on his chest. Flair also says that
Wahoo McDaniel was a big influence on his career then jokes how he is two wives
behind him. Funk also talks about Wahoo and calls him a gun nut, recalling a
story of how Wahoo shot several holes into the car of a fan that was tailgating
him on his way to the arena.
 
 
Both men
then put each other over as being the one of the greatest workers. Funk said
Ric had it all, stamina, perseverance, and that he was a great talker. Flair
says that together they invented hardcore and bring up how Funk almost broke
his neck after he piledrived him through a table that didn’t break. Funk says
that “Hardcore” means you give 100% every night to the people every single
night you wrestled, no matter how big or small the crowd size. He also says
that he was never concerned about a payoff and that the performance is what
counted.
 
 
The next
topic is Dusty Rhodes. Flair says that he loved Dusty so much that he asked him
to call him “Rambling” Ricky Rhodes. He said that he had a blast in Minnesota with him and
Murdoch, as those two lived in a nice apartment with a mule that lived in the
guest bedroom. Both men do not believe that Dusty is a selfish booker. Flair
said he argued with him, like the time he wanted Flair to work the Bunkhouse
Stampede at the end of the show when he was the World Champion. When asked what
made Dusty good, Flair said he had a lot of charisma and could wrestle a
broadway while Funk says that he relied on his promos instead of his in-ring
work. Funk then says how Dusty was a great athlete and played catcher in the
minor leagues. Funk says he helped smarten Dusty to the business while Flair
jokes that he still hasn’t smartened up yet.
 
 
When
comparing the business from the 1980’s up until today, Flair says that the art
of wrestling is totally different but he still loves the product. Flair said in
one year, he worked 288 hour-long broadways then said that Funk did over 300 in
one year.
 
 
The guys
are asked about Roddy Piper. Thy both agree that he was one of the craziest
guys they had ever met. Funk tells a story of how he recently did a shoot the
same day as the company did one with Piper and they told him that Piper’s room
was a complete fucking disaster.
 
 
Up next is
their angle that had Funk put a plastic bag over Flair’s head. Funk said he
almost got arrested for attempted murder in Florida as a result. He then says that the
idea came from Gary Hart and that Jim Barnett lost his mind when it happened.
Funk was asked if he was retired at this point and he joked that his horse was
sick. It gets confusing when Funk is asked if he was ever considered for the
belt and Flair thought he was either passed over or declined while Funk
struggles to comprehend the question. Flair said that his own best tool as a
wrestler was that he could bump. He then goes on to say how they tore the house
down and Funk allowed him to use stiff chops. The interviewer brings up Ronnie
Garvin and Flair said that Garvin beat the piss out of him. Funk says how
band-aids and Neosporin were your saving grace back then.
 
 
Both guys
state how Stan Hansen was the stiffest worker. Flair brings up how he tried to
blade his forehead once but Hansen clotheslined him in the head and the blade
got stuck. Flair then says back then Japan was the stiffest and the guys
today couldn’t last there a week, adding how Jumbo Tsuruta used to drop him on
his head daily.
 
 
The next
subject is Bruiser Brody. Flair said he loved him and that he made a lot of
money. He then says that he was not stiff, just intimidating, then puts him
over for being in good condition. Both also agreed that he wouldn’t have gone
to WCW or WWF if he was alive as he was unable to follow any rules. They then
tell a story of how he dumped a handicapped kid out of his wheelchair during a
TV taping in Atlanta
and he was immediately fired afterwards by Jim Barnett.
 
 
They then
talk about putting guys over and Funk says that both he and Flair always tried
to make their opponent look good at the end of the match, even if it was an
enhancement guy. Flair said he hates the phrase “job guy” and says they are
enhancement talent who busted their ass to make other guys look good.
 
 
They are
asked if there is pressure being the NWA Champion. Flair said that the only
pressure is trying to get to bed. He said that after wrestling daily, usually
for an hour, you needed to have a cocktail. He then says how he saw Sheamus
backstage on RAW laying on the trainers table with ice packs then jokes that
DDP is still in the territory. He then says how DDP would ice himself off and
tape himself up, even when he didn’t bump and it drove him crazy. Funk thought
it was hilarious that a man would ice themselves when they didn’t bump. Ric
then talks about Bret Hart and Bob Orton, saying they were both great on
offense but rarely took bumps. He then says that he once wrestled Bret in a
dark match and that he asked Flair not to chop him hard because the match
wasn’t going to be broadcasted on TV. Flair then brings up the Miz using the
figure-four as his finisher and jokes about how no one has won with that hold
since Jack Brisco was the champion.
 
 
They are
then asked about wrestling today and when they were in their prime. Funk said
that they are drawing more today than they did so who is to say that they are
doing anything wrong. Funk then says that wrestling has involved into a
different product that is controlled by the fans. Flair adds that the guys
today live off the internet. He says that Vince controls everything backstage
and after your segment when you walk through the Gorilla position, he will
either give you a thumbs up if the segment went well or pull you aside if the
segment went bad. Flair then adds that he loves Vince, as he not only makes
money with him but also enjoys the product. He said he will not go to
“Cauliflower Alley” as he does not want to hear people bitch about the current
state of wrestling. Flair also says that the young guys in both TNA and WWE are
very respectful of him and the other wrestlers from his generations.
 
 
When asked
about which talent has what it takes to become the next star, Funk says that
Hennig’s Kid (Curtis Axel) has all the tools. They both put over Dolph Ziggler,
who Flair calls the “epitome of respect.” Funk calls both Ziggler and Axel
“money drawers.” Flair also puts over CM Punk as being respectful. They are
then asked about guys paying their dues today and Funk said that it is harder
for guys today to break into the business as they only pick out a few kids out
of thousands and there are much fewer places to break in compared to when he
first started out. He then jokes that no one has it easy besides the promoter’s
kid. Flair adds that he does not want to do a wrestling school because he will
be taking someone’s money and not being able to get them any work. He then
mentions his daughter, Ashley (Charlotte
in NXT) and thought she could make it to the main roster in a few months as she
was a great athlete. He brings up her NXT debut, which was filmed a few days
before this interview, and how after the match she started to cry in the corner
backstage and asked Ric if her deceased brother Reid saw the match. Ric said
that he broke down after that as well.
 
 
Flair talks
about Japan
and how he couldn’t wrestle over there due to his blood clot. He was supposed
to wrestle with the Great Muta against Tatsumi Fujinami and someone else. He
suggested that Reid work in his place and told them that he was an amateur
wrestler. They thought Reid wasn’t ready but Ric convinced them to let him take
his place. Ric then told his son to take down the other kid and “ride him like
he owed him money.” After that, they told Ric that Reid would need a month in
the dojo before he could go out but he was able to be on the road in five days.
Ric says that Reid was “tougher than shit” and really loved the business. He
also said that Reid was witty and brings up a time when he got into trouble and
told his dad not to worry as Blackjack wasn’t running the territory anymore.
 
 
They are
then asked if the other wrestlers treated them differently when they were the
champion. Flair said that they kissed their asses at times. Funk said that when
they were champs, they refused separate locker rooms and did not bury everyone.
He said that they understood the business and doesn’t understand why others
would look down at the talent who were enhancement talent as they wouldn’t be
where they were if not for those guys.
 
 
Both are
asked about their least favorite territory. Flair said it was Kansas City and Funk agrees with him. Flair
jokingly referred to it as Moscow
then jokes how he would only make about $900 a week there as the shows never
drew anything and how his bar tab would be that much on his first night. He
said that Bob Geigel, the promoter, would have them wrestle at fairs and in
parking lots. He recalls how one time during his match, some kid stole his robe
then ran out in the middle of the street and started to flip off people. He
brings up how Cornette had a saying about these shows that even though you
stole the show, it was only petty theft.
 
 
Now the
guys are asked if they were ever jealous of Hulk Hogan when the WWF expanded in
1984. They both said that they never thought about that. Flair said that Harley
used to call Hogan a “plastic champion” back in the NWA. Flair then adds when
Hogan got to WCW, he did not want to work with Vader or Rick Rude but Flair
would work with him. Flair then states how the worst thing you can give to a
wrestler is creative control. Funk put over Hogan for being a huge draw then
they both argue over a packet of Skoal.
 
 
Speaking of
Harley Race, Flair is asked about what would have happened if he took Vince’s
offer to not show up at the 1983 Starcade show. For those who do not know,
Vince took Harley to dinner the night before the show and tried to persuade him
to not show up for a large amount of cash. Flair said that Harley never would
have left like that.
 
 
They are
asked about the best locker room fight they saw. Only Flair answers and says
that the most ridiculous fight he saw was only for a few seconds but it was the
time Eddie Guerrero tried to take down Kurt Angle. Flair says he didn’t know
the reason but thinks it was just a case of someone trying to create animosity.
According to Kurt Angle in his shoot interview, the fight was a result of Angle
blowing up at Eddie after a few months of matches that Kurt felt he had to
completely carry by himself, unaware of his health problems.
 
 
The
interviewer then asks then about Abdullah the Butcher, specifically about Devon
Nicholson’s claims that Abby gave him Hepatitis C. Funk thinks that it is
ridiculous and if anyone had contracted Hep C from Abby, it would have been him
as he worked with him for years in Japan where they both bled buckets.
They are then asked what they think about the ban on blading and Funk says that
at one point, accidents will start to happen on purpose. Flair adds that the
sponsors the WWE are trying to attract do not want to be associated with that.
 
 
When asked
about the beginning of the end to the territories, Flair said that Jim Crockett
had as much to do with that as anyone due to the fact that he tried to take
them over by himself. He then adds how the Crocketts refuse to talk with each
other to this day.
 
 
Neither man
wants to be a booker or work as an agent. Flair said that it is a thankless
job. Funk then adds how it consumes your life and brings how up he went up to Stamford in the 1990’s
about a position as a booker but after being stuck in traffic and overwhelmed
by the area’s congestion, he said that his horse was sick and he went home.
 
 
Both men
are in favor of the recent attention to concussions with Funk adding how it is
absolutely necessary. They then ramble on for a few minutes as Flair rags on
Funk for only going out for one night with him when they met up for the first
time in four years this past WrestleMania. After that, Flair jokes about the
time Jim Herd wanted him to cut off his hair, wear an earring and call him
Spartacus.
 
 
They ramble
on for a few more minutes and I can barely understand them. The are asked about
what the tag team name would be if they ever became partners and Flair said
“Dumb & Dumber” as each man argues over who is in fact, the dumbest.
 
 
Flair talks
about is blood clot. He said he was at his doctors the same day before his son
passed away. He had no idea it was a blood clot as he felt no pain. He went to
RAW and couldn’t wear socks as his legs were swollen. He then got sent home and
went to hospital and found out that he had a blockage for months and could have
easily died. He says he can no longer wrestle as he is on Coumadin, an
anti-coagulant, but he still wants to work and has been told by HHH that he can
no longer flop around, even if he is not wrestling.
 
 
The
interview ends after a few more minutes of rambling by both men.
 
 
Final Thoughts: I really didn’t care that much for
this to be honest. Flair was fine but Funk dragged things down and added next
to nothing and the last twenty minutes should have just been cut, IMO. The
interviewer, Rob Feinstein, was much worse than usual and just stuck to his
script of questions and could not redirect anything or get the guys to
elaborate. A better interviewer could have gotten more out of Flair, who is
always willing to talk, unlike the soft-spoken Funk. You can tell that this was
filmed very early in the morning as both guys got a coffee delivery a few
minutes into the shoot and appeared half-asleep. It is also telling how both
guys essentially made fun of DDP for taking care of his body as both men are
broken down physically themselves. Both guys seemed nice enough and were
agenda-free but that is about it and if you want to see a good shoot interview
with Flair, Highspots did a three-disc shoot that is about ten hours long a few
years ago. RF Video also did a Flair shoot earlier this year that specifically
focuses on 2009-2013. I wouldn’t really recommend this to be honest, unless you
are die-hard fans of both.
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Which RF Video “Face-Off” Shoot Would you like to see Reviewed?

16th August 2013 by Scott Keith

Here are the three choices:

Ric Flair & Terry Funk
Honky Tonk Man & Raven
Matt Hardy & Shane Helms

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RF Video Shoot Interview with Bad News Allen

15th August 2013 by Scott Keith
This Interview was filmed in 2005.

The interview starts with Bad News being asked if he was a fan of wrestling growing up. He said that he was until the age of ten, when he bodyslammed his younger sister and his dad would not allow him to watch anymore.
He got into martial arts and started Judo at age 18. He was asked when he knew that he was good and Bad News said he won his first tournament is when he knew.
He was a five-time USA champ in the Pan-Am games and made the Olympic squad in 1976. He said he tried out in ’72 but ending up blowing out his knee. He said the training was difficult but he enjoyed training hard and claims he was known for that among his peers. He said that if made money in judo, he would have stayed. He then states he wrestled because of the money. 
Up next, Bad News is asked how he got into wrestling. He said when he was 33, his judo coach told him to take a year off after he didn’t get to make the Olympic trials, which he claims was due to politics. He came back the next year and his coach told him to go into wrestling, which caused Bad News to laugh as he thought wrestling was phony and a joke. His coach told him to train in Japan, where they take it seriously and he could train in the dojo.
Bad News is asked about his initial impression of Antonio Inoki. He liked him and said he was smart and could draw crowds and talk but not a great worker, comparing him to Hulk Hogan. At the time, he states that Inoki was looking for a legitimate athlete, similar to Muhammed Ali, and saw a tape of him, liking what he saw.
When asked about training, Bad News said that it was nothing compared to the Olympics. From judo, he learned how to fall properly so bumping came naturally to him. His typical day in Japan consisted of waking at 6am, running for an hour, eat breakfast then go to the dojo and do a thousand squats and jum rope before going in the ring. He is then asked if anyone tried to test him during training and he said no but a few tried during matches and they were sorry. Bad News also says that he was first to enter and the last to leave, as he was the foreigner and their guest. He said he never bitched about anything there.
He is then asked about getting Chris Benoit to Japan. He said he told Inoki to bring him in as he didn’t like how the Hart’s were treating him in Calgary. He said over time, he brought 2 Cold Scorpio and Pat Tanaka to Inoki.
At that time, Bad News says there was no politics in Japan. His initial name was Buffalo Allen, which was the result of a contest they had to name him. He was then asked how he was treated by the sponsors and the Yakuza, the Japanese mafia. Bad News said they both loved him, the Yakuza liked the heels, and they would take them to good restaurants.
Bad News is asked about his thoughts on Tiger Jeet Singh. He compared him to Abdullah the Butcher, saying they were both out for themselves. He then is asked about Abdullah taking money from the guys he helped bring to Japan and Bad News said it was wrong and that he brought in guys because he wanted to help and didn’t ask for a dime.
Up next is how he worked with Andre in Japan in the late 1970’s and the incident they had on the bus. Bad News said that they were on a bus that also included Dusty Rhodes, Stan Hansen, Chavo Guerrero Sr. and Hulk Hogan, who was sitting directly behind Bad News. Andre was talking and started to use the N-word and Bad News told him to watch his mouth. Things quieted down then Andre told Bad News to go fuck himself. Bad News got pissed and ordered the driver to stop and told Andre to come outside and say that to his face but Andre refused. Hansen tried to smooth things over by saying Andre was drunk but Bad News was pissed an immediately went up to his hotel room. The next day he saw Andre and asked him to go outside but he refused. He then talked to him and said that he was mad at Andre for insulting his people, bringing up the fact that he never insulted Andre’s people. Andre then apologized. Bad News said they buried the hatchet right before his death.
He is then asked how he wound up working in the WWWF under Vince McMahon Sr. He said at the time, they had a working agreement with New Japan. Bad News liked Vince Sr., stating he always treated him well, unlike his son. He then says that Vince Jr. should have stayed on the mic and that he was mad that his dad wouldn’t let him be one of the boys and once he took over from his dad, to forget about it. He said he was green and was working prelims at the time. He said that it took him five years to become a good worker. He traveled with Peter Maiava (The grandfather of the Rock) and said that Maiavawas like a big brother to him and a legit tough guy. He puts him over a lot in this interview for being a great guy.
From there, he went to work in Los Angeles. He is asked about his memories of the Guerreros and said they all had huge egos and were jerks but Eddie turned out to be nice and first met him when he was ten years old, commenting on how he was pudgy. He then recalls running into Eddie in Japan years later and couldn’t believe that it was the same kid. He also thought that Al Madril was a jerk who believed his own gimmick, which he refers to as “Believing in your own BS.”
He is then asked about working with Tito Santana in Japan. He liked Tito and learned from him by watching. He is then asked about teaming with Hogan and references back to the Andre incident on the bus. During that confrontation  and just before he went outside, Bad News put his earrings in his bag and Hulk thought that he was reaching for a gun, because no one talked to Andre like that before and if they did, he assumed that they would have a gun. Bad News says that Hogan was a better worker then and had an unbelievable amount of charisma. He calls Inoki the Hogan of Japan.
He then tells a story of a drunken bar fight at a strip club in Japan. He was with the Samoans (Afa & SIka), Ken Patera, and Tom Prichard. Anyway, they got Prichard hammered to the point that he took off all his clothes. The Yakuza were there and told Bad News they all had to leave as they were drunk then the Samoans got into a fight and the riot police arrived. Bad News was holding Prichard’s clothes, trying to get him to leave and he ended up dragging him back to the hotel just before they tried to arrest them.
He is then asked if he ever cracked under the pressure of touring. He said no as he didn’t do pills and that the mind controlled the body. He said that the NWA never tried to recruit him, recalling that he met Jim Crockett once while in Florida.
He said that the promoters in Japan asked him to control Abdullah the Butcher. Whenever he told Abby something, he would do the exact opposite. He is then asked about the jealousy between Tiger Jeet Singh and Abdullah the Butcher. He said that they drew the first million dollar house in wrestling (The match is largely considered to be horrendous) then mentions how it was due to the relation between All-Japan and New-Japan.
Bad News is asked about his thoughts on several workers. He liked Bill Eadie, thought he was a smart man. He hated Dick Murdoch, stating he was a bigot and also hints that he might have been part of the Ku Klux Klan. He claims to have told Murdoch when he first met him to not start any racist crap with him and he was fine with that. He said he was also crazy. He said that Freddie Blassie was a good guy and was jealous of him because he had dark skin and Blassie was always trying to get tanned. He also loved Jim Duggan but hated working with him as he start to laugh whenever he looked at his face. He also puts over Duggan for being a funny guy.
He is then asked how he developed his promo skills. Bad News says that Strongbow told him to become the character he was supposed to be and that Inoki once told him a story of how he pushed Tatsumi Fujinami over a better worker because he could tell a story with his facial expressions.
Up next is how he wound up in Calgary wrestling for Stu Hart. He said that he was warned by the office in Japan that they were known for messing around with people. He liked Stu Hart, who also took a liking to him, but said that the Hart family was the definition of a dysfunctional family. He also said that he did not work out in the dungeon, as Stu loved the fact that he was in the Olympics thus did not feel the need to test him out.
Bad News is asked about Bret Hart. Bad News always thought he was a good technician in the ring but never changed his facial expressions and always believed his own BS. He also said that Bret would do a lot of moves that did not make sense in context of the match. He also said he told Bret he wouldn’t bump for moves that missed by a lot and Bret would get pissy over that. He is then asked if he believes the Dynamite Kid’s story of doing drugs with Bret and he says that he does, as he believes Dynamite was not a bullshitter.
He is asked about Davey Boy Smith. He said he called him Jethro Bodine (the character from the Beverly Hillbillies). He also says that he liked him but would get mad when instead of selling in the match, he would be pulling up his pads and trunks instead.
Bad News is asked about another story in Dynamite’s book, this time his confrontation with Bret Hart. He confirms the story then tells us what happened. He said that Bret was false in his claims that he had never hurt anyone in the ring, as he gave him two concussions.  Before one of their matches, Bad News told Bret not to hit him in the back of the head with a chair. Well, Bret hit him anyway and Bad News said he got up and choked him out, calling him a “fucking asshole,” then rolled out of the ring and grabbed a kendo stick and cracked him on the nose. He then went to the locker room and found out that Bret had someone else grab his bags and he took off for a few days before returning. When asked about their relationship in the WWF, Bad News said that they were okay but he always kept an eye out for him.
He is then asked how he got suspended by the athletic commission. Bad News said that Dynamite can up with an idea to hit him and Davey Boy with his town car. Bad News said he told Dynamite to quit using drugs. 
He then did another program with Bret. Bad News said that he was moody the entire time and would always want to go over. He said that they did an angle in which he stabbed Bret in the eye with a fork that would require Bret to wear a patch afterwards to sell the attack but he would refuse to wear it out in public and he would walk around the town the day of their matches, with the people seeing him without the patch and knowing that it was all bullshit. He then recalls one story of the police, who thought the attacks were real, showing up in the locker room and trying to arrest him. He said he asked them if Bret was pressing charges, they said no, and he kicked them out.
Bad News is asked about Bruce Hart. He calls him “mommy’s favorite” who would always look out for Bret. He then claims that Stu once told him that he wished someone would take Bruce to their territory and turn him into an opening match guy and beat his ass on a daily basis, as he knew Bruce was ruining the territory.
He is asked about the brutal driving conditions. He said there were frequent accidents due to the inclement weather and when they had to work in Vancouver, would travel 15 hours to get there.
He is asked his thoughts on some more workers. He hated David Schultz, calling him an asshole. He tells a story from when he was in Japan with Schultz, the office hated him because he always wanted to talk instead of wrestle. They were scheduled to team together and before the match, Bad News was told to refuse any tag that Schultz tried to make and during that match, Schultz got the shit kicked out of him by the opposing team. He liked Jim Neidhart and tells a story of how he once left Davey in charge of his cat and when he went to pick it up, he found out that Davey’s rotweiler had eaten it. He liked the Honky Tonk Man but said he was not a good worker. He said that Mike Shaw was a stooge and if you kicked Stu Hart in the nuts, you would break Shaw’s nose because it was so far up his ass.
He is asked about Smith Hart, who Bad News refers to as a low-life degenerate. He says that he almost adopted Smith’s daughter but decided not to as he and his wife did not want Smith in their lives.
Up next is when Ed Whelan quit Stampede Wrestling over the angle in which Bad News piledrived the “son” of Archie “The Stomper” Gouldie and broke his neck. He called Ed a mark and said that he was bad as a commentator, always putting himself over instead of building up the heels for the faces. He also said that people were sending cards and calling the hosptials to ask about Gouldie’s son, who didn’t even exist. Bad News also said that he did not even want to do the angle, as he had heat with the athletic commission at the time.
Bad News is now asked about the time that Andre shit on him during their match. He said that Andre had diarreah and had been drinking too. Bad News was tagging with Bam Bam Bigelow in the match and Andre went to whip him then lost control of his bowels. He said he rolled out of the ring, nearly puked then ran to the back in the shower with all his clothes on. When asked about Mexico, he said the fans were nuts and they would throw lit cigarettes at you and they would stick to your skin because of your perspiration.
He is asked about working a few shows for the WWF in 1984. He said that he was supposed to go there with Bret, Jim Neidhart, and the Bulldogs but declined as his wife was having a baby at that time. He also said that no one asked him if he wanted to go to there, and he didn’t want to, but agreed to do a few shows.
Bad News said that he knew Stampede was in trouble when Bruce started to run things. He also said that Stu never told his sons that he was selling the company and they found out by watching the news.
He is asked about his earliest memories of Chris Benoit. Bad News says that he wanted to bring him over to Japan as the Hart’s were abusive towards him, because they were jealous. He recalls a story of how they were in Edmonton on Chris’s birthday and he had his sister-in-law make him a birthday cake. In the locker room, Bruce Hart sees the cake and asks who it has for and when he found out, he muttered under his breath that he was not going to be eating the cake and had Mike Shaw smash it into his face. He tells another story of Benoit of how they teamed up against Shaw and Steve DeSalvo and Bad News switched the finish from him pinning DeSalvo to Benoit. When Benoit got the pin using the Dynamite Kid’s headbutt, the crowd went nuts and Bad News said that made the Hart’s jealous.
He is asked about the UWF. Bad News said that they went out of business as there were too many chiefs and they were skimming off the top and as a result, went out of business, despite selling out a majority of their shows.
He is then asked about his thoughts on several workers while in Florida. He liked Wahoo McDaniel and said that they were similar. He said that Mike Graham was an asshole and a spoiled, little rich kid who thought everyone should lay down for him. He thought that Lex Luger was a total moron and recalls when he tried to teach Lex about working, as he was fucking up constantly in the ring, and Lex wouldn’t listen and started to pose in the mirror. Bad News is then asked about the incident in which Brody beat the shit out of Lex. He said that Lex was disrespectful to Brody and was telling him how to work the match in the locker room and after that, Bad News knew that Brody was going to kill him. He said that he found out about his death when on the road with the WWF in Denver and went off in the corner and cried. He thought that Kevin Sullivan was one of the craziest people he has ever met. He liked Ron Simmons and says that they use to share a car together and Simmons would take off without telling him and his girlfriend would ask Bad News where he went. He liked Ray Candy and thought that Buzz Sawyer was nuts. He also liked Brian Pillman and thought he worked hard and said that he told him to stay away from Bruce Hart, who would try to influence him.
Next, he is asked about Owen Hart. At first, he thought he was difficult to work with. He also said it was difficult to get heat on him because he wouldn’t sell, and he needed to as a young babyface. He recalls a story of beating Owen at a house show in Saskatoon when he was the Blue Blazer and after he pinned him with the Ghetto Blaster. They had another match shortly after that and Bad News told Earl Hebner that he would kick the shit out of Owen if he celebrated on the ropes after losing. Well, after that match, Owen thought that Bad News left and stood on the ropes, but Bad News was still there and he said he beat his ass then screamed at him in the locker room.
Up next is how he wound up in the WWF. He said that Hogan went to Vince looking for fresh heels and suggested him. He then said that Bret actually spoke to him and said that Vince wanted to talk with him. He said Vince called him and made promises such as getting the belt. He initially thought that Vince was a genius, emphasizing that it was in the past, but said you should watch your fingers after he shook your hand. He said that he was not accepted in the locker room right away and that Vince told him the office staff talked him out of getting the belt.
He liked working with Randy Savage but said that his mood was always labile. When they wrestled a main event at MSG, he said that Vince came up to him after the show and said it was the best main event he had seen there in years.
Bad News said that he made more money in Japan than the WWF. When he first signed, Vince told him that he could retire after his run. He said that while on the road, his wife called and said that his check was for $250. He said that they would get $100 advances on the road but at that time, Vince lost cash from “No Holds Barred” and was recuperation his losses by skimming off the wrestlers payoffs. He said that he yelled at Vince about this at a TV taping.
Bad News said that he got to win the Battle Royal at WrestleMania IV because he was lied to so many times and this was how they made that up to him.
He is asked about the Ultimate Warrior and tells a story at a TV taping in Bakersfield, CA. Pat Patterson came up to him and said that he wanted him to put over the Warrior in a ten minute dark match. Before the match started, Davey Boy, who was close with Warrior, told him that Bad News would blow him up. Bad News then goes on to state that the Warrior already blew himself up before the match started from shaking the ropes. After it ended, two ushers had to help Warrior up the aisle and he was looking purple. Bad News then said that he liked him and that Warrior went up to him and said that Vince told him what to ask for a payday in his match against Hogan at WM VI. Bad News told him to ask for a million, as the worst that could happen is he would say no, and when Warrior told Vince the amount, he agreed.
He is asked about some other workers. He liked Ken Patera, saying he was easy to work with. He said that JYD was a mess because of his drug use. He liked Big John Studd and said that he took a lot of growth hormones as he always wanted to be bigger than Andre. He thought Hercules was a nice guy. He is then asked about Ronnie Garvin’s chops and said that before they had their match, he told Garvin to leave those chops in the locker room.
Bad News is asked if he had a reputation as a tough guy in the locker room. He said that he might of because he was a no nonsense guy but Haku was without a doubt the toughest.
Up next is the confrontation between Jacques Rougeau and the Dynamite Kid. He said that he helped break that up then tells the story. He said while eating lunch at a TV taping, he was with Dynamite, Haku, and Pat Patterson. Shortly after Patterson walks away, Dynamite gets up and leaves then they hear a ruckus in the hallway. Bad News goes out and sees a bloody Dynamite and yells at Jacques to go stay away. Ramon comes over and Bad News tossed him against the wall and told him to get out. They cleaned up Dynamite and when Davey Boy heard what happened, he wanted to kill the Rougeau’s. Bad News said he told Davey to take Dynamite to the hospital and he went looking for the Rougeau’s himself. They ended up being sent home and Bad News said that everyone was pissed as they all hated the Rougeau’s to begin with. A week later, the Rougeau’s came back to the locker room and when Jacques went to shake hands with him, Bad News told him to get the fuck away. Bad News believes that Patterson was in on this, because no one would have done this if he was present. Bad News does admit that Dynamite brought some of this on himself but he was innocent of what he was being accused of doing.
He is asked about Dusty Rhodes. Bad News tells a story of how when they were in the WWWF in the early 1980’s, Dusty was talking with SD Jones and dropping the N-word constantly. When Dusty left, Bad News went over to SD and asked him why he let him speak like that and SD said it was okay because Dusty was his man, which caused Bad News to tell him he shouldnt let Dusty say that word. When it came to wrestle, Bad News was scheduled to team with Stan Hansen against Dusty and Inoki. Bad News was supposed to be pinned by Dusty but refused and said he would gladly job to Inoki. He then does a pretty funny Dusty impression and said that he threatened to stretch him out in the ring, causing Dusty to almost cry.
He tells a crazy story in Japan involving Bob Orton and Chris Adams.  He said that they were in a bar that had a lot of Yakuza present and Adams ended up judo-tossing someone and a fight broke out. Orton ends up kicking a guy in the nuts, who turned out to be the godfather of that area. He was watching TV in his room then came down and saw about 50 gang members looking for Orton. Bad News said the office heard what happened and immediately shipped him off to Tokyo and got back to the United States before the Yakuza associates in Tokyo could get to him. He is then asked if it was true that Orton and Dick Slater killed Koko B. Ware’s parrot, Frankie. He said he didn’t know but tells another story of how he went to rent a car from a company and they used because he worked for the WWF and later found out that Orton and Adrian Adonis rented a car from that company and ended up leaving it on the train tracks so as a result, they stopped renting to wrestlers.
Bad News said that he hated Roddy Piper, calling him a racist. He also said that Piper was supposed to put him over but he bitched to the office. He then said for their WrestleMania match, Piper got $50,000 and he received $10,000 Canadian Dollars.
He is then asked if he was treated like shit on the way out. He said that he was jobbing to everyone and approached Vince about that, who pretended that it wasn’t happening. He then recalls how he gave notice. At a TV taping, he showed up six hours late and went right to Vince’s office, which usually required an appointment of sorts. He opened the door and Vince was in with Greg Valentine. Bad News said that he wanted to see him next and waited by the door. When Valentine left, he came in and told Vince he was sick of the lies and bullshit. Pat Patterson walked in and Bad News threatened him and he left. Bad News said that Vince humbled after that.
He is asked about any crazy ribs and said he once saw the Bulldogs try to inject air into someone’s veins and he yelled at them as they could have killed him.
After the WWF, he wound up in Japan. He said he called WCW but Dusty was the booker and when he called, he was put on speaker by the receptionist and Dusty could be heard in the background saying that he had “no time for that asshole.” Bad News said that he saw Dusty today, who gave him his typical bullshit routine.
He said that Vader was an asshole and recalls how when in Japan, Vader was pouting because their six-man match was asked to be shortened as Riki Choshu was not feeling well and he said that he couldn’t get in all his highspots. He liked Masahiro Chono and also thought that Doug Furnas and Dan Kroffat were good guys. He loved Sexton Hardcastle (Edge) and said that at one particular show, the crowd was heavily booing the faces and cheering the heels and he was nervous so Bad News told him they should switch roles. He said that he loved Chris Jericho and always knew that he had talent. He also loved Don Callis, saying that he was funny as shit.
Bad News is asked his thoughts on the “Montreal Screwjob” and he says that Bret should have known better that not only would Vince screw him over but that he should drop the belt as he was leaving for another company as his dad taught him that. He tells Bret to get over it and tells us that he has a replica of every belt he has ever won then adds that he didn’t cry when he jobbed in front of his home-crowd at MSG against Savage.
He is then asked about his wrestling school. Bad News said that it is going well and they have an upcoming TV show. He also says that he is trying to work on a book deal.
When asked about the young wrestlers in Calgary today, he said that Teddy Hart is a great worker but crazy and his own worst enemy. He then says that Harry Smith can go places but needs to stay away from Teddy, as he is a bad influence.
He tells a locker room story while in Calgary about Jason the Terrible. In the locker room, Jason kept telling everyone that he was a bad ass, four days into his stay so they decided to play a joke on him. Kerry Brown told Jason to ask Bad News about his son being a concert pianist. When he did, Bad News flipped out and said that his son lost both of his hands in a lawnmower accident then held a knife to his throat. Jason started to cry as Kerry started to laugh. They kept this going for a few days and on the bus, they told Jason that Bad News quit over the joke as Kerry asked Jason why he was picking on his son. Bad news then said that he was on the floor laughing at this point then told Jason that if he wanted to learn, he should keep his mouth shut and ears open instead of going around stating how tough you are.
Bad News blames Vince for the current state of wrestling. He said that guys lose the belts quickly and the champ wrestles for free on TV all the time instead of doing interviews promoting the house shows. He also says that everyone looks the same and that is not like regular life, where people come in different shapes and sizes.
He closes by stating that his one regret was not seeing his kids grow up and thanks the fans for his support, as well as the opportunity to wrestle against Jake Roberts and the Dynamite Kid.
Final Thoughts: One of the best shoots interviews I have ever seen. Bad News doesn’t hold anything back at all. I highly recommend this interview to everyone. He tells a lot of great stories and if you are really interested in Stampede and Japanese wrestling, Bad News offers great insight.
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RF Video Shoot Interview with Demolition

8th August 2013 by Scott Keith
This
interview was filmed in 2007.
 
 

The
interview starts by asking how they got started in the business. Ax said he got
started by accident as he was home from college and met with his neighbor, who
was the athletic commissioner of Pennsylvania. He then went to the Pittsburgh
Civic Center and met up with Geeto Mongol, who asked him if he was interested
in wrestling and then ended up training on his farm and within six weeks, he
was wrestling in matches. Smash said that he was a bouncer at a bar in
Minnesota and Eddie Sharkey was working as the bartender and asked him if he
was interested in wrestling. Smash thought he was kidding but Sharkey opened up
a wrestling school, which was in the basement of a church that he rented and
trained there. Smash said the conditions were brutal, as it was a homemade mat
that had nails sticking out from the sides. He said that Ole Anderson scouted
some guys while there and took Joe Laurinaitis (Animal) to Atlanta and after
that, the rest of the guys (Wayne Bloom, John Nord) got turns.

 
Next they
are asked how they met. Ax said that Vince gave him a list of names as a
partner and Smash was one of those names. Ax said he called Ivan Koloff, who
worked with Smash in Atlanta, and gave him a good recommendation. Ax said that
Randy Colley didn’t work out as all the fans knew that he was Moondog Rex and
the same thing would happen to the other WWF guys Vince suggested. Ax did not
want to mention the names of the other guys.
 
Both guys
thought the gimmick worked and they had good matches but stated it was bad to
essentially kill them off when they brought in the Legion of Doom. Ax said that
they were not knock-offs of LOD as they, along with the Powers of Pain, all had
their own distinct style. Ax said that always knew the Demolition gimmick would
work.
 
Smash is
asked what his initial impression was of Ax. Smash said that when he quit
working in Charlotte, he was considering going to Japan but Vince called him
about teaming with Ax. Smash also asked Ivan Koloff about Ax and was told that
Ax would teach him how to work up there, as just about everything was different
between the WWF and NWA.
 
They are
then asked about the first match they worked together. Ax then recalls how
there was animosity towards them from a few teams in the locker room, stating
some of them were jealous but did not want to mention names. He then said that
Vince told them they would be pushed hard. He then talks about how you have to
know your craft and if you do, you should be able to adjust so work in front of
any crowd in any territory. He recalls how on time in the locker room, Big John
Studd joked that Ax was here to “blow up the babyfaces,” referencing how they
worked a non-stop style that blew up a majority of their opponents.
 
They said
that there was an immediate chemistry that developed between them and adding
Mr. Fuji helped make it a total team effort, as he would give them advice from
outside the ring.
 
The
interviewer talks to Ax about the style change within the WWF from when he was
the Masked Superstar until he came back as part of Demolition. Ax said that
when he broke in, guys would make fun of the then WWWF as it was filled with
slow and lumbering guys, unlike the Southern territories who had guys wrestle
longer matches at a faster pace. Ax said that adding teams like the British Bulldogs
and Hart Foundation helped them wrestle at a quicker pace.
 
They are
then asked if there was a captain of the team. Smash said that it was Ax, then
notes how they both listened to each other. Ax said it was not a dictatorship
and that they never tried to take advantage of each other. He doesn’t mention
names but brings up how one particular team split up because one of the guys
got the focus for himself and not his partner.
 
They are
asked about notoriety as they got popular and Ax said that the makeup they wore
in the ring helped them when they were out in public but when Fuji was with
them, everyone could immediately tell. Ax said that he enjoyed being a
celebrity in the ring and being able to go out in public with his family
without being hassled. He recalls one time, while wrestling as the Masked
Superstar, he was in a restaurant when Flair and Wahoo McDaniel arrived and saw
them get mobbed by the other patrons while he got to remain hassle free. Smash
said when he was Krusher Khruschev, he couldn’t go anywhere as the fans wanted
to kill him and would do things such as slash his tires.
 
When asked
about their memories of Hogan and Savage around this time, Ax said they were
usually focused on the other tag-teams they were facing and just had cordial
conversations with them.  He then goes on
to state how Savage struggled to find his own identity and started to copy
Hogan in order to get a rub? Smash adds that he liked to work the same cards as
Hogan due to the bigger paychecks.
 
They are
then asked memories about working with certain teams. They both put over the
British Bulldogs, stating how it was impossible to have a bad match with them.
Ax adds that it was easy to forget how small they were due to the powerful
style they wrestled. They liked their matches with Strike Force but Ax said
that the team did not get over as well as the Can-Am Connection did, noting how
it was tough to replace the original act. Smash jokes how Tom Zenk was a
quitter.
 
Ax said that
he requested Mr. Fuji as a manager. They first had Johnny Valiant, who Ax
thought was a nice guy but was too much of a goof on-screen and he could not
grasp what the team was supposed to be, which was a couple of bad-ass guy. Ax
also liked Fuji because he wouldn’t take the focus away from the wrestlers as
opposed to guys like Jimmy Hart and Jim Cornette. Ax said Fuji never ribbed
them but had a motto of be on time, eat and sleep good, and work out.
 
When it came
to the road schedule, mash talked about how one day you would be in New York
then go to California then back to New Jersey. He said at one point they went
to a pattern of working three weeks then having ten days off after there was an
argument started from a lot of burned-out wrestlers. He says that he traveled a
lot in Charlotte but got to be home in his own bed a majority of the time.
 
They are
asked about working with some other teams. They liked the Powers of Pain but
noted that the Barbarian was a much better worker than his partner. They said
that the Warlord was a nice guy and tried hard but was too mechanical in the
ring.  When asked why their feud ended so
abruptly, Ax said they never found out why. He also adds how they were turned
face about two years too soon then talk some more about the LOD. Smash claims
the fans would b emad if they were brought in earlier and says that the LOD was
jealous that they were more over than them in the WWF. Ax adds that Vince never
realized, because he wanted LOD for so long, that Demolition was more over than
them by the time they arrived.  
 
On the subject
of other teams, they both loved the Hart Foundation. They only recall
having  a few matches with the Rockers
and said that they were easy but there was a bit of a style clash. They loved
working with the Brainbusters, as they always made them look good. Smash
reaclls how the crowd deflated when they dropped the belt to them on Saturday’s
Night Main Event.
 
They are
asked about Andre the Giant and recall how he was fun in the locker room but
generally miserable outside of the ring. Smash said that when they were out
with Andre, he never let them pay for anything. They recall how they once took
Andre out for his birthday when they were in Paris and went on a tour of his
favorite winery where they proceeded to drink a shitload.
 
They are
asked about their first Wrestlemania match, which was against the Strike Force
at Wresltemania IV. Ax notes how long of a day it was during Wrestlemania,
saying you did interviews from 10am to about 6pm with a short break for lunch
in-between. Smash notes how he signed his first contract just before
Wrestlemania III.
 
They are
asked about a few other workers. They always got along with the Ultimate
Warrior but note how others were jealous of him then add how he was thrown into
a spot that he was not ready for. They both liked Jake Roberts but said that
promoters couldn’t trust him due to his demons. They say that he was a master
of in-ring psychology.
 
When asked
about drug use, both men state they were not a part of that and traveled with
Fuji. They said the guys who took drugs traveled together and some of them became
so paranoid that they believed the wrestlers who didn’t take anything would rat
on them. Ax notes how he was on the road away from his family and would rather
come home with money for them instead of blowing it on drugs. They both go on
to state how they never ratted guys out to the office and took pride in not
backstabbing or intentionally trying to hurt others. Ax said he wasn’t shocked
that Dusty came to the WWF but was surprised that he allowed Vince to give him
the polka dots and everything else about his character.
 
Both said it
is not hard to stay in shape on the road. They add that you need to keep a
routine. Ax notes how he once brought his wife and daughter on the plane with
him and when the plane took off, the other wrestlers went asleep and Ax told
his daughter, who asked, that this is the only time that some of them get to
sleep. On the subject of steroids, Ax says no one tells you that you need them
but he was prescribed them at one point and they helped him.
 
Up next is
how Crush became part of the team. Ax notes how shortly before Wrestlemania VI,
he developed an allergic reaction to shellfish. He went out for Chinese food
with his wife before going to the movies and said that he felt a burning
feeling but thought it was just bad food. While at the movies,  he had to go outside to get fresh air then collapsed
after going into anaphylactic shock. Vince thought he had a heart problem and
went looking for a replacement and they spoke with Len Denton (The Grappler) in
Oregon about Crush, who said he was a great guy. Ax says that he was thrown
into a tough situation and was rough on interviews but did try and listened but
couldn’t replace the original.
 
Up next is
when the LOD came to the WWF. They are asked if they heard about them coming in
before they did and both said others told them the LOD were pissed at them
about their gimmick but the LOD never said that to them. Ax said even if they
were, what would happen, they try to fight them. Ax said he always got along
well with Hawk but hints at some animosity between him and Animal. Smash said
that their matches were not good because they never wanted to sell any offense.
Ax notes how they were just as big as LOD, if not bigger, then say if someone
as big as Andre can sell, everyone should be able too.
 
The
interviewer then brings up Ax’s shoot interview (as the Masked Superstar) and
how he felt betrayed by Smash then wanted to know how they patched things up
between them. Ax said they were supposed to have a match that ended up having a
screwy finish but Smash no-showed and he and Crush went out and lost. Smash
said he was home hunting ducks and quit. They both thought they were leaving
together for WCW. Before this, Vince met with both guys and proposed an idea of
both guys changing their gimmicks to wear cloth masks. Anyway, some of the
agents stirred things up backstage, telling Ax and Crush that Smash made
another agreement with Vince to do another gimmick, which pissed them both off.
It turns out that WCW gave them a much worse deal than the initially proposed
and they were not going back there. For a long time, Smash had no idea that Ax
was mad at him.   
 
They are
asked what ideas WCW proposed to them. They said there were two options. First,
since WWF did not own the Demolition name, they could use that or the other
idea was for Ax to return as the Masked Superstar and work with Vader and have
Smash and Crush continue as Demolition.
 
They are
asked about how they are feeling physically at the moment. Smash said that his
back and neck are in constant pain but he just took a shot and feels okay
today. Ax said he has arthritis in his hands and wrists but works out a few
times a week and feels good most of the time.
 
When asked
about the lack of kayfabe today, Smash said that it is no longer wrestling but
entertainment today. Ax notes how older fans come up to him and say how it is
not liked it used to be anymore. Ax thinks that back then, they were not trying
to insult the fans and might have been more believable and notes how psychology
is a lost art nowadays.
 
When asked
about overrated and underrated guys, Ax notes how Terry Taylor was
underappreciated and brings up the awful Red Rooster gimmick. He then tells a
story of how his daughter was with him and asked why he came down to the ring
acting like a Rooster. He said that he didn’t know then she asked if it was
because someone didn’t like him. Smash states how he wants everyone to know
that the LOD was not overrated, just that they didn’t have good matches in the
WWF due to the different style.
 
Their
favorite teams to work against are the Bulldogs, Hart Foundation and Strike
Force. Smash also loved working against Andre and Haku, as they were friends.
Both then state how the WWF should have paired up Haku and the Barbarian.
 
Today, Smash
owns his own printing shop and sells real estate. Ax went back to teaching, he
taught for five years prior to wrestling, and teaches special education,
primarily kids that come out of juvenile detention and does work in a psychiatric
hospital for kids who were sexually abused. Both men do nor miss the hassle of
traveling on the road but do miss the hefty paychecks.
 
They are
then asked about what makes a great angle. Smash said something believable and
having the guys who can make it work. Ax adds that you have to become the
person and adds that once he was asked to be a cowboy and didn’t feel
comfortable as he knew nothing about being a cowboy and felt the fans would see
right through him.  They note how they
could have had a good angle wih the Road Warriors but it wasn’t done correctly.
He notes that they should have been kept separate for a while, winning matches,
then started to feud. Smash adds that this would have gotten the LOD over more
in the WWF.
 
 
 
Smash states
how different and cold the wrestling business is compared to others, noting how
he received Christmas calls and cards from old bosses but never had that happen
once from a wrestling promoter. He then tells a story of how he recently talked
to John Laurinaitis and asked about a job working as an agent. He helped him break
in the business and thought he would put in a good word for him, after he was
told there were a few openings but Laurinaitis ended up laughing at him. Smash called
back a few weeks later and they pretended like they did not know who he was at
the offices. Ax says that wrestling is nothing more than a meat factory and you
need to realize that so you don’t take offense to being let go.
 
 
 
They are
asked about road stories and just add that they had fun and gave it their all.
Ax notes how wrestling provided for his family and sent his daughters to
school, which makes him proud. Smash is sad that a lot of his friends in the
business are starting to pass away.
 
They close
by thanking their fans.
 
Final Thoughts: I really enjoyed this interview. If
you do like gossip and road stories, you will not find that here but both guys
were well spoken and agenda-free. Also, it is nice to see them being successful
after the careers have ended and not struggling to make a living on the Indy
circuit. I will say that I have no idea what Ax was talking about when he
stated Savage did not have an identity and they mentioned the Road Warriors an
awful lot, frequently mentioning how they did not work in the WWF and he did come off a tad self-righteous at times when discussing how he  generally refrained from partying on the road but did seem like a likable guy overall. Still, it
was interesting to see how they were split up and even though Ax spoke more
than his partner, they were not cutting each other off or speaking over each
other, which can happen during these shoots. I recommend this shoot, especially
if you are a fan of this era of tag-team wrestling.
 
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Secret Video of Dixie Carter's Speech

22nd July 2013 by Scott Keith
Don’t ask me how I smuggled that footage out. 
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