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RF Video Shoot Interview with Christopher Daniels, Disc 2

22nd August 2014 by Scott Keith

This disc runs at fifty-six minutes long.

Frankie Kazarian joins Daniels for the interview

It is conducted by Rob Feinstein

They are asked how they first met. Daniels said when he moved to California he first met Frankie when he was training at wrestling school.

Daniels talks about how they started to be a team in 2011 when he finished a feud with AJ. At that time, the Motor City Machine Guns were out due to injury and the company was not doing much with them so they decided to team up.

They then talk about how they are each other’s best friends and glad to be able to travel and see the world together. Daniels hopes that when they are on the independent scene that bookers will be able to afford both of them for the same show.

Next, they are asked to compare tag team partners. Daniels said that he had continuity with Elix Skipper but not as much with Kazarian, who said that he teamed with Michael Shane who at times can off like a dick and would flip out if things did not go his way. They both talk about how with each other, it is always the team that comes first.

Kazarian then explains how Bad Influence was formed. There was an angle proposed that had Daniels make Kazarian wrestle his friend AJ and threaten to expose a secret if he did not follow through. Kazarian then came up with an idea of Chris having a secret on AJ and that he himself would rather fall on the sword rather than have the secret exposed, thus protecting AJ. Kazarian said he pitched his idea to Eric Bischoff, who told him that it was a good idea.

After that, he had an idea of AJ being a sponsor to an addict niece of Dixie Carter that would lead to them insinuating that AJ had a child with her a few years ago when they were all friends in storyline at the time. However, the Carter family did not want an affair storyline or someone with that name having an addiction problem. Daniels said that people would have cared and been invested if it was involving them

When asked about the girl who played Claire Lynch, they both sighed. Daniels said that they were told she was the better looking girl of the two girls they had for the role. On her departure, they understood that she claimed about being harrassed outside and that she was not told about her role when she got hired. Claire was also working for a PR firm at the time. Daniels said she walked out of the company a week before the storyline was supposed to end. They then talked about how they wrote the end that a sound tech would come forward and the lady was a fake and he made the tape himself and that way they did not have to use Claire Lynch to explain her departure but the company said no. Kazarian said he came up with the Bad Influence name as it was the name of a team he used with another partner at a couple of shows in the Independent scene.

Daniels said that the Appletini gimmick came about when they had an idea to do a toast and that he was trying to think of the most ridiculous choice and was a fan of the show “Scrubs” and the lead character J.D.’s favorite drink was the Appletini. He said it was never meant to be part of the act but the next week they were doing backstage stuff and decided to have it there and it became a part of his character.

When asked at which moment did TNA not care about the tag division. He said that when Chavo Guerrero & Hernandez took the belts from them and beat them in every other match as well. They were then told the belts were going back to them when they went overseas but found out that the first match that Bobby Roode & Austin Aries teamed they were going to get the belts. After that, they were promised the belts later down the road but instead of being on Bound For Glory, they found out they were on the preshow match, losing in a four-way gauntlet match.

They were still pitching ideas that were designed to make the belts look important but on one idea, John Gaburik told them it was too long.

On if they were told not to wear Marvel shows, Daniels said not at first but a Spike Executive said that they were not allowed to because it was not a TNA brand, prompting them both to mention how other’s wore non-TNA issued brands on the show. Kazarian said that if you want to make that a rule fine but the company was just using a double-standard. Daniels then said they got in trouble for making shirts with their own faces on them, mimicking movie posters. One day at a pre-tape, Al Snow told them that Dixie texted him to make sure they could not wear those shirts as they were not a TNA-brand as Kazarian mentions how Motorhead and Hardcore 5150 are not sponsors of TNA either but that was not a problem and that TNA should have the balls to enforce the rules for everyone.

Daniels goes back to Russo’s problem with him not being over and says that you can point fingers at who was to blame and that they both were. However, you cannot say that Bad Influence was not over or not entertaining and does not know why they were let go or understand how it was a good business decision. Daniels said that they went with the BroMans instead, who he loves and puts over Jesse for improving by leaps and bounds, but that they are the better team. Kazarian says that you question yourself on whether or not you are over or entertaining when that happens.

When asked about if they got their checks late, Daniels said that during Christmas time TNA was three weeks behind on his check and he did not receive it until two days before Christmas and that fucked up his account and at that point, had a less than ten bucks in his account. He then tells a story of the company tweeting James Storm giving the Red Cross a check for $2,500. Daniels then said that he called Gaburik after that and asked him how it looks when the company is promoting themselves as giving to charities while they are weeks behind paying their own employees. He said that Gaburik thought he was being “uncool” for commenting about the tweet and Daniels told him that he was not saying that he needs money more than a homeless person but rather pay your employees, especially around the holidays, before you promote yourself as a monogamous charitable organization. Kazarian then talks about his wife (Tracy Brooks) and how she was a friend of the girl in TNA who handled payroll and hounded her for updates and were told such excuses as the mail was lost, stolen, or never picked up at all. Kazarian then said a young guy came up to him and told him he had not gotten paid in months and was afraid to rock the boat and just kept quiet so Kazarian took it upon himself to help those guys out. Daniels also heard that Spike was late in paying TNA.

Daniels said that TNA told him that they were not renewing his contract until the day after Lockdown. After the show, Kazarian and Daniels pitched ideas of working with Tigre Uno and Sanada to help them get over but the next day, they were not booked for the TV tapings. After that, they showed up to a “One Night Only” taping, Gaburik told Daniels they would talk to him after the taping and told him they were going in a different direction and his contract was not being renewed. Kazarian remembers a few months earlier they pitched two different ideas and were told that they were “too entertaining” and would steal the segment. After that, Daniels said he told the agent of his match he was going to do what got him over, despite the office telling them not to, and the agent did not want to get in trouble himself so Daniels just did what the office wanted him to do and told the agent it was one thing to not push him but for them to not allow what got the team over to be used is something totally different.

Daniels then talks about how he emailed Dixie after being let go to thank her for having him in the company and she replied back that she had no idea his contract was not being renewed and thought they were going to offer him a role as an agent.

On the subject of Dixie, they both say she is a sweetheart as a person but puts stock in the person running her company and basically just listens to them on everything going on in the promotion.

When asked about TNA’s future, Daniels said he does not want bad things to happen but looking at the downward spiral of ratings and decisions it looks bleak. Kazarian would like them to hire someone like Jim Ross or Tommy Dreamer to run the company and boost ratings.

Both guys are excited about working with different teams and wrestlers for Ring of Honor.

They loved working for Tommy Dreamer’s “House of Hardcore” promotion and put him over for putting on entertaining shows and having a great passion for the business.

They tell a road story while at the Wendy’s in Pikeville, KY. A grandmother came up to him and asked them to sign something for her grandson as they were his favorite wrestlers. The lady behind the counter started yelling at them and demanding to know who they were and would not leave them alone. Kazarian responded by saying that he was a man who is waiting for his “fucking chicken salad and Diet Coke.” A few minutes later, the cashier gave him something to sign. Daniels signed his name while Kazarian signed “fuck you” in cursive. Daniels told him not to take it out on the kid so Kazarian then wrote the word “son” next to it.

Final Thoughts: I thought this was a nice, brief addition to the shoot. This is also included in Kazarian’s shoot interview. It was breezy to listen to and both guys certainly seem to have a great friendship and its another interview that shines light on the incompetence that runs rampant in TNA. It also shows us that the company being behind on paychecks was indeed true. And the fact the company did not want to push this team, especially when you listen to the reasons why, sums up TNA in a nutshell.

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RF Video Shoot Interview with Christopher Daniels (2014), Disc One

21st August 2014 by Scott Keith
This interview was filmed in 2014

Disc One runs at three hours and seventeen minutes long

The interview was conducted by Rob Feinstein

They start from 1999. Daniels said he had a job at Walt Disney Imagineering and how they were cool with giving him time off to wrestle. However, he had an opportunity to tour Japan for six weeks with Michinoku Pro and Walt Disney told him that they would have to give his job away if he went and that is how Daniels became a full-time wrestler.

He was then asked what the outlook for Independent wrestlers like himself when WCW and ECW closed. Daniels said he went back and forth from Japan and the Independents and it was not too hard as he did okay with Japan. He said he was under contract when WCW closed and the WWF did not pick up his contract.
He was asked about working for Jim Kettner in ECWA with Low Ki and Daniel Bryan. He said he was doing a deal when Ki & Bryan were a tag-team that did not get along with each other. When asked about Low Ki’s personality, Daniels says that he puts 100% of his intensity in being the best wrestler he can be and said once you earn his respect, he lowers his guard and got to know him as a person.
When asked about his initial impression of the Ring of Honor concept, Daniels said at first he just thought of it as a show and did not understand the concept until later on, citing that RoH was filling the gap that the ECW fanbase wanted and he was not familiar with that. After the first five or six shows, he said the company started to pick up some steam then started to see the goals they were trying to achieve.
Daniels thought that Gabe Sapolsky, the booker, was planting the seeds for the promotions in the first few shows as he had a long-term goal and saw the bigger picture. On the subject of Gabe’s strengths and weaknesses as a booker, Daniels said he can nitpick and say that it is tough to get him to change his mindset but talks about how he always had a long-term vision. He remembers telling Dixie Carter about him, trying to push him to Dixie as someone to sign along with other wrestlers but does not know exactly why he never made it in either TNA or WWE.
He is asked about Donovan Morgan and if he is surprised that he never made it big in the United States and Daniels said that he was not due to the fact that he made a deal with Michael Modest with Pro Wrestling Noah and their focus was on Japan and being from the West Coast, it got expensive for the Northeast promotions to fly them out.
When asked about the sixty-minute Iron Man Match for the RoH Championship, he said it was his first time wrestling an hour long match and remembers how it was 100 degrees in the Murphy Rec Center.
He is asked again about Low Ki, this time why he has not stayed long in major promotions. Daniels said that in the WWE, Ki left as he saw the writing on the wall and would rather leave than spin his wheels without any momentum. Daniels said that by watching NXT, Ki was the ones that the fans wanted, despite the WWE leaning towards Joe Hennig, then talks about what it is like to have the fans behind you but not the machine and you have to decide if you would rather tread water or go somewhere else and try.
Daniels is asked about Xavier in RoH and if his title reign did not work out due to being at the wrong place at the wrong time or missing what it took to be a star. Daniels said that the fanbase mentality was that he was not as good as guys like Joe or Ki but that had him stand out as a heel who the fans felt did not deserve his spot. Personally, Daniels said he liked him and thought he was good and chalks it up to bad luck as to why he never made it as a star.
When asked about meeting AJ Styles for the first time, Daniels said that he always had good ideas and how AJ always listened to his ideas and that is why their matches gelled together. Apparently, these two have named their kids after each other. He talks about how they have gotten older, they realized that they no longer have to stuff “six pounds into a five pound bag” and to use the more is less philosophy. On AJ leaving TNA, Daniels said that he is disappointed in TNA’s mentality for letting AJ go and knows it is a business but thinks that decision will come back and bite TNA in the ass.
He know talks about how guys like Paul London and Amazing Red were able to find their niche in RoH and how that helped make the company stand out. When asked, he said that it was Gabe’s idea to put Allison Danger in the Prophecy.
Rob asks Daniels if it was right for Gabe to book people in stories when they had other commitments and expect them to be there. Daniels said people have to make decisions that benefit them financially and how he would never get mad about that and how it is part of the business.
On when he first heard about TNA being put together, he was with Low Ki and Eddie Guerrero at a WWA PPV. Both Jeremy Borash and Bob Ryder were there and he thinks Bob was the one who got him into the company. At first, he saw it as steady work as they were doing weekly shows.
He said that Jerry Jarrett was awesome and respected his work. He also thought his mentality of how he wanted to present the company was good. He knew Jeff a little bit from WCW and the WWA shows but in TNA, he was very busy putting stuff together and thought he was cool with him at first. He mentions the rumors of them going out of business after the first few months and said they never really did anything about them and liked wrestling once a week and thought it was fun to get a lot of time each week to wrestle on a National stage.
He goes back to WCW for a bit and how he was initially hired by Kevin Sullivan but after coming to the company when he finished a tour of Japan, Sullivan was fired and Russo and Bischoff were there and he was rarely ever used. He did one promo which the company hated and was going to get involved in a storyline involving Daffney but that never came to fruition.
Daniels said that he got a chance to know Russo at the beginning of TNA and how Russo liked his ideas and they became friendly. Rob then brings out Russo burying him in an interview (Kayfabe Commentaries WCW Timeline 2000) and asks what that was about. Daniels said he understood what Russo was trying to say as how some guys only cared about their match quality and not their characters and that was why they never got over. Daniels then follows that up by saying it was false and went up to Russo once, asking him how they could hide his weaknesses and build to his strengths. Daniels said that Russo’s answer to him was “Bro, your work is what is going to get you over.” When he finished up as the Curry Man, Russo said that he wanted Daniels to be the “wrestler” but then went out and lost every match. Daniels wonders if your gimmick is that you are a good wrestler but constantly lose, how are you supposed to get yourself over? He then talks about how instead of venting his frustration, he would think about try to do what the company wanted. He then mentions once exception to that in 2011, they had a talent meeting in TNA in which they were told that there was no such thing as a push and to just go out and get yourself over, adding that there is no such thing as asking too many questions. Daniels said he stood up and said that was not true as he was fired the year prior for being accused to stirring things up by asking too many questions himself then Russo told him he was let go because he was not over. Daniels regrets not telling him when he was supposed to be positioned to get over and failed, saying that he was made to look unimportant by Russo so why should be fans care about him. He then said how he was a babyface but made to look like a douchebag in that role.
When asked what Russo’s strengths were as a writer and if he got wrestling, Daniels got the impression that Russo thought he was above wrestling and really hated it to be honest. He then talks about Russo loving the Paparazzi gimmick and how he thought if it was a two-hour show it would get great ratings, prompting Austin Aries to tell him that it would be a sitcom and not wrestling if that was the case.
Daniels said that Elix Skipper left as he got hurt badly and decided to try another career that took less punishment on his body.
He talks about the XXX feud against America’s Most Wanted and how they all worked well together. Daniels said that James Storm found a new confidence he never had before after the feud as their team was viewed higher, as Storm was considered the guy behind Chris Harris, who was billed as the star. Daniels said that Harris had all of the goods but in the WWE, thinks it was probably a wake-up call of not doing well in the WWE system and once he got let go, Storm got really popular and might have had heat with the office. Daniels also said that Harris had some health problems too.
He talks about how TNA did a bad job of establishing their brand, citing people approaching Kurt Angle in the airport and asking him why he quit wrestling, despite the fact he was under a contract with TNA. He also said that there are no casual fans of TNA, just the hardcore fan. He then talks about ex-WWE talent coming to the locker room of a house show in a small city and speak about how they went from WrestleMania to this tiny show.
On working with guys like New Jack and Sandman, he said that it is up to him to adapt to his opponents style and if he wrestled that style, he knew he was going to get tossed around, the same way he knew he was going to get kicked and chopped a lot if he faced Low Ki. He also said that those guys were always safe and cool with him and said it was a fresh matchup.
Daniels said that he got along with CM Punk backstage as they both had similar interests like comic books and other wrestling. Daniels said that Punk was the one who first explained the straight-edge lifestyle to him and saw that if he could do that with his life, maintaining that focus, then he could apply that to his wrestling career. He also said that he was easy to work with while laying out matches.
He is then asked if he thought it was fair if TNA made him leave RoH, the company he worked for first. He said he wanted to work for RoH but was not in the position to leave TNA, were he was getting paid better, as he had a family to take care of and AJ was also the same way. He said that he does not like to turn down work and it tore him up to leave the company.
When asked why Joe Legend’s run in TNA did not last long, Daniels believed that there was some bad blood between Legend and Jeff Jarrett and that was the reason. On working with Michael Shane, Daniels said that some of his matches were against Michael Shane. He said that he was not surprised that he left the business but was surprised that he never got more out of it by being the cousin of Shawn Michaels. He was really impressed with Chris Sabin when he first arrived with TNA. Daniels loved working with the Naturals and puts them over for wanting to be a team and how they put in a lot of effort. He then said that he has a picture of himself as the X Division Champion and the Naturals as the Tag Champions posing with the belts.
When asked about working the 2nd Ultimate X match, Daniels said that they tried to change it up and use ladders and chairs to get the belt at first, letting that fail then reinforce the idea that you had to win by climbing up the cable. He remembers after the match was Scott D’Amore said it was disappointing. Daniels himself did not feel like it was a dangerous match but was afraid that he had a weak grip so he would practice holding himself up on a pullup bar for as long as he could leading up to the match.
On moving TNA tapings from Nashville to Orlando, he said that there was not a lot different for him but they were in front of a different audience and starting to do TV for Fox Sports Net, which got the product across to a new audience.

Daniels praises Dusty Rhodes for working in the main event and for giving him the opportunities to get over.

He then expresses frustration after asking why they are doing things are certain way then getting shot down, using a Russo impression by saying “bro.”

When asked about the Lockdown PPV concept of every match being in a cage. Someone from the creative team ran down the card and 3 or 4 matches were in cages and Jerry Jarrett jokingly said they should make every match in a cage but the creative guy took it literally.

He talks about Samoa Joe and how guys pushed for him to come to TNA for a while until they finally brought him in as some people were against it but once Joe came to TNA, he shut up his critics.

Daniels thought that it was a terrible idea to turn Joe heel and thought he should have stayed heel and Joe remain a face. He said he knew he was right the minute it happened as Joe gave him the muscle buster and the crowd instead chanted “one more time.” Daniels wanted Joe to be looked like Goldberg, with him running away all the time, but said it fell on deaf ears. He thought changing Joe from the unstoppable force was a terrible idea. On the Ultimate X match he had with Samoa Joe and AJ, Daniels said that Joe was not a fan of that type of match.

He loved teaming with AJ Styles against LAX and said how they got a huge pop at Slammiversary when they won. He also liked working with Homicide and Hernandez and ended up feuding with them when the office proposed that he and AJ defend the belts against America’s Most Wanted in an Ultimate X match but AMW refused and LAX was getting over. Daniels also said once they got rid of Konnan then turned face took a lot away from them.

When asked about working with Sting then having the feud end before it began, Daniels said that Russo told him to grow his hair and a beard and that he was going to get him over in this feud. Daniels said he was going into it with the mindset that he was playing someone who followed the old testament god about eye for an eye and to tell people that bad things happen because people are bad and that he actually wanted to go on TV and say how 9/11 and Katrina all happened because it was there fault. Daniels said that Sting was taken aback by all of that then said that the network would never let that happen. He then talks about the feud and how he was always an afterthought to Sting as they feuded. Daniels then said that Russo booked him to apologize to Sting and be his partner then turn on him again an hour later. Daniels said he told Russo it didnt make sense and he said to do it anyway. Daniels thinks that Russo believed him against Sting was not a marquee match, which Daniels was fine with but then questions why the fuck are you even having this feud to begin with then. He then talks about how the first match he was booked to lose in nine minutes to Sting and asked Russo why this was happening as he needed a win to further it along but Russo told him that it was not working and that they were going to go a different way. Daniels then told Russo how this was designed to get him over but he was never presented at any point in the feud as someone who was important enough to feud with Sting but that went nowhere. He then talks about Russo not listening to the ideas of others.

Daniels then expresses frustration about Dixie Carter when he asked her what he can do to get over more and she told him that they expected him to be the leader of XXX. Daniels then said why didnt they tell me that before hand as he was not going to overshadow the team and how their gimmick of being all equals made it work. He then said that Dixie told him to find a way to change what he was doing so Daniels typed up an email with two ideas: keeping the “Fallen Angel” nickname but being Christopher Daniels the wrestler or becoming the Curry Man, which is what ended up happening. Daniels says he wrote the email as he wants to be proactive and to get ahead.

When asked, Daniels said that he liked the Curry Man character a lot. He said that it was all about having fun and noted how his wife loved the character. He then talks about playing the Suicide character and how they needed someone to fill the role until Kazarian came back so he said that he did because he wanted to be a team player.

He said that the “Fish Market Street Fight” was a stupid idea and that Team 3D felt the same way but came up to him and said they should make it the best dumb gimmick match ever. Daniels puts them over for being funny and entertaining.

Daniels said that it meant a lot to him for Kurt Angle to give him respect as a worker. He said that his matches with Kazarian against AJ & Kurt a blast.

When asked about Samoa Joe putting over Kurt Angle, who just started out in the company, Daniels said he was disappointed the way it went and thought it was a missed opportunity. He thought that Joe should have gone over and Kurt coming out the next TV show saying that he underestimated Joe and played off of that.

He hoped that Eric Bischoff and Hulk Hogan coming into TNA would bring more notoriety to the company but though that it was too early to do air the show on Monday nights opposite of Monday Night RAW.When asked about TNA putting over the ex-WWE guys instead of their own talent when they came into the company, Daniels said that some people were upset that he put over Val Venis a month after challenging for the World Title but he just looked at it as work and understood why they did that but ultimately, it did not work out.

On how he got released, Terry Taylor called him up and said that they had to let him go because he was disruptive in the locker room. Daniels was take aback by that then later on called Dixie and ended up speaking with both her and Russo then told that the way his contract was structured and since they had no plans for him, they were going to give him a few months off then bring him back to team up with Samoa Joe.

After that, Daniels contacted RoH and he flew right in to cut a promo on Davey Richards. Daniels is asked about Davey and said that the company was putting a lot of pressure on him to be the “spirit” of the company. He also said that Davey came to him with a match layout and said that it was one of the few times that he barely made any changes to the match. Daniels said that he gelled best with Eddie Edwards during that time in RoH.

When asked about his RoH TV Title run, Daniels said he was happy about the run but a little disappointed about how he lost the belt as he suggested to Jim Cornette that he lose the belt on the first ever RoH TV Show but he was told that they wanted to promote the people who were going to be with the company and he lost the belt before that. Daniels does not know who was behind that decision.

Daniels said he got along with Cornette, who he said got him into the Dojo with Dory Funk and the “Shotgun Saturday Night” shows.

On how he got back into TNA, he got a call two days after the PPV in which Jeff Hardy showed up a mess and asked to be at the TV tapings. Daniels then said that he called Hunter Johnson (Delirious) the booker in RoH that he was going to TNA for a taping and did not want to have him hear it from someone else. Then, Cary Silkin called him and said that Daniels contract said he could only wrestle under a hood for TNA. Daniels told Silkin that he understood that he was always going back to TNA and told him that he needed to pay his billl as he had worked just one match that month and was barely getting by. Daniels then explained to Silkin is situation and they were not happy but understood where he was coming from.

He is asked about Bully Ray reinventing himself and Daniels said he has a great wrestling mind and would go to him at times for advice.

When asked about Bruce Prichard replacing Vince Russo as the Head of Creative, Daniels said that he had much of a connection with him and thinks he did not work out as the company wanted him to move to Nashville and he did not want his family to leave Texas.

Daniels said that RVD did not give the respect to the guys that they gave him. He then gives an example of how he went up to RVD before their first-ever match and just let him know what is finisher was and how it was performed and RVD responded with “Yeah, I’ve been taking that bump since 1998” and that he came off sounding like a dick.

He talks about being put in a feud with AJ and going to creative and pitching an idea of him finally beating AJ then dodging him when he wants a rematch. Daniels then said that Bruce Prichard came up to him and in a condescending manner asked him what was the most important part of wrestling, upset that he suggested that he beat AJ. Daniels said that not once in his career did he refuse to do a job to someone else and that everytime they wrestled, AJ beat him clean and where are they supposed to go with the story if he is the heel and loses cleanly in the first match. So, they then told Daniels he was going to beat AJ in a fluke manner, prompting Daniels to mention how they wondered he was not getting over.

When asked how the company changed when John Gaburik was brought into TNA, Daniels said that Gaburik called a meeting when he first came in and said that talent was a priority and wanted to get them over and talk to them about what they feel will help get them over as well. Daniels then met with Gaburik, who told him that he had watched the past month of TNA and that he hated his character most of all but now that he has met him, he gets the character, which confused Daniels. Gaburik then told him what could the film to get him over as who he could wrestle was secondary. Daniels said that he had a few ideas, one of which was a PSA on how to conduct yourself when you come across Bad Influence but never heard anything from him about any of his ideas. Then, they came out with Impact 365 and that he and Kazarian did their own stuff that they thought was entertaining but the company never did anything with them nor did they want to showcase them.

Daniels said that guys like Scott D’Amore, Konnan, Raven, Kevin Nash, and Tommy Dreamer all have great minds for the business and could run creative. He even said that when Jarrett was done being a full-time wrestler, he had a lot of good ideas. He feels that the guys writing have not wrestled or even had experience in wrestling so that their ideas do not mesh with a wrestling program and it turns into having both a variety show and a wrestling show

Speaking about the Indy scene today, Daniels said that he sees a lot of young guys that are hungry and a lot of fresh matchups.

He closes by thanking his fans for their support.

Final Thoughts: I thought this was a decent shoot interview. Do not expect to hear about road stories or parties in this disc though. Daniels spoke about his career and the frustrations he had while working in TNA. He shed a lot of insight as how TNA sees things and what they believe will get people over, which after hearing Daniels explain their thought process, you know why the company is in the place they are in now.

I also thought that Daniels came off like a good guy here. He seemed to want to help out anyone he could have and would be a good veteran presence in a company. After 12 years of being in TNA, it is easy to see how he is frustrated at how it went with all of the roadblocks he encoutnered while trying to get himself over. Although, to think that he would even be able to perform the character he wanted to do in his feud is a bit ridiculous.

Overall, I recommend this shoot. It is a bit long but Daniels comes across well and a guy who would do whatever the company asked of him, which sadly in return led to TNA walking all over him when he wanted to suggest ideas to get himself over. Daniels seems to have a good mind about the business too. He doesnt try to bury anyone but his candid about the frustrations of working in TNA. The second disc is a 54 minute long shoot with Frankie Kazarian as they talk about their time as Bad Influence.

Here is the scheudle of my reviews:

Friday: WWF Wrestling Challenge 9/21/86
Friday: RF Video Shoot Interview with Christopher Daniels, Disc Two
Saturday: RoH All Star Extravaganza 11/9/02
Sunday: WWF Superstars of Wrestling 9/27/86
Tuesday: WWF Wrestling Challenge 9/28/86
Thursday: Shoot Interview TBD

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RF Video Shoot Interview with Bret Hart, Volume 1

14th August 2014 by Scott Keith
This interview was filmed in 2000 at Bret’s home in Calgary.

It was conducted by Rob Feinstein

The interview runs at one hour and fifty-seven minutes long

Bret is first asked about his first memories of wrestling. He said that he always watched wrestling but when he got older he became interested in amateur wrestling. While in college but said he was not dedicated enough to make it far, even though he said he was good enough, and decided that he did not want to stick with it and become a “gym teacher” or whatever else amateur wrestlers become once they are finished.

He then said he started in professional wrestling in the Summer as a referee and got “smartened up” during the van rides to the shows but Bret said it was all stuff he already knew. Bret then talks about being a referee and how it was not that hard to do as it was just like being an amateur wrestling referee.
While a referee, Bret said that other wrestlers would frequently talk about wanting to break him into wrestling but Bret said they would never stop by like they said, which he was cool with because he would rather sleep. However, Bret said that two Japanese wrestlers who is father brought in after their working papers in the U.S. had expired and gave them jobs when they were going to get the boot.
Rob asks Bret if he ever trained with Dory Funk in Amarillo. Bret talks about spending every Summer down there when he was in high school and got to become close to the Funk family. Bret said that he wrestled as a jobber a few times and one of those matches was against Dennis Stamp, who Bret praises for taking care of him in the ring and calling him a good worker for his era. Bret said at the time he didn’t even know how to lockup. He said that Mr. Pogo really took liberties with him in the ring and beat the fuck out of him.
Back to training, Bret said that he spent four months training and just about all of that was learning how to fall. Bret then talks about being able to walk away from wrestling with all of his body parts intact and credits that for being taught to fall in a way that protected his body. He did mention his concussion briefly.
Bret talks about his brothers for a bit. He said that Keith was a good worker as Bruce was just “so-so.” In 1978, Bret said that his brother Bruce balked at going to Puerto Rico at the last minute so he went instead. Before that, Bret only had a few weeks worth of matches in Calgary under his belt. Bret said that he wrestled against older guys mostly but had one match against the Dynamite Kid, who potatoed him and gave him a lot of attitude as well. He jokes that he dropped about 100lbs there due to the terrible conditions and left around his 20th birthday. After that, he wrestled a bit in Amarillo and that Summer went back to Calgary and has been wrestling ever since.
Rob asks him about wrestling in Japan. Bret said that he remembers Tiger Mask hitting him with a missile dropkick that almost killed him. Bret said that he was trying to remember all of the times that he might have had concussions from wrestling. Bret said it was tough for him to adjust as he was too much of a “worker” and that in Japan, if you were on the bottom of the pecking order, the top guys on that tour would not even sell for you. Bret talks about literally having to fight through some matches and how they would do anything they could to take advantage of you. He did say that the great workers like Inoki, Tiger Mask, and Riki Chiosu would work with you to have a match. He said that the first half of his tour was “hand-to-hand combat” while the second half he had good matches.
He then talks about having unbelievable matches with the Dynamite Kid and says that he brought out a lot with him and said he got more out of Dynamite than anyone else. He talks about having the most unbelievable ladder match of all-time then mentions how the idea of the ladder match was stolen from him in the WWF. He said that Adrian Street told him it was the most unbelievable match he has ever seen.
Bret said that he never thought his matches with Bad News Allen were any good and blames that on Allen’s psychology, stating that he had a though time believing that wrestling was a work. He said that he never sold anything.
When asked about how his brother Owen got started in wrestling, Bret said that he encouraged him as at the time, he was making decent money in the WWF while in the Hart Foundation and told Owen, who was hesitant, that he could put school on hold and go back to it afterwards. A week or two later, Owen started in Stampede Wrestling. Bret talks about how wrestling opened up a lot of doors for them, despite what happened to him.
In 1984, Stu Hart sold Stampede Wrestling to Vince. Bret said that he never got any guaranteed deal with the WWF from that sale. He then said that at the All-Star Wrestling tapings in Hamilton, Dynamite Kid quit after getting just $75 as a payoff. Bret said that he stayed as he did not have the options like Dynamite did to go to Japan and become successful. He said that George Scott told him that the company had big plans for him. A minute later he joked how those big plans included him jobbing to Rene Goulet but decided to suffer through it when he saw his first check.
Bret recalls meeting with Vince, shortly after knee surgery, and how Vince stressed to him that he likes his wrestlers to work out. He said his first audition went horribly as he was hurt and at that time, they decided that he was not someone who was worthy of a push. He said that the WWF loved Dynamite and knew enough about Davey Boy that they liked him too but when they went to Japan, Bret was all by himself.
Bret then tells the story of George Scott telling him how they had a great gimmick for him as a cowboy, complete with an electric hat and an actual horse. Bret bought it at first as he was told all of the plans and they were going to make action figures. Bret then went to Scott and told him that he could not be a cowboy as he hated country music and could not ride a horse. They told him that they would have to give the gimmick to someone else, which Bret was fine with. Bret then suggested that he team with Jim Neidhart, managed by Jimmy Hart, and be called the Hart Foundation but that was shot down as Bret was told that he did not have the face to become a heel. Just a few weeks prior to the first WrestleMania, Bret called to quit. He said that he was going to regroup and hopefully return once the company had something for him then was told that he was going to be turned heel and team with Neidhart.
As a heel, Bret said that he patterned a lot of his antics after the Dynamite Kid. He said they stopped pairing him up with shitty workers like The Spoiler, Tiger Chung Lee, Terry Gibbs and Rene Goulet, who refused to even take a dropkick from Bret. Bret said that one night backstage after one of his last matches as a face against Terry Gibbs, Gibbs slammed his boots against the wall and told Bret that he never learned how to work. At that point, Bret said that he was determined to show everyone and worked hard to become a great heel.
Bret talks about having intense and bloody matches against the Bulldogs, comparing it to a cinematic masterpiece like the “Taxi Driver” then talks about how Paul Orndorff and JYD would wrestle the main event and barely do anything in the ring yet make all of the money. Bret said that he felt shafted when that happened.
Bret said that he mostly hung around with Don Muraco, Roddy Piper, and Bob Orton. He said that everyone liked Hogan, who was good to everyone in the dressing room and drew a ton of money. Bret said that everyone was happy and making money and a ton of girls were there too.
When asked about working against Ricky Steamboat, he said that he worked with him twice, once at the Boston Garden and another time in Washington. Bret said that he was pissed when Hercules wrestled Steamboat at WrestleMania II instead of himself. However, when they wrestled in Washington, Bret said that Steamboat went all out to make him look great. Bret calls him one of the easiest guys to work with and how he had a great psychology.
Bret confirms the rumor that the Dynamite Kid refused to drop the Tag Team Titles to the Iron Sheik & Nikolai Volkoff and only wanted to drop them to the Hart Foundation. Dynamite told the office that only one team deserved the belts, which was them. Bret also said that just before that, Vince saw Bret in the pink tights in the cafeteria and he loved it, telling them that was their look. Bret talks about Dynamite working through the injury to put them over and feels grateful.

Rob asks him what led to his singles push around WrestleMania IV, Bret said was the first big lie that the WWF told him. He said that Vince called him right before the show and he sensed that something was up. Vince told Bret that they had more fan mail than any other wrestler in the company. Bret said that he did not believe he had more than Hogan but is just going by what Vince told him. Vince told Bret that would lead into a face push and Bret bought into all of the merchandising that went along with it but he just ended up jobbing to Bad News Brown then went back to tagging against Demolition then Rhythm & Blues as a face team. Bret puts over Demolition, especially Bill Eadie, for being great workers.

He now talks about the match in which they dropped the belts to the Rockers but the match never made it to air. Bret said that after they got the belts from Demolition, they did a t-shirt shoot for the magazine. Vince then called them in his office and said he would tell them one at a time about the news he had for them. Neidhart came out first and Bret sensed something was up but unable to tell if it was good or bad news. So, Bret came in and Vince told him he was going to drop the belts to the Rockers and Bret would given a singles push. Bret asked about Jim and Vince said he was not sure and they were considering having him be an announcer. Bret said that he felt bad as Jim was a great partner but a good break for him. Bret then talks about the match against the Rockers and said how it was pathetic  as the rope broke and Bret thinks that Jim might have done it on purpose as he was not happy about the direction the company had for him. Bret then talks about the referee being terrible and how he was basically trying as Bret told him the show was taped and he could fix the rope as he had Shawn in a chinlock. Bret said they were all crushed as they had a crap match and knew they could do better. A few weeks later, after Bret pleading with the office to let them have another match as the first one was embarrassing, Jim told him at a taping in Milwaukee that they were not splitting up the team and keeping the belts. Bret said that Vince told him after that his push would happen. He then talks about how Vince would give him report cards at the time and how he was steadily improving.

Bret had no problem at all dropping the belts to the Nasty Boys at WrestleMania VII. He said the match was good and rememvers Macaulay Culkin sitting in the front row and how he looked upset after they lost. After that, they told Bret that they were going to put him in a program with Curt but Bret said he was not going to do it as he knew he was going to lose. Curt worked a program with Davey Boy, who returned to the company, then after that, Curt put over Bret at SummerSlam 1991. He said that Curt put him over out of a sign of respect and that Curt was really hurting bad at the time. Bret said that the match was not as good as it could have been because of his injury but Curt toughed it out. Bret said they were having great matches at house shows prior at the time.

When asked about working with Jacques Rougeau, Bret said that he was critical of him for working light in the ring, like the Honky Tonk Man, but looking back said it was a night off in the ring with him and he had heat with the fans. Bret then talks about working a six-man teaming with the Bushwhackers and they tore the house down doing a goofy style and the fans dug him swinging his arms like the Bushwhackers did coming down the aisle.

Bret said that he found out he was losing the Intercontinental Title to Piper suddenly then tells the story of how they went to the restaurant and how Piper laid out the match they way he wanted do. Bret said it was a gamble to blade at the time.

He then talks about how Vince wanted him to drop the belt at SummerSlam. Bret said he would drop it to either Shawn or Davey. Bret told Vince about the ladder match and how he wanted Shawn and Bret to try it out before they went with it and Bret told Vince to promise him he would not allow anyone else to do the match. When it was decided that the show was going to be held in England, Bret told Vince that he would get a great match out of Davey and they went with that. Despite the fact that Davey was partying all Summer and out of shape, Bret said that he worked hard enough for the both of them and said it was one of the only times you catch him talking in the ring, which Bret said is a sign of a bad worker. Bret then said this match put him on the map and puts over how Ric Flair and Randy Savage watched the match at the hotel then knocked on Bret’s door afterwards and shook his hand, telling him that it was the greatest match that they have ever seen.

Bret then talks about how he was told that there was four names on a sheet of paper of people they were going to put the World Heavyweight Championship on and he was one of them. Bob Backlund and Randy Savage were two other names on the list. Bret did not think it would happen though. After wrestling Flair while in Europe, he was at a TV taping in Saskatoon and told that night he was going to win the belt. He understood that Flair was fine with dropping the belt and talked about how they had differences in the ring, citing that Flair came from a different era. Bret puts over Ric for being fit and joked that he called him “30 minutes of non-stop psychology.”

He talks about how Razor Ramon was still green and how it was not easy to work with him back then but thinks he is a better worker now. He feels conflicted about him as a person as he can be nice but also feeds off of others and can be nasty. Bret hopes he can straighten himself out.

When asked about working with Jerry Lawler, Bret first said how he was supposed to work against Hogan but thinks that the office was playing them against each other. Bret talks about how the WWF tried to destroy Hogan at the end of his run but Hogan would not let them do that. Bret was pissed that Yokozuna was getting the belt and the money that went along with that. Bret said he was disappointed originally that he feuded with Lawler as a result but said they had good matches. Bret said that Lawler “stiffed the shit” out of him with his scepter at the King of the Ring 1993 and Bret wanted to kill him afterwards. However, Bret said that he got his revenge as he punched him a few times then put him in the Sharpshooter for five minutes. Bret said he eased him into the move at first so Lawler would not resist it then he cranked it on as hard as he could. In the locker room afterwards, Bret claimed that Lawler was crawling around on the ground. Overall, Bret said that Jerry was fun to work with and a night off in the ring.

Bret then talks about getting the rights to his name and how he asked help from veterans like Piper in order to do that.

He then talks about how they wanted him to do a program with Bruce but Bret said that he was not a good worker. Owen was going to quit at the time to become a fireman and originally going to be used as fodder to Bruce but he said if he did the feud involving his family, it would be against Owen. Bret said there first few matches were crappy as they worked out a bunch of different ways to do their match at WrestleMania X and worked it out just five days before the show. He said the match was awesome and calls Owen fun to work with in the ring. Bret hoped that they would feud for a long time then reunite several years later.

Originally, Bret thought the office was joking when they wanted him to drop the belt to Bob Backlund and thought it was a dumb idea but after they explained to him how Bob lost the belt, he thought it was a shitty way to drop the belt and completely changed his mind and agreed to drop the belt. He then said that he wished Shawn Michaels could have learned from that. Bret puts over Bob for being a great guy who would give you birthday cards and bought cases of beer for the young guys.

Bret talks about Diesel winning the belt and how he thought it was premature at the time. He then talks about how he taught him a lot about psychology and credits himself for Diesel’s improvement in the ring. Bret said he liked Diesel a lot and wanted him to get over. Bret then talks about Shawn and how he turned himself face in order to protect himself as the champ.

On working with some of the lower card guys like Jean-Pierre Lafitte and Hakushi, Bret puts them over as being good in the ring. He then talks about how he still wanted to get Diesel over and pitched an idea to Vince about working a match with Diesel and go through a table and winning the title in a fluke but later give the title back to Diesel. Vince then told him a few days later that he was going to do the match but instead of Bret dropping the title back to Diesel, he was going to drop it to Shawn. Bret said he did not have a problem putting over Shawn then and considered him being a friend. He does mention the Kliq having influence and thinks they orchestrated the title changes that happened. Bret then says the problem he had with Shawn was that he wanted to be treated with a little respect and did not feel he was the guy to drop it to Shawn to begin with.

Bret then said that the Iron Man Match he had with Shawn was specifically designed to blow him up and make Shawn look good. Bret then talks about Shawn’s ego and how out of control it was at the time and how Shawn said he could draw with HHH, Sean Waltman, Nash, and Hall as the champion, which Bret said sets a bad example for the business and thinks that wrestling is the way it is today due to that type of thinking. Bret said that Shawn was too insecure about his ability and had to backstab and play politics to stay ahead. Bret said that Shawn had the ability. Bret also said that you could watch the match and Shawn sandbagged him and also potatoed him a few times. He said the match was more of a contest and a classic Japanese match. Bret said that the match was great and says that Shawn saying he was ducking his calls to put together the match was not true at all. Bret said that three weeks after Shawn won the belt, ratings went down and they were losing to WCW.

After that, Bret took time off and did some acting. He was then asked about WCW offering him a contract. Bret said that he met with Eric Bischoff and gave him an outrageous number because he wanted to stay with the WWF. Bret then said that Bischoff said they could work with that number but Bret said that control over his character was more important than the money and that was what he had with Vince and the WWF.

Bret talks about how Steve Austin came to his house and said that he needed to come back as Shawn was bad for business. Bret said that when he came back to wrestle Austin at the 1996 Survivor Series, Jim Ross and Vince buried him on commentary and Bret then told Vince to break-off their deal if he was unhappy but Vince told Bret that he would not have made the deal if he was unhappy with it.

Bret then confirms that he was supposed to win the belt at WrestleMania 13. He then talks about how he pitched an idea to Shawn that Summer about him coming back and catching his foot on a super kick attempt then snapping his ankle, complete with a sound effect, and make Shawn tap out then head back to the locker room with the belt and refusing to shake his hand, playing off of the Iron Man Match. This would lead to Shawn coming back afterwards, giving Shawn his time off too, and kicking Bret’s ass for the belt. Bret then said that Shawn told him he liked the idea but in reality he hated it and did not want to lose the belt at all. He then talks about how Vince was playing them against each other and that Shawn bought into all of it and denies ever saying anything about his family, something Shawn accuses him of doing. Bret admits talking about the Playgirl magazine shoot and apologized to Shawn afterwards then was given approval from Shawn to continue making cracks about that.

He then talks about Shawn’s injury and said at first he gave him the benefit of the doubt and would see if he was hurt when he came back but when Shawn came back and looked fine and the locker room speculated he was full of shit, that is how the bad blood between the two started. Bret then said later on after that, Shawn told him with tears almost in his eyes that the injury was legit and Bret thought they buried the hatchet after that but when Shawn made the “Sunny Days” comment, everyone go pissed at Shawn. Bret then points out how there is more evidence that a homosexual relationship between Vince and Shawn took place than a sexual relationship between himself and Sunny. He even said how the comment went over his head at first but his family was really pissed about that as were some of the older wrestlers.

Bret touches upon Shawn’s battles with substance abuse and how he was flirting with death at the time. He said he was in the same class as Hall, Waltman, Davey, and Louis Spicolli at the time. Bret also said that Shawn was a huge basket case at this time and claims that he never hurt Shawn in the ring or anyone else for that matter.

About his locker room fight with Shawn, Bret said that they were supposed to face off at King of the Ring but he had a hurt knee and with Shawn being all doped up, he did not trust that he could protect him in the match. This then led to a fight that Bret said was more of a school-fight as he had a bad knee. Bret then talks about Vince taking his side but later on felt it was all just part to set him up for the incident in Montreal.

On the 1997 Survivor Series, Bret said that Shawn and HHH were in on what happened. He said that he knew HHH ws part of it when he was not at the Gorilla position when he came back from the match. This leads to Bret talking about Shawn being insecure and backstabbing to hold on to the title and how he had the talent to succeed at being the champ without doing any of that. When asked if he would do the same thing to Vince (hitting him), Bret said yes and he wished he laid in a few more shots.

Bret talks about WCW and how he never understood what they were doing with him. He also said they hired the wrong guys and never thought what he was doing made any sense as he would have a partner one week then feud with him the next and overall, there was never any rhyme or reason to what they did. Bret said Vince surrounded himself with smart guys who knew the business

He liked Vince Russo and what he was trying to do for him but also said that he didnt know the business enough to succeed in the role that he had in WCW.

Next, Bret talks about the idea he proposed for a feud against Goldberg. He was going to start a winning streak so he could lead up to a feud against Goldberg. He would call him out in Toronto and that would start a program and Bret talked about how he could teach Goldberg to become a better worker too. Goldberg agreed as did Bischoff but after that, Bret was teaming up in tags and they did not stick to the original plan. When they finally got to Toronto, with Bret putting over other guys in the process, Bischoff wanted him to turn heel on Canada. Bret told him that the fans were chanting his name and that it was a stupid idea. Bischoff then proposed that Hogan come out and slap hands with Bret then turn on him, which Bret thought was stupid as Hogan was not going to be working with him or Goldberg so it made little sense. He then said he was told that Hogan had to shoot down the idea in order for him not to do it so Bret went up to Hogan and explained it to him and Hogan told Bret that he agreed with him. After that, Goldberg was pissed .The tape finishes after that.

Final Thoughts: Although it is almost fifteen years old, this is still a good interview. Bret does have a great memory, which makes it good to listen to him discuss wrestling. He is still completely full of himself though. That will never change. Bret did seem in good spirits for this interview at least and happy about his career.

There was some audio problems in the video that made it hard to hear at times but it is still watchable. Overall, I recommend this interview. Even though Bret has said a lot of what he did here in other interviews and his book, this is still a solid listen. Bret also filmed a second shoot, as well as one with Neidhart and another as part of the “Behind Closed Doors” series.

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Saturday: RoH Glory by Honor 10/5/02
Sunday: WWF Wrestling Challenge 9/14/86
Tuesday: WWF Superstars of Wrestling 9/20/86
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RF Video Shoot Interview with Shawn Daivari

31st July 2014 by Scott Keith

This was filmed in 2013

The Interview was conducted by Rob Feinstein
It runs at one hour and thirty-eight minutes long
The interview begins with Feinstein asking Daivari if he grew up a wrestling fan. He said that he did and grew up watching the AWA as he lived in Minnesota. He also got into wrestling again in high school during the “Monday Night War” era.
His favorites as a young kid were Hulk Hogan and Sting. When he got older, he became more into the actual wrestling side and became fans of Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels. 
Daivari had his first match at age 15. His plans were to graduate from high school then go down to the WCW Power Plant and learn to be a wrestler, as it was the only advertised wrestling school. A friend of his told him about Eddie Sharkey and Daivari got in contact with him and it cost $2,000 for training. 
He said that while training, only a few of them took it seriously. Daivari said that he was with Austin Aries, Ken Kennedy, and ODB and they were all serious as everyone else was content with staying on the local independent scene and did not want to branch out. 
Daivari said that Sheik Adnan Al Kaissie took a liking to him and helped him out a lot, even taking him out to dinner. He also said that the best way to learn is by being in the ring. 
His first impression of Austin Aries was that he was a dick. Daivari said that Aries was rude towards him but at the same time, Daivari was 15 years old while Aries was in his twenties and Daivari thinks that he might have been annoying by doing “kid things.” He talks about when they had to drive 300 miles, he got all fucked up on Mike’s Hard Lemonade and they had to pull over every twenty minutes so he could puke. Daivari said that he got to know Aries after a while and how some still say that he is a dick, he just marches to the beat of his own drum. Daivari said that Kennedy is one of his best friends and they used to live and travel together. At that time, Kennedy and ODB dated and they all lived together. Daivari said that Kennedy would watch over him on the road. Daivari also said that he also hung out with Punk and Cabana during this time. 
His first major break was at the 2004 ECWA “Super 8” show. Tyson Dux got hurt and could not compete so Aries put in a word with Jim Kettner and that was how he got a shot. Daivari said that they all helped each other out at that time. He said that Kennedy was the first to get a push in the WWE but Punk eclipsed him when he became popular. 
Daivari also said that Punk was a dick to him when they first met. He also said that Punk thought he was a jabroni because he had a website before he even wrestled in his first match. Daivari said looking back, he would have probably done the same thing. He also said that Punk helped him get into Ring of Honor. 
Speaking about Punk, Daivari knew that he would become popular as not only is he really popular but he looks different and carries himself like a star. When asked about Colt Cabana, he said that he was handcuffed by the WWE. 
When he made his RoH debut, Daivari said that it was cool. He also said that the match went okay and that Gabe Sapolsky booked him for a few more dates but some of the shows were very long drives. 
Before he got signed by the WWE, Daivari said that he wrestled in sixteen dark matches. He wondered what he had to do to get signed and why they kept bringing him back if they did not want to sign him to a deal. Daivari mentioned how Tom Prichard and Michael Hayes vouched for him but they also had OVW and HWA as developmental territories and they had some guys that wrestled in WCW and ECW so there was no room for him. He thinks that after those guys started to trickle away, they started to look at the independent guys to fill those slots. 
His first WWE dark match was with Austin Aries. Daivari said that they tore it up and got a standing ovation from the crowd. When they got back to the Gorilla position, Gerry Brisco told them it was the best dark match they have ever had and some of the other guys they were bringing in at that time told them they would be brought into the company but nothing ended up happening. He ended up working with the ECW guys like Tommy Dreamer, Stevie Richards, and the Dudley Boyz. When he and Aries wrestled the Dudley’s in a dark match, Bubba went up to them and said they were put in a dark match because they were fucking with them and to go out and tear it up. After the match Vince apologized to Bubba, who told him that it was a shame the match was not on RAW and walked off. 
He finally got a job with the WWE when they developed the Mohammed Hassan character. Daivari said that Tom Prichard got him in as a manager after he told WWE officials that if they were not going to use him as a wrestler, then make him a manager. Daivari was brought to OVW initially to tag with Hassan but Vince came down and wanted Hassan to be the singles star and for Daivari to be the manager and that was how he got signed. In four weeks, they were in Stanford, CT taping vignettes. 
Daivari said that he was in OVW for less than a month. He was there with guys he considers friends like Carlito, Chris Masters, and Bobby Lashley.
When they first arrived together in the WWE, Daivari said that Hassan had a tough time in the locker room as he had never been there before. Hassan was trained and only wrestled in OVW while Daivari had over a dozen dark matches and they remembered him and he developed friendships and would go out drinking with them. He said that he was training with Benoit within weeks and hanging out with Randy Orton, briefly menitoning how they would toss out firecrackers from cars. He also said that they would fuck with Hassan constantly.

Feinstein asks Daivari who would mess with Hassan and to provide an example. Daivari said that Bob Holly and Bradshaw fucked with him a lot then tells a story when they toured Japan. Bradshaw, Holly, Undertaker, and Charlie Haas called him and Hassan down to the bar. Chris Jericho was there and saw what was going on and asked if they needed both of them and they said “just the big one” so Jericho tool Daivari and they went out drinking. He has no idea what happened to Hassan.

Daivari then tells another story. Hassan was a using the camel clutch as a finisher and Eddie Guerrero was using the move in his matches. Kurt Angle told Hassan that he should protect his finisher and Hassan went up to Eddie and told him about not using the move. Eddie then asked Hassan who invented the move and he said the Iron Sheik then Eddie corrected him and said that it was his dad who invented the move and it was done with but once word got out to the rest of the locker room, the veterans started to rag on Hassan for being disrespectful. He also tells another story of John Laurinatis and Gerry Brisco getting into an argument on a tour bus that ended with Johnny yelling at Brisco just to make sure that all of the fucking bags get off of the bus. Brisco then started to angrily take the bags off and asked Hassan, who was holding his own bag, to give it to him. Hassan said no a few times and had no idea what was going on and Brisco ended up taking it and that although it was just an isolated incident, word spread to the rest of the locker room and Hassan got heat for that. Daivari then added how he went back for a dark match in 2010 and that the locker room was totally different and stuff like that would never happen and if Mark broke in at that time, he would have probably made it in the WWF.

When asked if Hassan cracked due to the locker room, Daivari said that he never sold it but quit after they dropped the Hassan character.

On his initial impression of Vince McMahon, he said they did a pretape and Vince was watching the playback and asked what was wrong and when no one said anything, Vince yelled at the top of his lungs if anyone saw what was wrong and they saw that a cord was shown hanging in the background. Daivari said that Vince was always cool with him and that they would go into his office and talk a lot. He then said that Stevie Richards told him he was an idiot for doing that but Daivari said Vince was always cool with him and that was why he kept going back to his office.

He is asked about working with Hulk Hogan and Eugene at WrestleMania 21, he said they had no idea until the day of the show that the angle was going to happen. Daivari said that Pat Patterson, who was always Hogan’s agent, came up with the whole thing. When asked, Daivari said that Hogan was awesome to work with.

Daivari said that he found out he was working with Shawn Michaels on RAW when he was at the gym with Molly Holly and got a call from the office if he had his gear with him because he was going to wrestle HBK. Daivari said he was told that he was going to work with a four-week long program with HBK but it got switched after two weeks. Daivari added that he thought they were joking when told he was doing a program with HBK.

He loved working with William Regal & Tajiri. Daivari said that he hung out a lot with Jericho, who jokingly called him his “Pet Arab” but doesnt remember a lot of their matches.

When asked about the London bombings ending their gimmick, Daivari said that they filmed the piece on Tuesday and the actual bombings happened early Thursday morning. He said that Smackdown was already in the can at that point and it was aired, with one reporter wrote how it was distasteful, thinking it was a live show then when it was on the AP Wire, the network wanted the characters off of the network.

After that, Vince told Daivari that he was going to be called “George W Bush” and come out dressed like the Apollo Creed character from “Rocky.” That night, Daivari went up to Stephanie and said that the gimmick would tank and she agreed with him and convinced Vince to pull the plug on the character. Daivari also said that Stephanie was more hands-on than Vince.

He went down to the Deep South Developmental territory and Laurinaitis asked him to find a partner, as he thought Daivari needed to be paired with a big guy. However, Cena was feuding against Kurt Angle, who was the heel but getting cheered, so they decided to put Daivari with Angle so he would get heel heat. After that, they put him with other heels, like Khali and Mark Henry to get them heat.

When asked about the Undertaker, Daivari said that he was always cool in and out of the ring. He also said that Taker would always pay for bar tabs. He said that he would even show up for just a half-hour and leave then at the end of the night when they went to pay, they were told that Taker already took care of the tab.

Daivari is asked about his time in Deep South and if he had any horror stories about Bill DeMott. Daivari said that he never saw DeMott hurt anyone but at the same time, never thought that what he did would be necessary for someone to become the next WWE Champion. He said that doing Hindu squats are not going to make you a champ then went on to explain how his drills were all basic stuff that you would pick up after thirty days in wrestling school, even adding that he is not the best wrestler in the world himself. Then he adds that guys who had never wrestled or trained might need those drills though. He also said that it might not have been DeMott’s decision to train the way he did either.

He is asked about John Cena and Daivari said that he was cool. He also said that they were drinking buddies. He also said that Cena never let him pay for anything when they traveled. Daivari also mentioned how Cena would change in the locker room with everyone else and not in Vince’s office. When asked who would change in Vince’s office (he is referring to Vince’s office in the arena), Daivari said that HHH, Batista, and sometimes Orton would change in there. Daivari said that those guys would change in Vince’s office on RAW and not the house shows.

When asked about how he got to work with Mark Henry, Daivari said that he was with Kurt Angle when Batista got hurt and they needed a top face for Smackdown. Daivari said that Angle told him they originally asked Shawn Michaels but he did not want to go to so they switched Angle to Smackdown, who was getting cheers anyway.

Daivari said that Henry was cool and they would chill at strip club together. He also said that Henry would bend silverware and frying pans too. He then tells a story of how Henry went to pick up a car and the bumper basically crumbled in his hands and they took off after that happened.

He is now asked about working with writers and agents. Daivari said when things go off script in a segment, Vince blames the writers and agents instead of the talent. He then said that the head writer only works with he main event guys. He also said that Michael Hayes was specifically assigned to him and the Great Khali when they worked together and said that happened when Khali told Daivari that he could understand Hayes when he tried to talk with him (Khali did not speak English) so Daivari told Stephanie that Hayes could work with Khali. Daivari jokingly refers to Hayes as the “Khali Whisperer.”

On when he went to ECW, Daivari said that he was pissed on how he wound up there. He said the original plans for WrestleMania 23 were for Hulk Hogan, with Donald Trump in his corner, against Khali with Vince McMahon in his corner. But Hogan did not come to terms with the WWE and they already split Daivari from Khali so he had nothing to do at all and his split from Khali wound up being unnecessary as a result. He then talks about how he learned that it is much better to be a hot act rather than a wrestler as his last two years in the company he was wrestling every night but on secondary show instead of being involved with the top storylines.

He talks about his first match in ECW, which was against Shannon Moore. Daivari said that match killed him as they wanted him to go out and squash Moore but he considered him a friend and decided to give him some offense but Vince saw two guys who were not over and wanted to see a heel destroy the babyface.

Daivari talks about the Cruiserweight Division and how the company did not care about it but did like Shane Helms and made him the champion, who rarely ever defended the belt. Daivari said they got a little bit of confidence in him again and when Helms turned face, they brought him over to Smackdown and he beat him. He said that he was supposed to face Helms at a PPV for the belt and thinks he was supposed to go over but the week before the show it was scrapped and they decided to have a gauntlet match as he was told that cruiserweights do not draw. Daivari said it ended up being good then they decided to have all sorts of gauntlet matches and six-man tags but no focus on the belt.

When asked if he felt that his character was racist, Daivari said not at all and that was how he got to make it to the WWE and on the independent scene, that is the character they want to see him play too.

On how he left the WWE, Daivari said that they offered him a contract but he was coming off of his worst year creatively and did not want to get signed and have to ride the bench with nothing to do because when that happens, it is a lot harder to get work elsewhere so he decided to leave when his contract expired.

He got booked in All Japan through the Great Muta and said that it was awesome. He wrestled with Silver King as a partner a first. Daivari said he was wrestling a Japanese style at first then Silver King pulled him aside and old him that they brought him in to wrestle an American style so he switched it up and he got more over as a result. During his next tour of All Japan, he worked with the Great Muta in the main event and found out it was due to him being broken-down and the fact that Daivari worked the easier American style of wrestling.

On how he got into TNA, Daivari said that Bert Prentice used to book him when he first started out and did some dark matches when they were doing the weekly PPV shows. He met with Terry Taylor then a few weeks later Scott D’Amore said that he was among the top of the list of new guys they wanted to bring into the company. He made is debut as the captain of the World X Cup team then after that he signed a contract.

Daivari tells a funny sorry about when he was filming vignettes in Houston. They filmed him at a power plant and someone called law enforcement and Homeland Security arrived and saw him dressed up in a turban and the guys from Spike showed their press passes but they were told they had to leave.

He talks about how they played a prank on Billy Gunn in TNA when they told the flight attendant to announce over the loudspeaker that it was Gunn’s 65th birthday. When they got to TV,they had a wrestler’s court, which Daivari said resulted because there was so much downtime during the tapings and he ended up taking a plea bargain, which was to buy a case of beer for the locker room. He also said that someone was the bailiff and he cannot remember who it was but when Vince Russo tried to enter, they threw him out. Daivari said that he was in the first segment of that taping then left after that to get the beer and saw that a Walmart was right next door then bought some supplies and ended up making a bar in the locker room that was up for about a year but Universal Studio’s made them tear it down. He said there were bottles of Grey Goose and beers on ice and he made signs that read “Talent Only” and they had a party that night.

When asked about the politics in TNA, Daivari said that once Russo became the Head of Creative, he told him that he disliked his act and started to strip away pieces of his act. He then said that it got worse as his contract was based off of TV and PPV payoffs and he was barely being used. He then said one night he got drunk and flipped out on Russo, which led to him getting fired.

He talks about how Jarrett told him he was going to be the head of the World Elite stable and from that, the Main Event Mafia was going to turn face and that feud to lead into a match at the Lockdown PPV. Russo ended up replacing Jarrett as Head of Creative and told Daivari that he was going to be replaced as the leader of World Elite with Eric Young. Daivari said that Russo fucked over his money as Daivari was only on house shows under Russo and he barely made any money off of those payoffs.

After TNA, he went to Ring of Honor. He said once Adam Pearce was replaced as the booker, he was done as he made more money than the main event guys but was wrestling the opening matches. He liked his time with the company and made a lot of new friends.

When asked about working for Jarrett’s Ring Ka King promotion, he first talks about how Jarrett had talks with the Speed network for a wrestling show that involved racing as well called “All Wheels Wrestling” and from that they went to India.

Daivari said that India was rough and tells a few stories. He talks about how he was with Abyss and had some rubies that were worth about $10 in American currency and a homeless child tugged on his shirt for money and Abyss gave him some rubies then after that, all sorts of kids came up to him and he kept giving them money until they got into the cab to go to the airport. He then tells a story of how a few of the guys wanted to get some weed and thinks that something got lost in translation when they talked about getting high and had a guy knock on their door with a brick of black tar heroin for them.

Feinstein asks him about the incident on the train. There was a belligerent drunk on the train spouting off racial obscenities right in front of him and really targeted one guy who got on the train. An elder Chinese man told the guy to be quiet and he flipped out on him then took off his backpack and Daivari did not know what he had inside of it so he decided to take the guy down and put him in a chokehold. He said that the police were not going to come and the guy was twice his size but the train stopped and he dragged him out then the train pulled away. He said that it wasn’t until two days later when TMZ emailed him about what happened.

He is asked about Chris Benoit. Daivari said they became friends in the WWE and how he looked up to him as a child. He said that the police contacted after the incident as he was one of the last people that texted him. He was in a ton of shock when it happened and still seems to be that way too.

When asked which wrestler’s death hit him the hardest, Daivari said that it was Lance Cade’s. He said that he saw Lance a week before he passed away and was all fucked up on drugs and said that maybe if he went to someone about it, he could have gotten help.

Daivari said that the Wellness Policy is awesome as his friends are no longer dying from drug overdoses. When asked, he said that the drug use has calmed down a lot because there are no consequences for their actions as when you are suspended, you lose a lot of money.

On his future, he said that he would love to have another “money” run but does not know if it will happen again and said that he was in the right place at the right time before in the WWE.

He closes by saying that as a heel, he hopes that he does not have many fans because that means he was doing his job right and you were paying attention to his opponent. Daivari rushed this a bit as he wanted to leave to hit up a strip club.

Final Thoughts: I thought this was a good interview. Daivari speaks fast and kept the interview moving. He definitely loves to go out drinking and hit up strip clubs too. Seems like a cool guy to hang out with.

Besides Russo, he never went out of his way to bury anyone and never took himself too seriously. Also, it shines light as to how the WWE locker room still was like the “Wild West” as he put in several years ago and I wondered how many young careers that atmosphere ruined myself.

Overall, this is a solid shoot interview and a breeze to watch.

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Saturday: RoH Invades Boston 8/24/02
Sunday: WWF Championship Wrestling 8/23/86
Tuesday: WWF The Big Event 8/28/86
Thursday: 1992 WWE Timeline as told by Bret Hart

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RF Video Shoot Interview with Billy Jack Haynes, Disc Two

25th July 2014 by Scott Keith

This disc runs at one hour and ten minutes long

The disc leaves off at Haynes talking about how he was in great shape at age 42 while in the USWA. He then said that he was going up against WWF guys weekly. He said that he teamed with Brian Lee to face Luger & Davey Boy Smith and told Lawler that they were drawing great cards but Lawler told him that it was because of the WWF guys.

Haynes said that after four months, he went to Jerry Jarrett, who told Haynes that they were not going to put him in a position to hire Haynes as Hogan was given a higher position in the company. Since Haynes told the news channels in 1992 that he injected steroids with Hogan he was not going to get hired. He then tells a story of when he went to a WCW show in St. Petersburg and saw Randy Savage, telling him that he was going to shoot on Hogan in the locker room and asked if he would have his back. Haynes claims that Hogan was telling people that if Haynes came around, he would kick his ass. So, Haynes said he went into Hogan’s dressing room and asked him about what he had been saying about kicking his ass. Haynes said that Hogan backpedaled and claimed that he has nothing to do with who gets hired in WCW, which Haynes said was bullshit, then says maybe Hogan’s nuts will grow back after he stops taking steroids and challenge him to a fight. He finishes the story by saying how he told Hogan that he took steroids, also accusing him of doing a lot of cocaine, then finishes by telling Hogan that he was great for the business but a shitty worker and he left. Haynes then said that Savage went up to him and said that he heard everything. Haynes then talks about boxing Hogan and how he loves UFC and said that he wished he had the chance to get into that.

After that, Haynes left wrestling and became a collector. He said he retired from wrestling and was broke. When asked how he got into that business, Haynes said that a “particular gang” talked to him as Haynes said he transported marijuana in his truck and was paid $15,000 to drive to Santa Clarita, CA and drive back once he does the deal. He said the money and drugs were kept in a locked toolbox built into the truck. Haynes said that he got 10% of the gross and made $30,000 on his second run and $45,000 on his 3rd. He then tells a crazy story that happened on his fourth run, he was given $60,000 to stop somewhere in Sacramento and overheard the guys, who spoke Spanish, say how it was cocaine they were dropping off and Haynes was worried as that would be a life sentence in prison if caught. So, Haynes pulled over on the side of the road and took a crowbar and pried open the toolbox in the truck. He did not find drugs but found $1.2 million dollars in a black leather bag. Haynes said that he ended up driving to Reno then back to Portland where he saw the guy he was collecting for and told him that he ran into a problem. Haynes then said that the guy had a gun in his waist and reached for it but took him down and beat the shit out of him. He then said that he put him in a chicken wing and the guy was shitting his pants after throwing his gun. Haynes also said that he frisked him, as Haynes had a .38 on him, and told him that he was taking $200,000 as his 10% and claims that he heard the guy shit his pants. Haynes then said that Buzz Sawyer did not commit suicide and was killed by this same drug cartel. Haynes said he did not feel bad for transporting pot as he called it harmless but never would have knowingly done it with cocaine.

They take a break and when they come back, Haynes talks about how he just saw Luger during the break. He says that he looked fucked up and they all agreed then Haynes said that when Lex got up to shake his hand, he called him “Randy”, thinking that he was the Macho Man. Haynes thinks that Luger has been doing a ton of cocaine.

Haynes then talks about his fight with Iron Mike Sharpe. He said that he told Blackjack Lanza that there was going to be a fight and that he did not want him to break it up and he was fine with that. He then said that about twenty guys formed a circle and Sharpe kept on throwing jabs as Haynes wanted to test him and talks about how he got caught a few times but channeled Ken Norton and jabbed Sharpe with an uppercut and laid into him. He finished the fight and ended up kicking Sharpe in the face, something that Haynes regrets. After that, Bob Orton jumped in to help Sharpe and tried to take out Haynes but was intercepted by Harley Race, who grabbed him by the throat and this almost turned into a locker room brawl and Vince McMahon fired him. However, Sharpe went up to Vince later that day and admitted that he started the fight and that saved Haynes’ jobs. Haynes then said that he was making $8,000 a week at the time and talks about what kind of job can you make that much without a union and can get fired at anytime. Haynes then said that he made 27,000 in one week working a six-man tag teaming with Piper and Hogan against Orndorff, Hercules, and Adonis.

He talks a bit about Piper after his name was mentioned and says that he is completely full of shit. Haynes said that after Piper claimed to be a three-time state boxing champion, he asked him how that could happen seeing as he quit school at age fifteen and Piper tried to correct himself.

Haynes now talks about how he used to be a strongman and would kick in the doors of crack houses and that he got caught one day and went in front of a judge and got five years probation instead of five years in prison.

He also talks about how he made three suicide attempts. His said that he overdosed on 90 tabs of Vicodin on one occasion and was in his apartment for about three days and covered in vomit. He then says not to ever do that. He also said that he put a gun in his mouth at his friend’s house. Haynes then said that he went to his parents grave and took ten aspirins and a white sheet on the ground then stabbed himself in the forehead with the intention of soaking the sheet with blood so it could reach his parents who were in the ground. The cops came and Haynes was admitted to an inpatient psychiatric unit. He said that he was completely fucked up at the time.

When asked about Gino Hernandez’s death, Haynes said that he was murdered. He then said how he was only in World Class for several months in early 1985 and the whole territory was fucked up on drugs. Haynes said that he rode with Hernandez a few times and recalls wrestling once in Corpus Christi, TX and that Hernandez was dating a 15 year old girl and that girl’s dad told Gino that if he saw her again, he would kill him but Gino ignored the guy and saw the girl and a few weeks after Haynes left, Gino was dead.

Haynes is asked about Ric Flair and what he thinks about him still being on top today. Haynes said that there are two reasons for older guys sticking around: ego or that they love the business.

On guys who he thinks has potential to make it big today, Haynes said that there are two wrestlers that impress him: AJ Styles and Rob Van Dam. He thinks they can be given a major push and make money.

He talks about Bruiser Brody and how Vince badly wanted him in the WWF and if he ever went, there might not have been a Hulk Hogan. Haynes said that Brody never did steroids because he did not have a puffy face. He then said that if he was in Puerto Rico when Brody was murdered, he would have probably died with him because he would not have let the Invader get away with killing him.

Haynes talks about wrestling in Japan and how the language barrier made it difficult. He then said one of the wrestlers played a rib on him when they told him what to say in order for him to hail a cab. Haynes kept yelling the phrase louder as no cabs would stop for him and Haynes was then told that what he was saying was really “suck a dick” in Japanese.

When asked about ribs, Haynes talks about how someone once owed Mr. Fuji $1,000 and had the guy over the house for dinner. Haynes did not say the wrestler’s name but went on to say how the guy loved the dinner and asked Fuji what he made and Fuji lifted up the platter, revealing the head of the guy’s dog.

Today, Haynes said that he is retired and has a fund that he can collect from in a few years and is struggling to get by today.

He says that he misses the business, especially the bond he had with the other wrestlers.

Haynes then talks about more about his sexual abuse and how screwed up he is today over what happened.

When talking about the wrestling business, he said that it is tough then tells Vince McMahon that he is a chickenshit and can stick all of his money up his ass and questions how he can look himself in the mirror after what he did to a 12 year old ring boy. He did not elaborate on what he accused Vince of doing to this kid.

Final Thoughts: This guy came off even crazier in this disc, which is a feat in itself. He discussed drug deals, attempted murders, robbing drug dealers, trying to shoot on Hogan in his dressing room, and his own suicide attempts.

The Honky Tonk Man has claimed several times that while Billy is out there, he is not lying about what he is saying (well, it’s coming from Honky who is known to exaggerate from time to time). Regardless, this guy is pure entertainment as far as interviews are concerned.

Once again, I strongly recommend this interview as it needs to be seen to be believed. He also did a second shoot interview with RF Video titled “Conspiracy Theories” which made this interview seem sane.

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RF Video Shoot Interview with Billy Jack Haynes, Disc One

24th July 2014 by Scott Keith
This was filmed in January of 2006

The interview was conducted by Rob Feinstein and Doug Gentry

It is a two-disc collection

Disc one runs at one hour and fifty-eight minutes


Haynes said he was a fan of wrestling growing up. He watched Portland Wrestling with Don Owen.

He is asked about how he broke into the business then Haynes says that he wants to shoot then talks about how he had protected the business for his entire career until Vince McMahon exposed it all. Haynes then talks about being a boxer, having several fights then talks about how he was sexually abused by at age 8 by a family member but did not want to tell his father or uncle at the time because they were both fighters and he was afraid that he would kill the molester. He said at age 15, he was an amateur boxer then could not keep it inside any longer so he told his uncle. His uncle then drove his truck to the molester’s house but was killed in an accident along the way. Haynes said that he felt responsible for his uncle’s death. Two weeks later, he told his mother what happened and she told him that she felt that something happened to him. It was his mother’s sister’s husband to did this and she slapped her sister repeatedly and when the molester got up to intervene, Haynes pushed him down. Nothing else happened after that but Haynes said that he and his mother ended up keeping the molestation a secret and as a result his mother ended up having a nervous breakdown and died of a brain aneurysm three days later.  Haynes then looks into the camera and reaches out to anyone who has been sexually abused to tell them how you feel like it was your fault when the molestation occurs then cries and regroups himself to say that if we want a shoot interview, we will get one and says that his dad ended up going blind two years later and all of these factors led him to become a violent fighter in the ring.
Haynes now talks about how he actually got into the business. He said at the time, he was a janitor who made $6 an hour as he dropped out of school at age 15 and went into the military and came home on leave but went AWOL as he stayed longer than he was supposed to and ended up spending six months in a military stockade at Fort Washington. Haynes said he was young and stupid back then. One day, at the age of 27 and claimed that he was 6’4 and 220lbs and went into the gym and took steroids and after four months, he went to 290lbs. Haynes then calls out Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, and Sammy Sosa for being full of shit as steroids give you incredible coordination and strength. He then says that 95% of wrestlers take steroids while the other 5% are full of shit. He then qualified for the Mr. America contest but went to a wrestling show at the advice of the guy giving him steroids and was still a janitor at the time. Don Owen did not want him because he was a local but Dutch Savage, another wrestler and promoter, advised him to drive up to Calgary and train with Stu Hart.
While in Calgary, he trained with 30 guys who were mostly Canadian football players. Haynes said that the first thing you had to do was tuck-and-roll onto a thin piece of carpet over cement. He said that half of the guys could not do it but he did and it hurt like hell but he did not sell that. Haynes said four guys were left at the end and he talks about being stretched out by Stu but did not want to fail as he wanted to make it as a wrestler for his dad then joked that he did not have enough money to get home. Haynes said that he beat everyone out and lost his first match against a guy named Duke Myers in ten minutes. Haynes puts over the Dynamite Kid for helping him make it as a wrestler and calls him the greatest wrestler but notes how he is now crippled and mentions how Vince McMahon made him wrestle with an injured back. Haynes said that Dynamite took care of him and let him stay at his house and fed him as Haynes said he was $25 Canadian per match at the time. Haynes also talks about traveling in the van with the other wrestlers from Calgary to Regina every Monday.
When asked about guys he worked with in Portland, Haynes said that Roddy Piper had the promo part down to a science and tremendous charisma, likening him to Hulk Hogan and Dusty Rhodes but had a terrible body until he went on steroids and said that Piper is a good bullshitter and once told him that he was a boxer so Haynes challenged him to box in the ring and Piper balked at the idea. Haynes said that Buddy Rose was the best athlete for a person who was his size and said that he skated with a pro hockey team in Oregon during the late 70’s. He tells a story about Rose in 1983 when he asked Haynes for $10,000 to supposedly give to the federal government so Haynes gave him the cash but Rose never paid him back. Haynes then said that he ruined Rose’s career by trying to show up in the same territory as him, which would cause Rose to leave. He talks about needing 40 stitches at WrestleMania III after getting hit with a chain by Hercules. Haynes said that they always wrestled stiff in the ring and did not have a problem in doing show at all. He then puts over Hercules for having all four qualities you need as a pro wrestler: charisma, body, promo skills, workrate. Haynes calls Tom Zenk a great talent but said he was a jealous guy. He tells a story of how Zenk took over as a top babyface in Portland when he left for Florida and how Zenk was upset that he wasn’t pushed like Haynes. He then calls Zenk a “backstabbing prick” and recalls seeing him at a bar in 1991 then confronting him but Zenk backed down completely. This prompts him to say that he got along with 95% of the wrestlers but Zenk was not one of them. He puts over Matt Borne and recalls telling him when he was Doink the Clown in the WWF and how people were laughing at him not to worry because he was making a lot of money. Haynes calls Curt Hennig’s death tragic and how he improved as much as all but a few wrestlers. He said that he became a fantastic wrestler and had all four qualities. He credits Rip Oliver for standing by him as he wrestled in Oregon.
He is asked about going to Florida. Haynes said that Eddie Graham saw a tape of him in Oregon and offered him $2,000 a week and a chance to sell his pictures. Haynes pulls out a wrestling magazine in which he was on the cover putting Superstar Billy Graham on the cover. Haynes said that he used to gig his forehead right down to the bone. Haynes then shoots on Hogan by saying that he stole everything from Billy Graham and Haynes thought if you stole from someone, you should pay then 5-10% what you make.
Haynes goes off on Jerry Lawler as he molested a child and bought himself out of trouble. He then said how Lawler refused to job back then yet would constantly show a tape on Memphis TV of him beating Hogan.
Back to Florida, Haynes said that there was a lot of conflict between booker Dusty Rhodes and promoter Eddie Graham. Haynes then calls Dusty a piece of shit as when Dusty left Florida and took a lot of the talent with him to Charlotte, Graham ended up committing suicide a week later as a result. He also said that Dusty planned the whole move to Charlotte as he kept ripping off Graham then shipping off all of the young Florida talent, like Barry Windham, to Charlotte. Haynes said that Dusty was a chicken shit for leaving Graham without any talent.
He then talks about his very, very brief stint in the WWF in late 1984. He only had one match and was primed for a mega-push. At the time, he told Chief Jay Strongbow that he had to leave and go home as his dad was in the ICU as the result of a stroke. However, Strongbow told Haynes that he could not leave as he was going to get a big push leading into the first WrestleMania and if he went home, he was going to get fired. Haynes said that his dad came first before the business and he left and got fired.
Haynes tells a story about Barry Windham once fucking around with his back as he was in the ring. In the locker room, they went at it and Haynes got the best of him and he then shook off Mike Rotunda who tried to break his arm then told him that if he wanted to fight, meet him outside. After that, Haynes went up to Windham’s dad, Blackjack Mulligan, and asked what would happen if he kicked the crap out of his son and Blackjack told Haynes that he is a grown man and can care for himself. He said that Blackjack was a badass and did not want to have him get revenge for his son. He then tells a story of Blackjack beating the shit out of a guy in the locker room after he tried to give his 17 year old, Kendall, some drugs. Haynes said that Blackjack hit the guy ten times and a wrestler called The Saint, who wore an all-white suit, ended up covered in the blood of the guy Blackjack destroyed.
He is asked about a few more workers. He said that Rick Rude broke his neck and was in constant pain every day and as a result he fell into drugs to mask that and that is how he died. He then talks about Kevin Sullivan and said that he managed him in WCW when Haynes was “Black Blood.” This led Haynes to talk about how he tore his knee up wrestling at the Spectrum but that WCW paid for his surgery.
We get a story from Florida. Haynes said that they worked seven days a week and stresses how there is no off-season and back then, if you got hurt you got fired if you took time off and it was easy to do as their were no contracts. Eddie Graham used to once a week from Miami to Tampa. This time he was Mike Graham and Dusty Rhodes. Anyway, the plane engine started to give out and the plane kept dropping and they couldn’t see out of the windshield but miraculously landed the plane safely.
Haynes brings out another magazine in which he is on the cover of with Kerry Von Erich. He said they were both considered as the future NWA World Champion. He said that they ended up putting the belt on Kerry but took it off of him due to his personal problems that Haynes did not want to get into. Later on, Dusty told Haynes that Fritz Von Erich wanted Haynes to come down to Texas as “Billy Von Erich” but Haynes said he wanted to keep his name.
When asked about his time in World-Class, Haynes said that he stayed only a month and did not want to speak ill about the Von Erich’s as they are not alive to defend themselves. He does tell a story about Fritz and how he told him that Tom Loughlin, the original “Billy Jack” was there and wanted to sue Haynes for using his gimmick. He thinks now that Fritz might have said that to try to get him to change his name but he met Loughlin and said he was a nice guy and after that, he added Haynes to his name.
He now talks about marrying Jeannie Clark (Lady Blossom) so she would not get deported back to England. He then said that she went with him to Florida and that when they were both in WCW, Steve Austin came up to him and said that he was dating his ex-wife in a respectful manner and that led Haynes to call him a real man and said that he is proud of his career.
Now, he talks about Starrcade against the Anderson’s. Haynes said that Eddie Graham came up to him and told him that he was going to either shoot Dusty (with a gun) or himself if he went to that show. Haynes then said that Graham sent him a card that read he was going to kill himself but he did not read it until later on. Haynes said that Crockett offered him $5,000 a week and that they wanted Wahoo to do the job in the match but Haynes said that he would. He then talks about how they were pushing Wahoo out at the time as he was older and Wahoo told Haynes that he would job as Haynes was young and going to get the push. He said that he got his check for Starrcade week and it was for $4,800 and the week’s before that were for $3,000. Crockett came into the locker room after Starrcade to ask if anyone had problems with their payoff. Haynes said that Baby Doll took out her check, which was for $8,000, and kissed it saying she loved her payoff. Haynes said no one else did anything and when Crockett left, he ended up leaving the locker room and wanted to speak with him in private as no one discussed money in the locker room.
In Crockett’s office, Haynes said that Crockett disrespected him by making him wait for 20 minutes while he was on the phone so he yelled at Crockett to hang up the fucking phone. He did and asked what was wrong as Haynes told him about the money and Crockett told him that if he did not like him, he could leave the company. Haynes said that he then worked a six-man teaming with Dusty Rhodes and Magnum TA to take on Flair & Ole Anderson & Arn Anderson and was not tagged into the match, which lasted for 20 minutes. He said that the fans chanted his name at the 14 minute mark. He claims that guys like Dusty, Barry Windham, and Magnum were all jealous of him and screwed over his payoffs and left. Haynes then said that he ended up pushing Crockett against the wall as he trembled in fear. Haynes then said that he kicked down Dusty’s door, which was locked, and called him a “big fat fuck” then went home back to Portland.
Haynes now goes back and talks about how he was told by Don Owen on May 21st, 1985 that he was going to become the NWA World Heavyweight Champion. He then said that Fritz Von Erich went nuts at the thought of that as he wanted Kerry to be champion again and the NWA Board of Directors met and they ended up not doing the title change. Haynes then said how Harley Race stood up for him but they decided to have a 60 minute draw instead.
He wound up in the WWF in 1986 after he was wrestling in Portland and got called up by George Scott. He was told that he would be pushed as a “semi-main eventer” and could make up to $8,000 a week. He was booked on the shows underneath Hogan and did in fact average about $8,000 a week. Haynes talks about how he used to hold on to all of Hogan’s gold jewelry when he went out to the ring as Hogan trusted him.
After WrestleMania III, they paired him up with Ken Patera. He then got Brady Boone booked in Portland and showed tapes of him to the WWF and got him booked as his cousin in the WWF. Haynes talks about how Boone looked like a smaller version of himself. He then said that he never got a fair shot and was very talented.
In January of 1988, Haynes said that Vince McMahon, who he calls the “Adolf Hitler of Professional Wrestling” and that he took all of the top guys from the remaining territories which put them all out of business as a result. Haynes said that Vince’s dad would have kicked his ass if he saw him doing that. He ended up giving his notice to Vince that month and opened his gym in Oregon. At the time, Hogan promised Haynes he would be there for the opening but Hogan called him up shortly before the opening and said that he would not be there as Vince wanted him to shoot a music video with Dolly Parton called “Headlock on my Heart” on the day of the opening. Haynes said that he had a lot of people expected to be at the opening who were waiting for Hogan and if he did not show up, the gym would be in trouble and he already put in $200,000 into the business. Two days before the opening, Hogan called Haynes up and said fuck Vince and that he would be there for the opening. Haynes said that he offered Hogan as much cash as he wanted but Hogan did it for free and even flew out on his own dime. Haynes claims that the line was a mile long for the gym full of people waiting to see Hogan.
He goes back to when he left the WWF in 1988. He told Vince that he did not want to job in Oregon but would do anything else after telling Vince that he was leaving to start his own promotion in Oregon. He said that Vince told him that he and Patera would be jobbing to Demolition at WrestleMania IV. When they got to Oregon, Strongbow told Haynes that he was going to do the job tonight. Haynes said that he refused and gave Strongbow the number for his home to give to Vince. He said that he talked with Vince for a half-hour and called him a liar and said it was stupid on his part then said that he gave Vince notice unlike others. Haynes then told Vince to fuck himself and hung up the phone on Vince and quit.
When asked about Randy Savage, Haynes said that he is up at the top of the list out of wrestlers that he respects. He said that they were tight and saw him fight guys. Haynes then talks about how Mike Sharpe started shooting on him in the ring after blowing him off in the locker room when Haynes wanted to go over their match, which was a TV squash. During the match, Sharpe did not sell anything that Haynes did and in the locker room, Haynes said that he dropped Sharpe with an uppercut, who kept on bragging about being a boxer. He said after that, the locker room respected him. He then said that he traveled with Randy, Elizabeth, and Lanny Poffo.
He is asked about other locker room fights. When asked about the Jacques Rougeau/Dynamite Kid fight, Haynes said that what Jacques did was chicken shit. He talked about how Dynamite was a tough fighter and beat the shit out of Jacques in the past and said he heard about Pat Patterson setting up the whole thing as they were both from Montreal.
When talking about the travel, Haynes said that George Steele once held the record with 91 consecutive days and he broke that with 97 straight days on the road. He said that you were always recognized while traveling and looked like a zombie due to all of the travel.
Haynes talks about how he did not really care for drugs or alcohol as a kid but wound up into wrestling by using steroids and there is an unwritten rule in both wrestling and bodybuilding that if you do not take steroids, you never wind up going anywhere. Haynes then talks about how he did steroids from 1980-87. He said that they all passed them around the locker room. He then said that the promoters did not give a shit if you got hurt as they could replace you easily so you did whatever it took to get by.
Haynes said that his Oregon Promotion folded in three months. He said rumors came about that he did not pay the wrestlers but Haynes claims that he showed the commission his receipts and never stiffed them a dime.
On how he ended up in WCW, Haynes said that he came up with the idea of wrestling under a mask and how his wife cleaned him up after their divorce. He also said that he cried for two days straight and ended up buying a mobile home and drove into Atlanta and talked to Dusty about the Black Blood gimmick and how there was a guy in France who chopped the heads off of people in France after putting them in a mask for the death penalty. He said that Dusty liked the gimmick and wanted to call Turner and after a while, got a deal for $250 a match.
Haynes said that it bothered him a bit to go back and work for Dusty. After two months, Haynes said that Paul Heyman was pushing the gimmick to Turner and was on the verge of signing a contract and was beating a guy with his finish, he would not mention his name, and says how you are giving your body to your opponent and could be killed at anytime as you are giving your body to your opponent. As he leaped off of the top for his finishing move, the guy on the mat got scared and put up his hands and Haynes said he tried to twist his body so he would not break the guys arms but in the process, his knee pad hit and tore his kneecap off and it ended up behind his leg. He waited six hours in the emergency department and that was how he became addicted to pain pills. He said that ended his career.
He talks about Sting and Lex Luger and said that Lex had a good body but couldn’t work and did not have great charisma. He said that Sting had the greatest gimmick.
After WCW, he went to Portland. He said he told the Harris Brothers, who wanted to quit, that they had the talent but needed to come up with a gimmick. He said that Steve Doll wanted to wrestle for him instead of Owen as he claimed that he paid more then when he learned from Rob that Doll is now on life support, he freaked out a bit as he does not want to speak ill of people who have passed away. He talks about Brian Adams (Crush) who screwed him over. He wanted to help him get into the WWF and said that Adams got huge due to steroids, as he was skinny when he broke into the business. Haynes said that Adams never gave him any respect, even after showing tapes of him to the WWF. He then said how Adams told him that he was going to get him a tryout in the WWF in 1992 and Haynes showed up to two different shows and was not used as he was told at the last one that Vince did not want to use him. He calls Adams an asshole for ribbing him like that, after he helped him in the beginning of his career then said he broke down in his car after that show and almost grabbed his gun in an attempt to shoot Vince, Adams, the other guy with Adams who Haynes did not mention because he was deceased, and then said that he would have probably shot himself after that. He said that he was just about broke at the time and traveled far away for this show.Haynes said that Vince seemed surprised that Haynes was even at the event and that Hercules was the one who prevented him from taking drastic action.

Haynes talks about being asked by the show “Hard Copy” and “Inside Edition” if Hulk Hogan took steroids and Haynes told them that they both took steroids together. He claimed that he revealed all of this due to his friend, Lyle Alzado (former professional football player who was one of the first athlete’s to come out and admit to steroids use) passing away shortly after he got the call from the shows, which Haynes said was the result of Superstar Billy Graham giving them his phone number.

In 1995, Haynes went to work for Jerry Jarrett in the USWA. He said that Jarrett promised him $700 a week and that he was going to go to WCW and become the booker for them and wanted to bring Haynes along. Haynes said that he was given the belt after a month in the territory. He said that he didn’t want the belt and just wanted the money. He said that some guys would rather be champion than to make money and said how Rip Oliver refused to job to Jake Roberts at a WWF TV taping, because he would rather be the champion in Portland and make less money, then got fired as a result.

He said that the crowds more than tripled when he went to the USWA. Haynes said he was a heel at the time and did some main event’s with Sid Vicious. Haynes said that he was wrestling a show and got a $100 and asked Sid how much he was making and he said $2,000.

Final Thoughts: Holy shit! Haynes promised to give us a shoot and he certainly did. He discussed everything from sexual abuse, contemplating a murder/suicide involving Vince McMahon, marrying someone so they would not be deported, and at one point he mentioned how his father died in his arms.

As far as the wrestling part of the shoot is concerned, Haynes still brought the goods. He does seem crazy in this disc (nowhere near as much as his “Conspiracy Theories” shoot or disc two)  and frequently asked the guys if a wrestler was still alive before he talked about them as he really did not want to discuss anything negative at all about someone who has passed away because they are unable to defend themselves. That is an admirable thing.

Despite all of this, Haynes was not afraid to shy away from questions. He did stray away from the question a few times but more than not it led to a good story. After this disc, I eagerly await the second. So far, I give this a strong recommendation, even if he is whacked.

And for those interested, the schedule of my reviews for the next seven days.

Friday: RF Video Shoot Interview with Billy Jack Haynes, Disc Two 12:30pm EST
Friday: WWF Championship Wrestling 7/26/86 4:00pm EST
Saturday: RoH Crowning a Champion 7/27/02 8:00pm EST
Sunday: WWF Championship Wrestling 8/2/86 9:00pm EST
Tuesday: WWF Championship Wrestling 8/9/86 8:00pm EST

(Give or take about 30 minutes for each post. I just wanted to give a general time for these)

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Summerslam Main Event video package leaked…

16th July 2014 by Scott Keith

Thought you might be interested in this!   http://vimeo.com/100854216 

That seems pretty definitive.  Man, the 14 people who order Battleground on PPV are gonna be pissed at having the main event spoiled, though.  

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RF Video Shoot Interview with Tracy Smothers, Disc Two

4th July 2014 by Scott Keith
This is the second and final disc of the shoot
It runs for two hours and sixteen minutes
The interview is conducted by Brett Lauderdale

Smothers talks about the incident in which Vader slapped the reporter in Kuwait. He worked with him in a short match the night before as he had food poisoning. Vader got tripped on his way to the ring and went after some people in the stands. Smothers said that Vader got in as much trouble for swearing on TV then he did slapping the guy.
He talks about working in Japan after SMW closed down. He worked for New Japan and for the W*ING promotion. He calls Kenta Kobashi the best Japanese wrestler he ever wrestled. He talks about working for All Japan and accidentally messed up the finish against Giant Baba and was never brought back. He also said that Mr. Pogo hit him in the back of the head and needed 18 stitches as a result then beat the shit out of him afterwards.
He talks about getting hired by the WWF. Bruce Prichard showed him around the office and interviewed them. He was hired with Bill Irwin, Alex Porteau, Tom Brandi, and Tony Anthony. He got a call from Bruce later on that he was going to be Freddie Joe Floyd and Smothers didn’t mind because he had a job.
His first show with the WWF was a “Superstars” taping two nights after the 1996 King of the Ring show. In his first match, Smothers faced Bradshaw, who he knew from Japan, but said he changed a lot and did not want to put him over so Bradshaw kicked out of his finish then put his chin in Bradshaw’s chest and held him down for the pin. Bradshaw beat him in the second taping as Smothers said how Bradshaw was stiff with everyone. He was told about being put on the house shows against Bradshaw but that never materialized and only did a few house shows in the WWF, usually against Tony Anthony. He did say that he was allowed to do independent shows as long as he got approval from the office and that Cornette always said yes unless it was for someone who the company had heat with.
Smothers said that Vince was always cool with him but he never saw him much and Vince was focused on beating WCW in the ratings.
As far as agents he worked with, he was with Tony Garea, Rene Goulet, Dave Hebner, George Steele, and Blackjack Lanza.
He talks about working with Steve Austin on a “Superstars” and how he was one of the best heels in the business, which most people forget. He said that he worked his ass off too.
He talks about how Shawn and the Undertaker did not like him or the other Smoky Mountain guys. Smothers said that Bret was cool.
Smothers said that he worked with guys like Barry Horowitz and the Headbangers but that he did not like his gimmick and had a hurt groin. He said that when his banjo music played for the first time he made a comment about wanting to change the gimmick and turned around and saw Bruce Prichard and Kevin Kelly, who did not seem to happy.
He then talks about having heat with Jake Roberts and how one day, he took the Godwinn’s rent-a-car and took off and never came back. Smothers talks about how they split up the Gunn’s and Billy & Tony Anthony faced Bart and himself. Roberts told Smothers and Anthony before the match that the program is between the Gunn’s and they should not have been here and must have sucked off someone to even get into the company. Smothers said that he was pissed and went off to the bathroom and said he started to shadow-box in the bathroom then they went out and had the match and Roberts congratulated them all first for doing a good job at selling.
Smothers then goes off on a rant on Bradshaw, Undertaker, and Shawn Michaels for getting a ton of people fired during their career. He then calls the Harris Brothers “kiss ass mother fuckers” for sucking up to the Undertaker. Smothers says that the inmates run the asylum and that there are many talented guys that will never have a chance. He talks about how if he bought TNA, the first thing he would do is fire Sting and Hogan to free up $2 million dollars.
Now, Smothers talks about how he left the WWF. He was at a “Shotgun Saturday Night” taping and went long with Tony Anthony in their match and as a result, the Blackjacks vs. Furnas & LaFon match did not happen and those guys were pissed as they had to stay for the taping. Well, before the match, Bruce Prichard kept on switching the times of the match and Smothers said that he actually heard Lawler tell Bruce Prichard that he should not be with the company as he was working shows for Bert Prentice, who was Lawler’s opposition then heard Prichard tell Lawler that this was going to be his last day. After the match when they walked back, Prichard asked them why they missed the cue as Smothers saw Cornette and said that he is being sick of getting fucked with and that is revved up and called the Undertaker a “motherfucker” and called him the ringleader. Smothers said that he kept walking and Owen Hart followed him in the dressing room and both teams and Ron Simmons came in and Smothers said that he was not fucking with them and that he ended the match when he got the cue. Also at this time, his contract was expiring in a few weeks and he knew that he had a job with Heyman so it did not matter. After he showered, Phil LaFon asked him what happened and Smothers said that he got the cue when he did and the WWF let his contract expire.
When asked about the drug scene in the WWF at that time, Smothers said the drugs were kept hidden and not around the locker room. He said that no one was on the juice then due to fear of the testing. However, he does tell a story about Ahmed Johnson and how Delta Security hooked him up with steroids while they were in Kuwait but that he couldn’t sneak them back into the country.
Smothers said that the ECW locker room had a cool atmosphere. He also said it was a lot more relaxed too. Smothers then talks about how Heyman took the violence to a different level in 2000.
Now, Smothers is asked about working in front of a lot of “smart” fans in ECW and if it was harder. He said that it was as they knew the business so you had to work harder and the expectations were higher. He also said that it felt fresh.
Smothers talks about how Heyman made RVD, Tommy Dreamer, and Taz into stars. He also talks about how he got over younger guys like Roadkill, Danny Doring, and Chris Chetti.
He said it was a blast working under Paul Heyman, saying that he made it fun. He then talks about how Paul moves quick and that he came up with the idea for him to join the F.B.I five minutes before he went out to the ring. Smothers puts over Little Guido for being a great wrestler.
Smothers said that he knew Tommy Rich since 1983 and how he was always drinking beers in the parking lot, where a lot of them partied.
When asked about Taz, Smothers liked working with him and puts over his judo background. Smothers said that Shane Douglas could cut great promos. The interviewer asks if Shane’s promos against other stars like Flair hurt him, Smothers said that he doesn’t as he was doing cutting edge stuff and one of the top heels in the business.
He calls Raven smart and eccentric and has a great mind for the business. He also believes that politics kept him from being a bigger star.
Smothers recalls working with Rhino in his tryout match and how he told Rhino to do the spear on him and it nearly broke him in half.
He then talks about the end of his ECW run. They were cutting costs and he had been there for over two years and they made Little Guido a singles wrestler. Heyman never told him that he was let go but he took the hint when they stopped using him and was mad because he never got proper notice. He did state that Dreamer got him booked on some of the house show loops in the Southeast.
Smothers said that he never saw anyone in ECW so messed up that they could not perform.
He talks about the “One Night Stand” PPV. Vince told them all that they were going to restart the ECW brand.  Smothers said that Vince put them up in a hotel and shuttled them to the venue. He also talks about how glad everyone was to be there and see each other.
Now, Smothers talks about the JBL/Blue Meanie incident. Smothers said that JBL had been drinking all day long. He said that before they did the walkthrough, Danny Doring asked him this was going to be a shoot as the atmosphere was strange. Smothers said that the ECW guys were all there hoping to get a job. He then said that he heard JBL tell the WWE guys not to hesitate to knock one of the ECW guys the fuck out, to which Smothers told JBL that it was a two-way street. When the brawl took place, Smothers noticed that JBL was waffling Blue Meanie. Smothers said that he was with Tomko, who was hitting him hard on the back . When that ended, Smothers said that he went over to JBL to ask what happened, as he never knew of any problem between him and Meanie, then JBL said “fuck you” to Smothers and punched him in the back of the head .Smothers said that he rabbit punched JBL after that and might have given him a black eye. After that, Smothers went over to Sandman and saw some other brawling then laid some more shots into JBL. Backstage, JBL was pissed at Meanie. Smothers then talks about how he trash-talked JBL in an interview and how it circulated around the internet, which helped him get independent bookings. Smothers said how he is not afraid of JBL then goes on about how he is a backstabbing son of a bitch who got a ton of people fired.
Smothers is asked about Chris Hero, who he helped train. He says that he hopes Hero gets over but the WWE is spiteful and will fuck with you on purpose. Smothers then puts over Hero for studying the business and being a great teacher.
When asked if he has any regrets, Smothers talks about how he got to travel the world and had a lot of fun, noting how you could never do that at another job.
He then tells the smart fans that they should not be so quick to dog a match and just to enjoy it and have fun. Smothers says how not every match will be rated 5 stars and to just cheer and boo the wrestlers as you paid the ticket. He says that if you hate it that bad, why would you even go to the shows.
Right now, Smothers is a delivery manager at a pizza restaurant in Indiana. He is asked if he was mad that he never made more money, Smothers said that his temper and lack of political savvy probably cost him money but he made a good, middle-class living.
When asked if he watches the WWE today, Smothers says he works nights and will catch AM RAW and says that they need to slow it down today, especially when it comes to selling.
He would love to be around the business today and says how he still works on occasion today but cannot move around too well. He then shows his flag, which is attached to a solid tree branch, that was given to him by a Klansman in Pikeville, KY in case he ever got into any trouble. Smothers says that he is not in the Klan
Smothers closes by saying how wrestling is the best business in the world and he would like to make it fun.
Final Thoughts: This disc was just as entertaining as the first. Smothers could take about wrestling for days, even if you would want him to stop.
One thing I took away at the end is how a battered and broke Smothers is reduced to delivering pizza and wrestling at indy shows to support himself at 50 years old. It is really just a sad reminder of what can happen to wrestlers when they finish their careers. Smothers said he had a few years in which he made six figures but that was it.
I recommend the shoot interview as it is entertaining and quick moving.
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RF Video Shoot Interview with Tracy Smothers, Disc One

3rd July 2014 by Scott Keith
This video was released in 2013. It is a two-disc set
The first disc runs at two hours and thirty-six minutes long.
The interview was conducted by Brett Lauderdale
Smothers starts by saying that he grew up outside of Nashville, TN. He said that he first watched wrestling by seeing Nick Gulas’ territory then when Jerry Jarrett ran his company, he became more popular and ended up buying out Gulas’ territory. A few minutes later, he talks about how he would sneak out of his house at night in order to go watch the matches as his parents did not want him to go to the matches.
He played football and wrestling in High School and in College. Smothers jokes that he could have done better in wrestling if he didn’t always try to chase girls. Smothers then goes on about the girls he was chasing in high school and then about having to cut weight.
Smothers broke into the business while he was in college. He went to Carson-Newman. He was going to college to be a coach and a teacher. Smothers goes off about chasing a girl and how hot she was then talks about how he probably got a few concussions on special teams then cracked a vertebrae in his neck and tore up his knee too. He would see the wrestlers in the gym, like the Fabulous Ones, and saw how they were in great shape.
He goes ahead and tells a story about the Barbarian. Smothers left the gym as he was walking in and the next day, the guys at the gym told Tracy about the Barbarian’s workout routine, which was absolutely insane. That day, Steve Keirn called him up and said he needed him to work that night against the new guy. They told him that he had to work against the Barbarian and joked that he needed to go back to college. Smothers said he had only trained twice at this point and screwed up everything as the Barbarian was new himself.
When asked about the Fabulous Ones, who helped break in Smothers, Smothers said that he loved them and that the Fabulous Ones would train him while they were on the road. Smothers said that he and one other guy were the only ones that stuck around.
Smothers talks about how Tojo Yammamoto trained him too and said if Tojo trained people today, he would be arrested for murder. Smothers said he went to work for Gulas and got a $5 payout, with $3 of it in quarters. He worked in the ring with some guy who was also Green but started to shoot on him so Smothers beat the shit out of him then the whole dressing room ran out and broke it up. The guy also pulled a knife out against him but Smothers took it away .Smothers talks about how the Fabulous Ones told him to stand up to a fan or a guy taking advantage of you. Back to the fight, Smothers broke out and got into his car and drove away. He came back the next week and was introduced to Yammamoto and Gypsy Joe. Smothers said that Joe was a bad dude then talks about the incident between Joe and New Jack from several years ago when Jack shot on Joe, who was 73 years old at the time. Smothers said that Joe refused to work with Jack and was swearing at him then went on to say how a lot of fights Jack gets into is the result of everyone going up to his opponent and stirring up rumors how Jack is planning to shoot on them in the ring. Smothers then said how Joe was working in construction, at age 73, five days a week while wrestling Wednesday-Sunday at small shows in Nashville. Smothers said that he saw Joe a few days afterwards and that Joe was back wrestling.
Smothers goes on and on about various things that happened in Memphis, including how Randy Savage made him look great in an eleven minute match then ended it by suplexing Smothers onto the floor. Smothers said he thanked Savage after the match, who told Smothers to never thank anyone who suplexes you on the floor. Smothers also talks about how Iron Mike Sharpe and Koko Ware helped him out in Memphis.
After Memphis, Smothers went to work for Bill Watts. This was 1986. He was supposed to go with Billy Travis and Koko Ware but Travis decided to stay in Memphis as Koko came in a few months later. Smothers said that Terry Taylor gave him his first full-time job in wrestling.
He now tells a story about how he got into a fight in a small town in Louisiana. Smothers stopped at a store to get gas and was stopped by a black guy who asked him for money. Smothers was walking back to his car and saw three other guys on the side as the guy followed him out. Smothers said that he always kept a baseball bat in his trunk too. Anyway, the guy went to sucker punch him but Smothers stopped him then smashed his face off of the cement. Smothers said that he had about $1,000 in cash to last for two weeks because Watts paid you bi-weekly. Smothers said he was scared as he was just 21 years old. The three guys charged after him and Smothers took them all out by smashing their knees with his bat. He then jumped in the car and even tried to run over him over and left.
Smothers talks about the roster in Mid-South when he arrived. He said that Steve Williams was the baddest man in wrestling from 1983-1992. Smothers tells a story involving Steve Williams and Rick Steiner seeing a man in a car that was on fire in the road and went out and ripped the door off of the car and saved his life. He said that Jake was getting ready to leave for the WWF. Dick Slater was there and the booker before Terry Taylor took over.
He tells the story of how Dick Slater beat up Sting. It was the Summer of 1986 and Sting was teaming with Jim Hellwig as the Blade Runners, who were very green in the ring and hurting people too. Back to the story, Smothers said that Dark Journey was with Slater but the rumor going around was that Sting was fooling around with Dark Journey. One night in the locker room, Smothers noticed that Slater had his hands taped and was playing cards with Terry Taylor, who he hated, and was revving up as he was losing. Slater then got up and went after Sting and Smothers said you could hear an argument. Smothers said he heard from everyone that Slater ended up hitting him then sticking Sting’s head into the toilet and flushed. Smothers said that Slater beat the shit out of him and that Hellwig was going to come over to help out but Smothers saw Dick Murdoch knee him in the nuts then grab him by the throat. After the commotion, Slater came out and was still pissed, with Sting’s face paint on him and yelled at Smothers and DJ Peterson, who was also new to the business, and yelled that if they did not respect the veterans then they should get the fuck out of the business. Smothers said that after that, Sting started to become a better worker.
After Mid-South, Smothers ended up in Florida. He said that he teamed with Steve Armstrong against the New Breed. Smothers said that he traveled with Armstrong and Scott Hall at the time. He also worked a few shows for Crockett at the end of 1987 against the Midnight Express and Dusty told them that they were going to bring them to the territory to work the “B” shows, as Chris Champion of the New Breed got into a car accident and hurt his arm so he could not compete. After their matches, Smothers said that the Midnight’s got paid triple what they got and he and Steve were tired and homesick and ended up going home, walking out of the TV tapings they were scheduled for, which Smothers regrets and chalks up to being young and stupid.
Smothers went on to work for Robert Fuller in the CWA. However, Fuller brought in the Rockers after they got fired from the WWF and that knocked out Smothers from his spot. He said that after that, Jerry Jarrett would not sign him right away and Smothers worked in a tobacco field until Jarrett finally hired him. He said the Rockers did not last long at all and Smothers said that they got fired after Shawn signed “queers are people to” on the back of a kid’s shirt, who happened to be the son of a sponsor, so Bob Armstrong had to fire them.
The interviewer tells Tracy that he had to start shortening up his answers as he has a lot of questions to ask. Tracy apologizes and tells the interviewer to remind him because he has had 32 concussions and 9 mini-strokes in his life. That is terrifying. And later in the disc, Smothers talks about how he received a concussion from a back suplex while working in SMW then flew to Japan a day later and received another one when Terry Funk hit him in the back of the head with a chair.
He talks about how he got back into WCW with Steve Armstrong in 1990. He said that Kevin Sullivan, Eddie Gilbert, and Jim Cornette got them into the company. He said that Jim Herd was running things and they had a booking committee that including the three guys listed above and Flair. This lasted until Ole Anderson came in shortly afterwards. He said that Dusty changed their name from the Southern Boys to the Young Pistols due to the controversy of the Confederate Flag they had with their gimmick.
Smothers said that Ole Anderson ran a tight ship and had Bob Roop as an agent, who was a tough guy. Smothers said that they did not have any heat with the veterans, who he joked that they liked working with them more than the Steiners, who Smothers said were in their prime and very, very stiff. Smothers said that some of the boys in the locker room were a bothered a little because Stan Hansen did not work stiff with them in the ring. Smothers then said that he heard that Lex Luger and Sting tried to get Ole Anderson fired and when that failed, Ole brought in Stan Hansen to work with them as a result to beat them up.
He is asked about Ric Flair. Smothers said he wanted everyone to have a good time and would get everyone drunk as he wanted them to have a good time. He said how Flair would get everyone from the owners to the janitors drunk. Smothers also said how Flair would tip the hotel shuttle bus drivers enough money to pick him and the rest of the lower card workers up at the Days Inn or Red Roof Inn to go to the Marriott, where Flair stayed. He said the next morning, Flair would be up in the gym using the Stairmaster for an hour. Smothers doesn’t think he slept more than four hours a night.
When asked about steroids, Smothers said that they were not talked about in the locker room but it did not become an issue until the WWF steroid scandal. Smothers said that WCW basically gave you two weeks notice as they would put in on the schedule for you to be the early, and only looked for cocaine due to the crack-cocaine epidemic.
Smothers goes off track for a bit to tell a story about PN News. They are in the dressing room in St. Louis as Stan Hansen came off of a plane from Japan and was in a mood. News was young and getting a push at the time and scheduled to face Hansen that night. Smothers said that Hansen would love to read the newspaper and wore thick glasses as his vision was quite poor. Anyway, News called Hansen an “old man” and the locker room went silent as no one answered Stan when he asked if News called him an old man. Finally, Sid Vicious tells Stan “Fuck yeah he said you were an old man” and Stan said that was what he thought he said and Stan beat the shit out of News in the ring as a result.
He talks about the Midnight Express and how Bobby Eaton was the best heel in the business at that time. Smothers said in the locker room, you knew the two best workers were Brad Armstrong and Bobby Eaton. Smothers said that Cornette was the one who laid out the matches and finishes and says no one studies the business more than Cornette. Smothers talks about the Freebirds and puts over Michael Hayes and Jimmy Garvin for their psychology.
Smothers is asked about The Undertaker, who started out as the Punisher in Memphis then was Mean Mark Callous. Smothers said that he was a natural in the ring. Back then, Smothers said he was a nice guy then makes a side comment about how he is not anymore. Smothers then said that he was a bouncer at a badass biker bar and part of the Hell’s Angels. He tells a story about the Undertaker dropping four or five guys in a row in a bar in Tennessee after they tried fucking with him then when the bouncers tried to intervene, Taker told him that he was going home and they all got out of his way as he left.
He talks about how he almost quit the business in 1992 after all of the turmoil in WCW but Jim Cornette convinced him to ditch the rebel gimmick and come to Smoky Mountain Wrestling. Smothers said that he did not get into the WWF around this time as Jerry Jarrett was there as a consultant and since Smothers had left him twice before in Memphis to go with Steve rather than to stay and tag with Jeff Jarrett. He gave Steve Armstrong a job as Lance Cassidy. Smothers also heard a rumor that in 1988, after Barry Horowitz gave pictures of Smothers and Steve Armstrong to Pat Patterson in hopes that he would bring them in but Shawn Michaels dogged them because he thought the following year that Bob Armstrong fired him to bring in Smothers and his son, Steve.
Smothers goes forward to 1996 and tells a story about the Undertaker. He talks about how he knew the Undertaker from when he first broke in but had not seen him since. In the locker room, the Bodydonnas and Kloudy were standing there and Smothers saw Taker go off on Kloudy about how people will do anything to get into the business. Smothers knew Taker to be smiling and joking when they were in WCW so he decided to crack a joke and ask Taker how long has he been dead for, referencing his gimmick. Well, Taker got up and was pissed and Smothers backed away. Shortly after that, Shawn came in and made a crack to Smothers about how he got a job with the WWF. Smothers knew he had heat with Shawn then tried to make a playful comment after Shawn brought up how he got fired by Bob Armstrong about Shawn being on top of the world now and not to think about several years ago and Shawn was pissed about that. He also said how Shawn had heat with the whole Armstrong family for years as a result but made amends was helped Bob Armstrong get inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame.
Between leaving WCW and going to Smoky Mountain, Smothers worked security for some country music stars and worked as a bouncer. He said as a bouncer, guys would give him shit for getting let go from WCW and got into a lot of fights. Smothers said at that time, he considered getting his CDL to become a driver for one of the groups but still wanted to wrestle and Cornette was calling him, encouraging Smothers to not quit the business.
In Smoky Mountain, Smothers talks about some of the towns and their crazy hillbilly fans. He talks about wrestling against Brian Lee with Sherri Martel as his valet, calling Sherri the best valet of all-time.
While working for Smoky Mountain, Smothers would also do tours of Japan. After about two years in SMW, Ricky Morton, who was helping Cornette, told Tracy that he did not think they had a spot for him in the company, as he already spent two years at the top of the card. Tracy suggested that they move him down the card and he pointed at a young kid to work with, saying that he could get him over. That kid happened to be Chris Candido. Smothers said that Candido worked his ass off and Ricky asked Cornette, who approved the idea. Smothers said that worked ladder matches.
As far as pay in Smoky Mountain, Smothers said that faces were allowed to sell gimmicks at the shows and had a better deal. He said that he would give the heel he worked with 10-20% of the gimmick money because they were the reason people would buy his stuff, to help pay for some of their expenses.
He is asked about Chris Candido passing away. Smothers said that he cleaned up and was working his ass off and made him want to get back into wrestling as at that point, Smothers was a bounty hunter and repossessing cars. Smothers said how Candido was upbeat and that Dusty Rhodes hired him for TNA and was going to do the Hardcore Homecoming as Smothers gets misty-eyed as he recalls his friends like Candido and Brad Armstrong passing away. He said that whenever a friend of his in the business passes away, his mind gets on the business and that he can hear their ring music and says it is almost a supernatural event.
Smothers is asked about his matches against Brian Lee in SMW. He calls him a good strong kid and when asked why he did not make it, Smothers said it was all due to drugs and that Lee himself would tell you the same thing. Smothers said that he recently spoke with Lee who is now working in construction after losing a ton of weight due to his use.
He is asked about the Gangstas coming to Smoky Mountain. He said that their first day, they had legitimate gang members from the hood in the parking lot of the show, which was in the middle of a KKK area. Smothers said he is not into racism and that we all bleed red and are god’s children but that day, a cop came up to him and said that there were twenty “n*****s” in the parking lot and they were not going to let this go on and the cop asked him if they were wrestlers so he said that they were then after that, New Jack cut the infamous O.J. Simpson promo and afterwards, Ricky Morton told Cornette that they could draw money with them.
Still speaking about the Gangsters, Smothers said that New Jack was at a show that featured an all white audience then cut a promo in the ring saying that they were the Gangstas and they were black then proceeded to rub his arm and told the crowd that it will not come off. At another outdoor show, Tracy was scheduled to team with Tony Anthony against the Gangstas and saw that two independent wrestlers, who were rebels, jumped up on the apron and started yelling racial slurs at the Gangstas so Smothers whipped one of them off of the apron then beat the shit out of the other one as he did not want the Gangstas to go after them as he calls Jack tough but said that Mustafa was dangerous and they had gimmicks in the ring with them.

Final Thoughts: After a slow start , this disc really picked up. Smothers talks an awful lot to the point that the interviewer had to tell him to shorten his answers on a few occasions. Honestly, Smothers could talk all day long.

His stories about Smoky Mountain Wrestling were very good. Also, Smothers does not appear to have a knack for making sensible decisions. I’m sure the fact that he has had 32 concussions does not help. He seems like a nice enough guy but you could defintely tell that he has had some sort of head trauma.

When watching this disc, expect a lot of talking and side stories as Smothers can stray off topic. Luckily, the stories he tells are good.

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RF Video Shoot Interview with Mean Gene Okerlund

19th June 2014 by Scott Keith
This was filmed in either 2006 or 2007
The interview was conducted by Doug Gentry and Rob Feinstein
It runs for two hours and twenty-two minutes long

Gene is asked if he was a wrestling fan growing up. He said that he followed the AWA by watching on Saturday nights as a kid and through college but would not classify himself as a hardcore fan. Gene went to Nebraska University and attended school at the same time as Baron Von Raschke.
Before wrestling, Gene worked in radio. After graduating college, he worked at a radio station in Omaha then moved to Minnesota. He said that he spent a week as a programming director but wanted to be on-air.
On how he wound up in wrestling, Gene said he was a salesman for a TV station and on a Saturday night, was asked to fill in for Marty O’Neill, who was also the voice of the AWA, who was out sick. At that time, Verne Gagne offered him a deal under the table and told Gene just to call what he saw, as Gene did not know the names of the wrestling holds. He says that was the best advice he had ever received in broadcasting and compares that to the cross promotion and selling of other products that the announcers of today use.
Rob asks Gene if he other wrestlers kayfabed him when he started. Gene said that they did but it never bothered him, mentioning how Verne was big on maintaining kayfabe. When asked if he was ribbed by the wrestlers, Gene said that there was not a lot of ribbing back then and said the announcers were all hands off in the AWA, meaning talent was not allowed to touch him on air. Gene says that makes the announcer seem less effective when he is allowed to be touched.
When asked if he was given bulletpoints to use, he said that he did for the moves but also made up stuff as he went along. Gene tells a story of how he made up the “Beal Throw” named after the fictional Benny Beal and Verne told him not to do that again.
He is asked about his memories of Hulk Hogan. Gene said how he was originally going to be a heel to play off of the success of his “Thunderlips” character, managed by Johnny Valiant but after a few weeks, they decided that he would work a lot better as a face. He said that Hogan was not the best technical wrestler, saying that was Dean Malenko, but that he could put asses in seats, unlike Dean Malenko.
Gene is now asked if anyone would not consider him as one of the boys, just as an announcer. He said that Sir Oliver Humperdink tried that at a show in Florida, by speaking in “carny” but Gene called him out, stating he could speak carny too.
In mid 1983, he met with Vince McMahon and after that, decided to make the jump to the WWF. Gene said that money was the reason he left. He said at that time, Vince talked about going national, but never mentioned anything about going global.
When asked about Jesse Ventura, Gene said that Jesse indeed came up with the “Mean Gene” nickname (Jesse said this in his RF Video shoot). Gene said he was not in love with the nickname but notes how it got over. He then tells a story of how the name was created. In his interviews, Jesse always talked about hanging out and partying with rock stars. One day, he said that he was partying with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers and when Jesse asked Gene if he knew who he was, Gene said of course he knew him and said he was a famous race car driver. Jesse then replied “that was mean, Gene.” He also said that with Jesse, who knew what you were getting and never kayfabed anything.
Gene is asked about several guys he worked with. He said that Dick the Bruiser was a great business man and a smart guy. He never worked with Ken Patera in the AWA and first saw Patera when he was bouncer at a bar with Ric Flair. He said his first memories of Flair was when he was a student of Verne and how the arrangement at that time was that Verne would take 10% of your payoffs for the rest of your career but that Flair never gave him and he quickly moved to the Carolinas. He said that he would have never been able to develop his persona if he stayed in the AWA. Gene really likes Nick Bockwinkle and said he was a great technical wrestler. He talks about how he did not get a chance to work with Harley Race until he was in the WWF. Gene loved Ray Stevens and said he was great on the mic but a terrible golfer. He said that Pat Patterson & Ray Stevens was one of the greatest teams of all time. He was close with Larry Hennig and said they would go to the same gin-mill every week. A short guy came up and kept bothering Hennig, who warned him, and the guy came back then Hennig stomped his foot on the arch of the guys foot, who immediately dropped down.
He is now asked about announcing and said that Gordon Solie was the best at having fun with the product and selling the angles in a serious manner.
When asked who had the best in-ring psychology in the ring, Gene lists a few guys. He said that Mad Dog Vachon had a great feel for what to do in the ring to get the crowd going.
Gene is asked about Bruiser Brody. He said that Brody had a reputation of being a loner and a troublemaker but would just stop by quickly in the AWA for a few months. Gene said he was talented and had a love/hate relationship with Verne. He feels sad regarding his death.
He is now asked about Bobby Heenan and said in his 35 years of wrestling, he probably worked 31 of them with Heenan. Gene said the first suggestion he made to Eric Bischoff was to hire Heenan. Gene said that Heenan wanted to be a commentator because he did not want to be on the road and talks about how his throat cancer has taken his livelihood away. Gene receives a call from Kevin Dunn and says he will call him back after he finishes his interview with some people from Philadelphia. He talks about Bobby being the best color commentator.
Gene said that Verne took it hard when Hulk Hogan left the AWA, saying he felt betrayed. Gene said that Hogan sent Verne a telegram from Western Union that he was leaving to go to the WWF. At that point, he was in conversation with Patterson and Vince to join the company. However, Gene had his business at the time and could only work one day a week but Vince ended up cutting a deal with him of working three days every three weeks and Gene said he could triple his salary that way. When asked if he heard about the rumor of Verne offering the Iron Sheik $100,000 to break Hogan’s legs, Gene said he did not but if Verne was to offer him something, it would have probably been $10,000. Gene started with the WWF in December of 1983 during the “Wrestling at the Chase” shows.
When Gene left the AWA, he said that Verne told him he could not leave then Greg Gagne came in and asked Gene how he could leave after they had taken care of him for thirteen years. Gene replied that the WWF made him a better offer and that they never gave him a counteroffer so Greg told Gene to go take the WWF’s if it was so damn good, thinking Gene might back off, but Gene was gone. He then said that he was one of the first to leave and did not know if the rest of the locker room all wanted to jump ship or not. 
On the subject of Verne not changing his ways, Gene said that refused to and called him an “isolationist” who would stick to his cities and towns and not changing the way he did things. 
He got along with Vince and had a lot of fun with him. Gene said that Vince was not as guarded as he is today, due to how many times he has gotten burned. Gene said that the six months leading up to WrestleMania was grueling. Gene thought that if WrestleMania bombed, it would have killed the company.
Gene now tells a story about Vince McMahon offering Verne Gagne a deal. It was in early 1984 and Vince was sitting in Gene’s office in downtown Minneapolis. Vince offered Verne a $10 million buyout and that Verne and Greg would get $100,000 a year for five years. Vince told Verne that he could give them national TV exposure with the deal but Verne exploded at him and said that if his father would be irate if he knew what he was doing.
He talks about the difference between the AWA and WWF in terms of production. He said the WWF was much more organized and calculated compared to the AWA, which was disorganized and things were written down last minute.
Gene talks about how he replaced Pat Patterson as a color commentator, a role that Okerlund said he was not cut out for at all (he is right about that, Gene was awful in that role). Gene takes a sip out of a Poland Springs, joking that it is imported from Russia.
When asked about being the host of “Tuesday Night Titans,” Gene said that they were told not to rehearse anything on TNT. He puts over Don Muraco and Mr. Fuji for cracking him up during their skits. He also said that the Russian Bear that was on for a segment with Nikolai Volkoff took a shit on the stage that stunk up the whole building. Gene also tells a story about the Iron Sheik and how he had a segment with the camel and asked Gene about its name, so he told the Sheik that it was “Clyde” but called it “Claude” when he got on air.
On whether or not Hogan changed with success, Gene said he did but at the same time, he had to put his guard up due to all of his fame. He then adds that all sorts of people came up to him trying to make side deals.
Gene did say that it was Hogan’s idea to put him in a match against George Steele & Mr. Fuji. Gene then talks about the training videos and how the guys would bust his balls by making him do multiple takes of the runs. For the match, Gene high-fived Hogan after he cleaned house then the ref told him to go into the ring. Gene said that originally, Hogan told him he was not going to wrestle at all and just stand on the apron.
Gene tells a story about Fuji. He said that when he was managing Killer Khan, Fuji did not like him. Khan did a gimmick in which he spit liquid, which was actually mouthwash. They were taping a bunch of interviews and in between takes, Khan would put some mouthwash in his mouth and during the actual interviews, Fuji would whack Khan in the legs with his cane and shove Copenhagen into his mouth, trying to prove how nothing could stop him as Khan had to try as hard as possible to prevent the mouthwash from leaving his mouth .Gene said that one time in Washington, Fuji hit him so hard that Khan ended up swallowing the Copenhagen and the mouthwash.
When asked if the rivalry between Hogan and Ventura was real, Gene said it was and probably still is today. Gene said Jesse was on top of the AWA then Hogan came in and took that spot, which Jesse did not like. When asked about Hogan and Roddy Piper, Gene said you could really feel the tension between those two in the locker room as Hogan would not give Piper the time of day.
He is asked if Jimmy Snuka was not in the main event due to the death of Nancy Argentino. Gene did not think it was due to that because he did have a spot in the main event at one point but he was using a lot of drugs and was unreliable as a result.
Gene said that Mr. T was very difficult to get along with but adds that Liberace was a pro. Gene tells a story about how Mr. T missed a press conference in New York because he wanted to clear his head and went off in his limo for a few hours.
Now, Gene is asked how he got to sing the National Anthem at WrestleMania because the person who was supposed to sing the song never showed up, with Gene joking that they might have been partying with Snuka all night. He said that when the performer never showed up, Gene went to Vince and said that they could not start the show without the National Anthem and volunteered to sing. Gene said it was not his best performance.
They ask Gene about his infamous interview with Rick Rude from SummerSlam in which he swore. Gene said he did not get heat for that as the interview was pre-taped and they used the wrong tape for the show and in the Gorilla position, Vince was yelling through the mic to Jesse so he could cover for Gene but he buried him instead.
His favorite guys to interview during the 80’s WWF . Gene said that Tony Atlas was tough to work with and had his issues with drugs but has cleaned up his life today and is friendly with him. He asks the guys to guess who was the most difficult and they both correctly guessed the Ultimate Warrior. Gene said that he could talk with the Warrior on the phone and still probably have no clue where he was going with the conversation.
Gene is then asked about the confrontation between the Rougeau Brothers and the British Bulldogs. He said that the whole thing was juvenile and that the Rogeau’s beat the crap out of the Bulldogs.
When asked, Gene said that he saw people crack due to the brutal road scheduled. Gene said he almost cracked himself then joked how he went to the psychiatrist instead to work out his issues. He tells a story while in San Diego, he filmed 141 interviews that were about three minutes long apiece.
Talking about the David Schultz/John Stossel incident, Gene said he had no idea if Vince put Schultz up to it but Vince loved pressed and just wanted to make sure that the names were spelled right and that the WWF was mentioned. He said that he was about ten feet away from the incident when it happened.
Gene said that Haku was the toughest guy in the locker room and no one would mess with him. Gene also said that some of the big starts were “pussycats” in reality.
He said that he loved working with Howard Finkel on promos, even if he could drive you nuts. Gene also liked Rene Goulet, saying that his English was terrible even after 25 years in the United States but did enjoy his company.
In talking about the Nailz/Vince McMahon incident, Gene said that he heard a lot of screaming and shouting from Nailz, who was pissed that the Big Boss Man had a check for $25,000 while Nailz had one for $8,000. He said that Jim Duggan went in to break up the fight and talks about how Nailz is now a bounty hunter.
When asked if Savage was paranoid regarding Elizabeth, Gene said that he was and said when Savage went off to the gym before the TV tapings, he would lock Elizabeth in the room and take the key with him. He tells a story that took place at the Halloween Edition of “Saturday Night’s Main Event” from 1985 when Elizabeth had to pass the apple around to both him and Roddy Piper and he heard Savage grunting in the background.
Gene liked Andre the Giant and said they shared the same hobbies: good food, wine, and playing cards. Gene said that Andre was a sensitive guy and once sat him down on a flight and told him that people thought he had a great life but would have kids and others point and laugh at him because of his size.
He is asked about the Ultimate Warrior holding up Vince for money at SummerSlam, Gene said he was there and that the Warrior was wrong for threatening to not work a show the day of the event to get more money and said there is no room in any business for someone who acts like that and that Warrior could not be trusted.
Gene is asked if there was someone who made it as a star that he never though would. He said he thought smaller guys had less of a chance to make it big and said that Bret Hart was not good on the microphone and nervous in the ring when he started. He talks about Shawn Michaels and how he really likes him and said that they tried to get him to go to WCW but Gene said he was loyal to Vince.
He talks about Kerry Von Erich and tells a story at a promotional event that took place at a restaurant in New York City as Kerry is whacked out of his mind and tried to stick the fork in his mouth but it fell all over him and he had food all over his sleeves too.
Gene said that drugs were prevalent in wrestling in the 70’s and 80’s. Gene said that he would partake in stuff outside of alcohol but knew his limits. He then said a lot of things that happened shouldn’t have due to drug use.
On how he wound up in WCW, Gene said that his contract with the WWF was up and they did not offer him a renewal. He said that change was good for everyone and still left on good terms with Vince, saying he gave him a hug and that they had a hell of a run.
Initially, he liked Eric Bischoff and thought he seemed refreshing. He also did not know if he had a handle on what was going on with the company.
Gene said that the difference between the WCW and WWF was the production values, noting how WCW had lousy values and was disorganized. He did say that they improved a lot when Nitro started.
On the subject of the “Scheme Gene” character, Gene said he was not offended by it and added how could anyone be offended by something like that.
He talks about the hotline and how it was making $350,000 a year in revenue.
When asked about Nitro and if the concept would work, Gene talks about how he never understood why they wanted to go head-to-head with the WWE and thought that they should have ran on a different night so the wrestling fans could enjoy both products. Gene then said that Ted Turner was the one who wanted to be on Monday nights instead of Wednesday.
Gene said that everyone was in Bischoff’s ear and that he should have had a guy like Kevin Dunn to sit down with to go over things. Gene then adds how ridiculous it was to give the wrestlers creative control clauses in their contracts and after a while, it got to be too much.
He is then asked how he had such good chemistry with Ric Flair in WCW as Gene replied back that they had good chemistry in the bar too. Gene said he thinks the world of Flair.

When asked if he thought Hogan was good or bad for WCW at the end of the company’s run, he said it was a good thing and without him, WCW would not have beaten WWF in the ratings. He was then asked if Hogan watched his back in WCW and Gene said no, adding that Hogan looked out for himself, but did say that when he asked Hulk to induct him into the Hall of Fame, he said yes. Gene puts over for re-inventing himself with his reality show.

They ask Gene about the nWo and he puts over how great it was that the fans were confused as whether or not Hall & Nash were in the WCW or the WWF.

Gene talks about how towards the end of WCW, they never knew what they were going to do until 10-20 minutes before they went to air. He then said that when Russo came in, he was not the solution but rather made the problem worse. He did say that the boys knew how to push him around.

He is asked about Pamela Paulshock and jokes that she was nice and well endowed but a huge airhead.

When asked if Eric Bischoff changed over time, Gene believes that Bischoff thought he was a genius due to the success and as a result, became very power hungry. He did say that he thought Bischoff did a great job as the RAW GM when he came to the WWE.

He talks about the creative control clauses in WCW and how guys like Goldberg, who had been in the business for just a few years, had that clause in his contract.

Rob brings up how Bobby Heenan brought up how Tony Schiavone was untrustworthy in his interview and asks Gene about his opinion of Tony. Gene says that Tony was the consumate politician and had a tendency to bury people along the way when he was protecting himself but did not have a lot of problems with him.

Gene said that Mike Tenay was knowledgeable but not a broadcaster. He said that his specialty was in Japanese and Mexican wrestling.

He is asked about Mark Madden and the match they had together. Gene said that was Russo’s fault as that would never draw and the only thing that would have happened was that they would embarrass themselves. Gene said it was garbage.

When asked if they were only worried about getting a big buyrate or winning a quarter hour, Gene said that was exactly what they did and mentions how there was no long-term planning in the company. He then mentions Russo’s shoot on Hogan at the Bash in the Beach and how it was all over after that.

Gene is asked about the sale of WCW. He said that the Time Warner and a lot of Turner’s guys did not want wrestling but that Ted Turner was the one who stood up for WCW. He found out that it was sold when he was sitting at home, after being asked to not come to TV, after signing a long-term deal that was well over one million dollars. When asked if he got paid the entire amount, Gene said that he did.

He said that a lot of guys in the locker room resented DDP, thinking that he only got pushed because he was a friend of Bischoff’s.

After WCW went out of business, Gene said he would call Kevin Dunn to see if he could do any special features for the WWE. Dunn said that he would work on it and six months later, Dunn called him up and pitched the idea for “Confidential.” He said that the show did not expose the business, because it was already exposed as much as any other business, and said that the pieces on Elizabeth’s death and on Steve Austin and Shawn Michaels were the best.

Gene said that Lex Luger felt bad after the Confidential piece and told Gene that he loved the girl but Gene said if he did love her, he would not have fed her booze and pills.

When Gene came back to the WWE, he said that Vince treated him wonderfully and that they talked about the future instead of the past. Gene said he is not big on nostalgia.

On the subject of Vince feeding lines to his announcers, Gene said that it is Vince’s show and if he wants things said a certain way. He talks about how they might have destroyed the spontaneous stuff, like with Joey Styles, but he will not criticize Vince for that.

He thought that Jim Ross was alright but could become very political. He then said how the office pushed all of the Oklahoma stuff with him and that it was not Ross’s idea.

Gene enjoyed calling the gimmick battle royal at WM 17 and jokes how you could have made a fortune as a Viagra salesman in that match. He said that they knew it would be fun and brought out a lot of old terms and descriptions of the wrestlers.

They ask Gene about how different the show production is today and Gene talks about how things today seemed forced but that it is working. He also talked about how they no longer do stand-up interviews and thinks that some of the unscripted stuff that makes it to air is the best part.

Now, Gene is asked about Stephanie and Shane McMahon. Gene said he is big on nepotism himself but also says that both have an understanding of the business. When asked about HHH, Gene said that he worked with him in WCW and said he was hard-working and a student of the game but was going nowhere in WCW. Gene said he was wasting away in the company.

Gene goes back to right before the first WrestleMania and said how Vince had him over his house in Greenwich, CT, along with Hogan, and they mapped out the shows that led to WrestleMania. Gene harped on the fact how modest the beginning of Vince’s run was compared to today.

When asked about the deaths in wrestling, Gene said they were all tragic. He talks about Eddie Guerrero’s death and how he knew him for a long time and was a nice man. Gene said that Curt Hennig’s death was senseless and bashes Roddy Piper for saying that you need pills to get by because that is what killed them.

He is not surprised that Hogan and Flair are still working and on top today. He said that they can outwork some of the other guys that are much younger.

Gene is asked about Bret Hart returning to the WWE. Gene said that he was aloof when he was at the WWE Hall of Fame ceremony. Gene puts over Stu Hart and said that when his son was in the 1988 Winter Olympics in Calgary, Stu let Gene and his wife stay with them.

On Pat Patterson being great at coming up with finishes, Gene said he was an entertainer and could give people what they want to make them pop and come up with something to make the fan buy a ticket to the next event or to buy into the next PPV.

When asked about Bruno Sammartino’s relationship with Vince McMahon, Gene said that Bruno blamed Vince for changing the business and making it all about physiques, which pressured wrestlers into taking steroids.

Gene said that it would be very tough for wrestling to go back to what it was in the past and adds that they should have smartened up the television industry instead of the fans.

They ask Gene if a television writer can make a good wrestling show. Gene said that agents that were former wrestlers should not be coming up with dialogue for the wrestlers but at the same time, the office should come up with dialogue after the office tells them about the direction of the product. Gene then talks about how he made a suggestion to Vince and Dunn about bringing up stand up interviews with the big stars.

He calls Gordon Solie the most talented announcer of all-time. He made the product credible and seem believable. Gene also puts over Vince for calling the action but says that Gorilla Monsoon was his personal favorite.

Gene is asked about the “Montreal Screwjob.” He said that Bret should have been professional in that situation but now it is water under the bridge. Gene said that Bret needed to have done business in that situation.

On asked who belongs in the Hall of Fame, he wants to see the Crusher and the Bruiser. Also, Flair, Rhodes, The Funk’s and Steamboat.

When asked who will be the next big thing in the business, Gene said there is someone now without a character or persona that is a great athlete and has the necessary charisma and they are out there somewhere. He goes back to Steve Austin and said that he made it huge because he became himself with the Stone Cold character. Gene said that Paul Orndorff told him that Austin was great and liked to hunt, fish, drink and have the occasional “goodie.” Gene thought that Batista was on the cusp but had a setback due to injury. He said that Kurt Angle is very talented and that John Cena has been pushed too hard and is causing a backlash but he will be around for a while as he is a hard worker and very talented too.

Gene is asked if he goes on the wrestling internet sites and he said that he did when he had the hotline in WCW, joking how that was the source of his material. He said he lived in a vacuum but did talk with Mark Madden and Alex Marvez.

They ask Gene if Vince is unaware of what else is going on in wrestling. Gene said that people have been saying that about him for the past 20 years but he is aware of what is going on outside of the WWE and surrounds himself with a strong inner circle that helps him now what is happening.

He does agree that the cookie-cutter looks that a lot of new wrestlers today does hurt wrestling as they need to have distinctive looks and personalities.

When asked if he wants to write a book, Gene said that he has a manuscript of 1,200 pages but is going to what until he is completely out of the business and can write the final chapter before he releases the book. Gene said that he will end up stepping on a lot of people’s toes when it is released.

Gene believes that if he was staring out in the business today, he would get hired by the WWE, even though the company wants the announcers to be less colorful.

On the subject of who he traveled with, Gene said that he mostly did it by himself but did travel a lot with Bobby Heenan. He tells a story that took place when they were in WCW. He said how Bobby loved to have a cocktail and he wanted to fly first class from Salt Lake City, UT to Oakland, CA. There has no first-class ticket that day so they had to fly to Salt Lake to Denver in order to catch a flight that had first class seats left for Oakland. Gene said that Heenan had all of the whiskey in the world and he was right there with him. On the second flight, Heenan struggled to get his luggage into the overhead and was drunk then one guy came up and asked him if he was alright and Heenan replied back “what the hell are you, a doctor?”

The interviews end with Gene saying that he has no regrets.

Final Thoughts: I thought this was a solid interview. Gene seems like a nice guy and his voice can draw you in, even if not everything he said was exciting. You could definitely tell that Gene was careful not to burn any bridges with the WWE though. He did have some funny stories and was not afraid to poke fun at himself, which is refreshing.

Personally, I think it is sad when you look at the announcers and interviewers today and how non-descriptive and bland they are. They do not have the distinctive voices the guys from the 80’s and 90’s had and to me, that hurts the product. You should want to have a voice associated with the show, someone who can get everything over.

Overall, this interview captured my attention but at the same time, there was no groundbreaking revelations when I finished. I recommend this if you are a fan of Okerlund and the 1980’s WWF.

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Little video you could use for the Blog of Doom possibly?

17th June 2014 by Scott Keith
What's up Scott? Congrats on the Sporting News gig. I always love reading your work as you helped me learn what really goes on in the wrestling business with the insider terms and all. Always love the rants! 

I was at the House of Hardcore event this past Saturday, and it was a fun show to be at! Bad Influence vs Young Bucks was a MOTYC I thought. There was also a convention before that where I met legends like Flair, Funk, Piper, and more! Here's a little video I made of it. Maybe the Blog of Doomers would get a kick out of it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSi-i51t6DY

Thanks a lot!

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Top 10 Most Overrated Video Games Ever

16th June 2014 by Scott Keith

Here’s an interesting one that I came across, a list of the most overrated video games of all time, done by voting, rather than just some guy doing a 411/Bleacher Report top ten list:

http://www.thetoptens.com/most-overrated-video-games/

For those not wanting to click on the link (it’s not in slideshow view), here’s the top 10:

1. Call of Duty
2. Halo
3. World of Warcraft
4. Angry Birds
5. Minecraft
6. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarnia of Time
7. Halo 3
8. Grand Theft Auto 4
9. Final Fantasy X
10. TNA Impact (what?)

I would have put #6 and #8 at #1 and #2, respectively, and I can’t argue that any of the top 9 should be bounced, but TNA Impact at #10? I’ll admit I’ve never played it, but from everything I’ve heard it’s nothing special, I don’t recall people raving about it at the time.

Anyway, the link actually contains the top 100, and there’s some surprising picks on there. If nothing else, this is way more interesting than talking about soccer.

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RF Video Shoot Interview with Justin Credible (2014)

12th June 2014 by Scott Keith

This was filmed in 2014

The Interview was conducted by Brett Lauderdale

It runs at two hours and three minutes long


The interviewer briefly mentions how RF Video last interviewed Justin in 2003.

Credible said he trained in Calgary with the Hart’s after he saw an advertisement in a wrestling magazine for the “Hart Brother’s Wrestling School.” Credible spoke with Bruce then went up to Calgary when he got the money. He was just eighteen years old at the time. Credible said the Hart’s rented out a hall and they went five days a week for two months, training up to four hours a day. He said the class started with nine students and only two of them ended up finishing. Credible said that it was a great decision and brings up how everyone else then started at the same level where today, you can have guys who have been in training for over a year, which Credible thinks is incredibly stupid. He said that Keith Hart was involved and Bruce was barely there while Stu was not present at all.

He said the location was just outside of Calgary and they lived in what he called a shady motel above a strip club. He said that Lance Storm and Chris Jericho had trained their the previous year and would help out at times. That is how Credible formed a friendship with them.

His first match was when he was 19 in November of 1992. It was for the Rocky Mountain Promotion and he paid his own way to get there so he could wrestle and get some experience. Credible then added that his second match was against Chris Jericho. He came home for Christmas that year then left and never returned home. Credible said that he was broke but did not want his parents to know that he was struggling and said that he would go days without eating.

In January of 1993, he attended a WWF house show in New Haven, CT. Credible said that he was naive and did not know any better and went backstage and saw Tony Garea and Rene Goulet, who were the agents, and introduced himself. He mentioned that he was trained by the Hart’s and they told him to have a seat and watch the show. Credible adds that the business has changed so much that you could never do something like that today. Garea told him that they were going to shoot a new show called “Monday Night RAW” in Manhattan and were needing to get some talent to do jobs.

Credible is asked about his first match on RAW against Lex Luger. He said that he was not nervous but rather surreal. He said he only had about eight matches under his belt and went backstage and saw stars like Randy Savage. Credible said that they made you ready and that actually calms your nerves. He then talks about fundamentals in wrestling and how he is not the flashiest guy but in wrestling, you either get it or you don’t. About the match, he said that Lex was easy to work with. He worked again with him at that same taping.

The payoffs at that time for the tapings were $150 plus transportation.

Credible said that he liked working with Yokozuna, who he said would “jack up” some guys when he performed the banzai drop. He adds that if you sold for him, he would take care of you. Credible said that on TV, the guys all brought their “A” game and would lay into you. After a while, the locker room would appreciate him as a jobber because he could take all of their offense and some of the jobbers at the time were old and out of shape, thus unable to take some moves.

He talks about his first ever win on TV against IRS. He said that they played off of the 1-2-3 Kid angle as Scott Hall was taking him under his wing backstage. Credible said that he was feeling comfortable there and always felt very well-liked.

His first impression of Vince McMahon was that he came across as a larger than life cartoon character. He said that Vince would start acknowledging him after a while. He said that Vince never said much.

Credible is asked about doing some TV jobs as PJ Walker on “WCW Worldwide” in 1994. He wrestled against Vader and the Nasty Boys. He said he befriended Paul Roma at a gym in Connecticut and he worked a few tapings in a week and got the gig as a result of him. When asked, he said there was no feedback from the office in WCW. Credible said that in WCW, you could never tell who was in charge, compared to the WWF where they had the fingers on the pulse of everything.

He then talks about how he was offered a contract by the WWF. During the Undertaker vs. Undertaker feud, the WWF needed someone to take bumps for Brian Lee. He said that Garea booked him to work with Brian Lee and the Undertaker to prepare them. He was in his gear and Vince was there, with Pat Patterson. He worked a TV match with Brian Lee and Patterson apporached him and asked who trained him. He then asked about his nationality, which is Portuguese, and when asked if he spoke the language, Credible said that he was fluent. Patterson then told Vince that he was Portuguese and little did Credible know, they already had the Aldo Montoya gimmick written up and after two months, Vince pulled him aside after a TV Taping and offered him a deal. He was not immediately told about the gimmick then added that he did not even see the costume until the day he debuted the character.

Credible is asked about Shawn Michaels back then. He said that Shawn was a mess but very competitive. He said that he was not even old enough to be in bars at that time and wound up as the driver. He did say that Shawn was quick to accept him and how Shawn is a completely different person today.

Speaking about the Kliq, Credible said that people do not realize that they were passionate about the business, even if they were not always right. He said that he would learn from them by riding in the cars as he was only a few years in the business and listen to them discuss the matches on what did and did not work.

Still on the Kliq, he said that he saw a lot of them pass out from using a lot of somas and get into bar fights. When asked, he said that they were “dicks” to fans when they approached them at bars. He felt like he was a babysitter back at this time.

He is now asked again about Shawn and Credible said at this point, he was all about wrestling and getting fucked up. Credible even said that Shawn had a system down that he would take his pills at a certain time so right after he finished his match, they would kick in and he would immediately be high. He then said that Hall was even worse with the drugs.

On how they got the drugs, Credible said that they were all prescribed by doctors. He mentions the fanny packs that wrestlers wore to carry their pills and said that you would go to Curt Hennig for pain pills, Hall for Xanax, and Shawn or Road Dogg for somas. He said that you were basically the odd man out if you did not have anything and attributes that to the crazy schedule, which he said has been corrected today.

For the first few years of his wrestling career, Credible said that he never used drugs. He recalls the end of a 20 day tour in Germany that he was so exhausted that he put his head into an ice bucket right before his match in order to wake himself up.

He is asked about the first time he took a pain pill. He wrestled at a small show against the Brooklyn Brawler and blew out his shoulder. He was at the bar with Hall, nursing a Coors Light, and told Hall that he hurt his shoulder and gave him two pills and told him to take them, even calling him a “puss.” He said he never did drugs before but noticed the relief he got from those pills. He said at that time, he was still naive and had a lack of education about substance abuse and figured that this was what everyone was doing and could not show weakness as he was running with a group of alpha males. Credible said it took him years to realize that he had a problem.

Credible is asked about other big names at that time doing drugs and he states that he took acid with the Undertaker while on a plane ride to the Philippines. He also mentions how Michael Hayes would hit up the locker room for drugs and he was an agent at the time. Credible said that the drug problem was rampant but that some guys were better with their use than others. He said that they were testing for marijuana and steroids primarily but if you tested positive for Opiates and had a prescription for Vicodin or Percocet, you were fine.

At this point, Credible said that he was doing everything, from pills to coke. He then tells a story about how he and Hall were smoking a joint during a drive from Montreal to Boston and got tested when they arrived and only Hall got popped. Credible said that Hall had heat with Vince at the time then adds how they were picking and choosing who to bust.

He mentions how he once had two eight-balls of coke in his pants passing through customs in Kuwait and ended up snorting it with Shawn. At this time, they would charter buses for heels and babyfaces for the overseas tours.

Back on the subject of wrestling, he is asked about working with Ted Dibiase. Credible said that he was stepping down to a managerial role and going through the motions but would give you a lot of offense in the ring.

When asked about his first impression of HHH, Credible said that he was always serious about the business and rarely partied, if ever, but would joke around and was a likable guy. He said that Shawn, Hall, and Nash thought that he was money and brought him into their circle as they wanted to be around guys who they thought could draw money.

He said that Nash is a cool guy who was all business. During the time Nash was champion, Credible said that they were upset about payoffs as business was bad and WCW was paying better. At this time, Credible was making from $60,000-$75,000 a year and nothing was guaranteed and you were paid off of the house. When asked, Credible said that his friendship with the Kliq got him booked a lot.

Credible is asked about working house shows with Steve Austin when he was the “Ringmaster.” Credible said that the stunner would get a pop even before he became Stone Cold.

He said that he was also cool with the Undertaker, Godwinn’s, and Rikishi at this time.

The interviewer goes back and asks him about the time he took acid with the Undertaker. He was sitting behind the Undertaker when Henry Godwinn told him to take it and within twenty minutes, he said he was “bobbing and weaving.” When asked about the Undertaker on acid, Credible said that he was funny. Credible then said that overall, Undertaker was a real cool guy that was level-headed.

On the Aldo Montoya gimmick, he said it sucked but it was a learning experience. He said that he ended up going to Vince’s office and wanted to learn and do something else so Vince sent him to Memphis and told Credible that he was going to bring him back as a heel. He also said if he wasn’t going to do anything, he was going to ask for his release as he was talking to Scott about joining WCW. Credible believes that Vince sent him to Memphis because it would look bad if more guys were leaving.

Justin said that he respected Jerry Lawler but never cared for the Memphis style of wrestling. At one point, he tried out with the Nation of Domination gimmick as part of PG-13 but he ended up quitting six weeks into his Memphis run. The day he quit was when Heyman came down as part of the ECW/USWA feud and he met up with Chris Candido who hooked him up with Paul Heyman and he signed a deal.

He thought that Heyman was a “mad genius” and loved him in WCW. Justin believed that Heyman hired him as he needed solid guys who could work. He said a lot of the ECW guys were homegrown and raw but it was a sloppy style of wrestling and needed more polished workers. One of his first matches there was with Jerry Lynn and he even wrestled a match as Aldo Montoya.

Justin talks about how he never established a character or got comfortable on the microphone until 2000 while in ECW. When asked about the Justin Credible character was created, he said that the urban legend was that Bilvis Wesley saw the name on a bumper sticker and wanted to use the name for himself but Paul thought it fit him instead of Bilvis and gave him a small sum of money, about $150 for the name.

As Justin Credible, he talks about how he could work all sorts of styles. He is asked about being stuck with Jason Knight. At the time, he thought it was corny but looking back, he was glad that it started that way.

When asked about Chastity, she was hanging around at the time and they wanted Justin to have an entourage so they stuck her with him.

He is asked about the drug scene in the ECW locker room, Credible said that it was more recreational drugs than pain pills. He talks about the travel being much lighter than the WWF as a reason for that.

Justin is asked about several wrestlers he worked with in ECW. He thought he had good chemistry with Jerry Lynn and cites his match at Heatwave 1998 as his breakout match, which included a tombstone piledriver from the second rope. He said that Tommy Dreamer helped him adapt to the ECW style of wrestling. At first, Justin said that he was apprehensive about using the hardcore spots. He thought that Masato Tanaka was great. He talks about how the Sandman character was not a gimmick but that he was an intelligent guy who could work in the ring. He talks about getting to beat the shit out of Sandman when he left for WCW and got the kendo stick gimmick as a result.

When he got more popular in ECW, Justin said that he got to become the Shawn Michaels of the promotion. He occasionally traveled with Tony DeVito or Lance Storm but usually just traveled with his wife.

He is asked about Heyman’s attitude of the locker room drug use, Justin goes back to the “mad genius” of Heyman and how he was able to keep things together. Justin also mentions Dreamer and how he was basically the Pat Patterson of ECW, usually coming up with the finishes of the matches.

On the subject of Nicole Bass, Justin said she was a sweet girl but was lost and pushed into the business by her husband, an older man who would also sell Vicodin and Nubain.

He calls Sid a “rockstar” and said that he could always command a reaction from the crowd. He talks about how he filled in for Shane Douglas and came in on the PPV to work with him. Speaking of Shane, Justin said that he has a lot of respect for him and adds that he was the reason that ECW lasted in the beginning.

Justin is asked about the Impact Players. He said that Dawn Marie had ties into the business and thinks it was because she was dating Simon Diamond. He said that she was smart and knew how to work her roll. He loved being paired with Lance Storm because they were opposites as he was the hardcore guy with jeans and Lance was the technical wrestler. He said teaming with Lance was the easiest thing he did in wrestling because of their chemistry and the fact that they were trained by the same people.

Talking about Raven, Justin said that he liked working with him but sometimes he was so whacked out on drugs or would just be in a mood due to conflict with Heyman and not be his best in the ring.

The Interviewer point blank asks Justin if he was a full-blown addict at this point. He said that he was buying Vicodin from Nicole Bass’s husband and was making $2,500 a week while his wife was selling merchandise and making $150 a show. On the subject of bounced checks from Heyman, he said that he had checks bounce but Heyman always made good, citing one time when he was getting married and needed the money after the check bounced so he went to Paul’s house and got the money he was owed, along with an 1/8th of weed. He thinks that Paul made sure he was paid as everyone was leaving and he could have called up Scott and went to WCW.

He doesnt blame Lance for leaving for WCW and said that his deal allowed him to retire as he got a ton of money. This also led to Justin’s singles run and ultimately the title.

When he won the title, Credible puts it over as making you feel good because you closed the show and the company believed in you.

Justin said that Steve Corino worked hard and was really good. He admired his passion and says that he deserves everything he got.

He said that New Jack never fucked with him and thought he was funny.

When ECW closed, Justin said he was scared. He was reaching out to Jim Ross in the WWF and also to Lance Storm in WCW, who were not hiring anyone because they knew the company was going under. The WWF gave him a contract after two days.

In the WWF, he was paired with Albert and X-Pac as part of the X Factor. He was told at first that they were going to push them strong.

He talks about working against Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero. He said that Eddie was very nice and generous in the ring. He also said that Chris was generous but quiet. Justin also said that you had to work hard with them in the ring.

Justin talks about the Invasion angle ending up as a bust then X-Pac got into trouble with the office so he ended up being cast aside.

When asked how HHH changed from when he first arrived in the WWF, Justin said that he was more about business. He also said at the time, he was dating Stephanie but it was not out to the public yet and he knew because he rode with Regal, X-Pac, and HHH. He talks about one time, instead of driving to a Smackdown taping, HHH got them on Vince’s Jet and they flew. He said that he was on the plane with HHH, Regal, Austin, and Debra.

On teaming with Raven, Justin said it was the “shits” and that he was addicted to crystal meth and pain pills at the time too. He was getting drugs shipped to his home from a guy in Los Angeles. When asked about how he became addicted to meth, he did not give up the name but said that it was someone from the locker room who he was close with. Justin said at the time his career was slowly going down the shitter as there was no more WCW or ECW and he was floundering at the time.

Justin never cared about the Hardcore Title and reiterated that it was a dark period in his life due to his drug use.

He was fired in January of 2003. Before his release, HHH approached him and told him he needed to get his shit together and Justin ended up blowing him off. Shortly after that, he had to sell his home because he was running out of money. Justin got fired after missing a flight to a show because he was high and Johnny Ace called and told him that he was fired. Justin then said he waited a week to tell his wife and cried after Ace called him.

When asked if his release from the WWE worsened his addiction problems, Credible said he doesnt remember that period and does not want to because it was a very dark period in his life.

The interviewer asks Credible about his daily struggles with addiction. He talks about how difficult it was to function as an opiate addict, especially the withdrawals, and how he was too embarrassed to get help for years. Credible now takes over the interview and talks about his drug abuse. He said that he went from abusing pain pills to abusing heroin intravaneously. He said that he was using heroin to get by to prevent himself from being sick as he was no longer being prescribed opiates from doctors as he was not wrestling full-time, which made it easy to get prescriptions. Credible said that the opiates were too expensive to purchase off of the streets. He then talks about how at first, he was snorting three bags of heroin daily just to prevent himself from going into withdrawals. One day, he could only afford one bag then someone told him that if he shot up, he would not go through withdrawals and that is how it started.

Still on the topic of his addiction, Credible said that for a long time, he did not want to give up his drug habit because he felt like Superman when he was high. Credible then talks about how he found that wrestlers mask not only pain with drugs, but also emotions, from dealing with the difficulties in the business. He says that he felt like he had no identity outside of pro wrestling and when that got taken away, he didnt want to feel anything anymore. He said that he swallowed a lot of pride and called the WWE in November of 2012 and asked them for help.

They go back to Credible’s brief return to the WWE as part of the ECW brand in 2005. Credible said that he had no real intentions of giving up his addictions. He talks about trying to lock himself in his house for a few days and go cold turkey but he was unable to overcome the physical pain.

Credible is asked about how he got in contact with the WWE in order to get to rehab. Credible said he called the office and got the number to the company’s addiciton counselor. The WWE ended up flying him to a facility in a suburb outside of Baltimore, MD. Credible said that the place was wonderful. He then talks about how the addictions counselor for the WWE holds weekly phone meetings (almost like a narcotics anonymous meeting held over the phone) that would have other wrestlers who were addicts as well.

He speaks about how it is still a constant struggle to maintain sobriety. Credible says that somedays, like today, are good while others are not. He does say how he is happy to say that he has not touched any opiates or any other drugs since leaving rehab a year ago. He said that if someone would have told him a year ago that he still would be sober today, he never would have believed them. Credible then talks about how he got hooked up with DDP Yoga and said it gave him another obstacle to climb as he continues to go through his recovery process. He then shows us a new tattoo on his arm that reminds him of his new beginning, noting that an old track mark is still present.

Credible talks about his career and how he wants to leave a better legacy behind. He talks about how he is getting a lot of independent bookings and helping teach classes and reiterates about wanting to leave wrestling on a positive note.

The interviewer asks if the WWE Rehab offer is only for 30 days. Credible said that it is all open ended and they tell you to just get well. Credible then talks about how at first he thought the WWE Rehab offer was just a PR move, and he still does to some degree so the company can cover themselves with all of the drug abuse deaths in wrestling, but says that the business has changed and the drug abuse is almost non-existant. He talks about being in a locker room recently and that there were no drugs around backstage and if anything, someone might take a pill or smoke a joint but that is all. Credible gives credit for the newer generation of wrestlers for standing up and saying enough is enough regarding the drug abuse and talks about how the generations before them took a lot of shit.

Now, Credible is asked about the recoveries of Jake Roberts and Scott Hall. He talks about having a close bond with Hall, saying that Hall would call him up drunk on occasion and that they would rely on each other for support. Credible then talks about a photo at a recent “House of Hardcore” show with former ECW wrestlers. Credible said that Tommy Dreamer invited him and the other’s to the show because they were all sober now. Credible then talks about how when they were in ECW, it was cool to use drugs but now that is not the case at all.

Credible is asked about his family and how aware they were of his drug abuse. He said that they were all aware and tried to help. He said that he put everyone through a lot of “shit” but today, he can’t believe that he has regained the respect of his family. He then tells a story of how he was recently at his mother in law’s house and went to the bathroom and saw a bottle of Percocet sitting on the counter and how five years ago, he would have considered taking them or make him want to get some for himself but on this occasion, he said that he was not triggered by the bottle at all and is proud of that.

When asked about making amends to people he hurt or screwed over in wrestling after leaving rehab, he said that he did. Credible added that it was not hard but in some instances, it was too painful to reach out. He said that he still has some work to do.

Now, Credible is asked about his “Pro Wrestling 101” videos that are available online. He talks about being a guest on Colt Cabana’s “Art of Wrestling” podcast and after that, Cabana told him to do a podcast of his own or make videos so people know that he is around and to keep yourself relevant. Credible said that he thought about what to do and said that he was doing a lot of independent shows and felt that so many of the other wrestlers would never be able to get the knowledge from experienced veterans like he did when he first broke into the business so he decided to make videos about all of the things he has learned from wrestlers over the years as a way to give back to wrestling and to keep himself relevant.

Credible is asked if he would ever want a job with the WWE as a trainer. He said that he would and adds that he follows the current product and even keeps in touch with others in the company. He said that he would like to stay sober longer before atetmpting to land a job like that but wants to do that sooner rather than later.

He talks about how he loves wrestling, whether it is being in the ring with a young guy or a veteran. He said that in the ring is the only way he can be creative and said that wrestling is now his heroin.

When asked about what he would want people to say about him twenty years down the line, Credible said that they would want him to say that he loves the business, was honest, and worked as hard as he could to entertain the fans.

Credible closes by plugging his website and his “Pro Wrestling 101” videos. The interviewer thanks Credible for having the balls to say what he did as Credible says that this interview was liberating and that

Final Thoughts: I really liked this interview, especially the end. Credible was open and honset about his struggles to finally ask for help and to stay sober. I really, really hope that he can stay on the right path. He also shed some light on the WWE Rehab process and how it does seem to help out the performers even when they have finished a stint at a facility.

While discussing his “dark period,” you could tell that Credible was still uncomfortable even thinking about that time in his life. He could be seen nervously bouncing his legs at times while talking and on one occasion, just did not want to go back to that time and place. However, when he talked about being sober and winning back the respect and trust of his family, the anxiety decreased and took great pride in his sobriety. I also respect how Credible never blamed anyone for his addiction. He took responsibility for his actions.

Credible also shines a light on how bad the drug scene was in wrestling and how much it has cleaned up today. Like he said, the guys today learned from the mistakes that he and his fellow wrestlers made when they were on top of their game.

I recommend this interview as it is a great story of someone who is has made a lot of mistakes and took the steps to correct that. Credible really seems genuine when he says that he wants to give back to wrestling. He did not go in depth into his stories of drugs and did not glorify the examples he gave. He did not have a bad word to say about anyone and I wish him all of the best.

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Vlog: Wrestlemania Axxess Video & Photographs.

12th June 2014 by Scott Keith

The Masked Reviewer shares his collection of video and photographs taken from his experience at Wrestlemania Axxess on April 5, 2014.

Also featuring match between Bayley and Paige from Axxess.


Remember to follow me on twitter! @maskedreviewer

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RF Video Shoot Interview with Powers of Pain

5th June 2014 by Scott Keith

This was filmed on October 30th, 2004

It runs at one hour and nineteen minutes long

The interview was conducted by Rob Feinstein and Doug Gentry

Barbarian is asked first about how he got started in wrestling. He started out in sumo wrestling and was taught by Red Bastein. Barbarian said the transition from sumo to professional was tough. In his first match, he wrestled an old-timer from Germany who kicked his ass and Barbarian said he almost quit the business after that.

He then briefly worked for Lawler and Jerry Jarrett in Memphis. He said that Lawler gave him the gimmick with the face paint. After that, he went to work for Ole Anderson in Atlanta. When asked about the transition, Barbarian said that Memphis was a “gimmick” territory while Atlanta was more about the competition and he liked that better. He said while in Atlanta, he and the Road Warriors were involved in matches and they were young and did not know any better and would beat the shit out of each other in the ring.

The Warlord got started in the business when he was at a gym in Minneapolis when Road Warrior Animal approached him about starting in the business. Animal sent a photo of Warlord to Dusty and he spent nine months in the NWA before he was sent to the Central States territory in Kansas to work for Bob Geigel in order to gain some experience. He said he watched some of the AWA growing up but wanted to be a pro football player.

He said that his very first match was his first time in an actual ring as he only trained on mats with Ed Sharkey. Other wrestlers he trained with were Brady Boone and Teijho Khan.

He is asked about being paired with Baby Doll when he first started. He said that he was really nervous at that time but she did a great job of calming him down. He talked a bit about his feud with Dusty Rhodes and he said that Dusty helped him out a lot and calls him a nice guy with unbelievable charisma. Barbarian chimes in that Dusty is a great businessman.

Warlord said that he loved being in Japan. He said he enjoyed the stiff wrestling style and said he was stiff at that time so he adapted well. Barbarian said he used to go by himself to Japan and when he would come back to the States, he would forget and work the stiff Japanese style with the American guys. Both guys liked Antonio Inoki too.

Now, they are asked about how they got paired up as a team. They said that it was Dusty’s idea. Warlord talks about how they had a match against each other in Atlanta they were very stiff. When asked, Warlord said there was no heat from the Road Warriors about their similar gimmicks. He then credits Animal for coming up with the “Powers of Pain” name. Both guys loved working with the Road Warriors.

On how they wound up in the WWF, Barbarian talks about how they were doing an angle for a scaffold match but they did not want to have that match at all as they were too big for it and said how Vince noticed them from the bench press angle and they called him up and went to the WWF.

They are asked about several guys. They like Ric Flair and said how he is still on top of his game. Warlord said he likes Lex Luger but talks about how he always kept to himself in the NWA and wouldnt say hi to guys and that changed in the WWF when Davey Boy kept on ribbing Lex until he changed his ways.

Warlord loved Ivan Koloff and said that he was helpful and would answer any question you had. He said he was a total workhorse in the ring.

When asked about road stories from this time, Warlord talks about how they did a show in New York and Ivan started to drink in the room and fell down and whacked his head off of the radiator and was out cold. Warlord said there are more stories in the WWF because in the NWA, they usually traveled after the shows compared to the WWF where they would stay in the city and leave in the morning.

Barbarian is asked about his reputation as one of the toughest guys in the business, along with Haku. Barbarian said that it’s Haku. He is then asked about a bar fight he got in and Barbarian just said that when you are young and drink, you do wild things.

They are asked about joining the WWF. Warlord talks about how they flew to Atlanta and met Vince, Pat Patterson, and Hulk Hogan, who was filming “No Holds Barred” at the time and were told that they wanted them to start in three days.

Warlord said that when you first go to the WWF, you realize that you have made it as a wrestler. Warlord then said that the Barbarian’s wife made all of their business decisions.

When asked why they worked with Demolition at first then having a feud with the Bolshivicks before going back to feud with Demolition, Warlord said that they built it up that way and talks about how that is not done anymore.

They are asked about the travel schedule and Warlord talks about how one afternoon, they were in Washington D.C. then flew to Boston for a night show then the next day, did an afternoon show in Colorado Springs and a night show in Denver before flying to Seattle the next day then to Phoenix. He said in the Winter, they ran double shows on the weekends.

On the drug screen, Warlord said that a lot of his friends did. He said the pain pills and uppers and downers were the most popular.

When discussing steroids, Warlord said that it is not a necessity but helps keep your body together due to the travel and unlike sports, they never get rest. He also admits to taking them.

Warlord said he loved working with the Hart Foundation. He loved Jim Neidhart and said he would really stiff you with forearm smashes in the corner. He calls Bret one of the five best wrestlers of all-time. Both guys liked working with the Bushwhackers and Warlord said they were hilarious and it was tough to keep a straight-face when in the ring with them. Warlord said the Rockers were one of the best babyface of all-time. Barbarian tells a story of how he pressed Shawn Michaels over his head at a show and he went up so high in the air that he hit the light above the ring and the crowd thought he was dead. When asked if he thought Shawn was going to be a singles star, Warlord did not see it at that time but said the two fought a lot with each other and mentioned how Marty kicked his ass a few times.

On how they split up, Warlord said they were told that they would be working with Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior in singles competition. Warlord said that working with Hogan gives you goosebumps as the crowd goes wild and you see cameras flashing everywhere. He also talks about the payoffs being better. They never worked with the Ultimate Warrior but get always got along with him and Warlord said that they email each other today.

They are asked about other wrestlers. Warlord said that Jake had an incredible mind for the business but he could not get away from the drug scene. Barbarian puts over his promos. Warlord liked Randy Savage and said that he could not believe that the voice he used on TV was the same in person. When asked about being overprotective about Elizabeth, Warlord said that Randy got mad once at the boys when they were getting dressed in the corridor as Elizabeth turned the corner. Barbarian talks about how on tour, Jerry Sags was farting in Elizabeth’s presence and Randy went nuts and called Vince then bought a ticket for Elizabeth to go home. Barbarian said that the Nasty Boys really lived their gimmick.

When asked about how Dusty was treated when he arrived in the WWF, they said he was accepted at first and was like one of the boys but Warlord did say that the polka-dot attire and Sapphire was a total rib on him. Feinstein asks Barbarian about how Lanny Poffo said he wanted to kill Dusty when he first arrived but was charmed to death by him and Barbarian confirms that as true.

Warlord talks about Bret Hart and said that he is like Arn Anderson in that if you have a bad match with them, you should quit the business.

Next, they are asked about Chris Walker. Warlord laughs as he tells a story of how they ribbed him. They told Walker that he should never share a room with Barbarian because he would sit in his underwear and spit into a cup while staring you down. When the hotel only had one extra bed in his roon, Walker got nervous and refused to go into his room. When asked why Walker never made it in the WWF, Warlord said that he had no idea and that he was a good worker.

They said there favorite wrestlers to work singles matches with were Bret, Davey Boy, and Ricky Steamboat.

When asked why the left the WWF, Warlord said that you could only go so long at the company then you had to go. Warlord said the decision was mutual.

They talk about wrestling under masks as the “Super Assassins” for WCW but the fans knew who they were and cheered for them to take off the masks.

Barbarian said that going back to WCW the second time, he liked teaming with Cactus Jack and said that he was crazy but liked him. On teaming with Tony Atlas, Barbarian said he worked really slow. He said that Vader was a bully but he got along with him.

And now Barbarian is asked about Haku. Barbarian said that Haku has a big heart and if you go into a bar with him, he will buy everyone drinks and if you run into a problem, he will take care of it for you. Warlord said that Haku was a great nose and said he was there in Baltimore with the Tonga Kid when Haku bit off a guy’s nose in a bar fight. He briefly talked to Haku, who had been drinking a bit, then sees Haku look around the bar and go towards a guy and that is when he bit off his nose. They put Haku in the car and brought them back to the hotel. He sat in the lobby then a bunch of cop cars showed up and Warlord said he told the cops to give him 15 minutes to calm down and he will be okay because if they don’t, he will try to fight everyone. When asked why Haku bit his nose, Warlord said that the guy looked a Haku wrong in the bar. He said the police waited then Haku was calm when they approached him.

They tell another Haku story while they were in St. Louis. They were at a club and a few guys were calling Haku a “nigger.” Haku was telling them to chill and that he was just here to have a good time and when they did not stop, Haku laid out all four guys in a second. After that a police officer, a former football player in the NFL who weighed 300 lbs, came in and Haku tossed him across the club. Warlord said that the cop said that in the local paper too.

When asked about injuries, Barbarian said he broke his left knee when he fell the wrong way while wrestling as a rookie. Warlord said that when they tagged, the other one would pick up the slack if you were injured.

Warlord said his career ended in 1996 when he was in a car accident after a car was driving the wrong way and he ended up suffering four herniated discs. He is now a bodyguard, running security for two clubs, and was a bodyguard for 50 Cent recently. Warlord said he was a good guy and nice to him. Warlord said that Young Buck was wild but a nice guy too. He got to be there bodyguard when they saw him in a club in Florida and asked if he could do that.

Warlord said that he wished they got a chance to wrestle the Road Warriors in the WWF.

When asked about any rib stories, Warlord said that one time, someone stuffed a bunch of dead mice into Harvey Whippleman’s shoes and when he went to put them on, he ended up squishing them and their guts popped out. He also tells a story of how Curt Hennig put a 1,000 or so ladybugs inside of Black Bart’s bag. Bart then chased around Barbarian with a knife after he thought he stuck his hat in the toilet. the Barbarian was laughing at him as this was going on.

They are asked if they were ever a victim of Mr. Fuji’s pranks. Warlord said no then tells a story of how they were at a hotel bar while Mr. Fuji was pissing in a plant while talking to the hotel manager. Warlord said how Fuji once pissed on Lex Luger’s boot after Lex was pissing off everyone and Lex was afraid to move as he knew that Fuji would keep on targeting him. Warlord said that when Fuji was drinking, he would just piss wherever he was at that time.

Both guys briefly talk about how they wrestle infrequently today and thank the fans of all their support.

Final Thoughts: I liked this interview. It was short and entertaining throughout and really just a breeze to listen too. The Warlord did most of the talking but both guys came across great and were pleasant throughout the interview. There was not even a hint of bitterness from either guy. I have also never heard anyone say a bad thing about either guy and given their size, why would you?

I came away from this liking both guys a lot. As far as the interview itself, they share some insight and had some good stories about pranks and travel. I give this a recommendation and will  add that it is an easy interview to get through in one sitting.

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RF Video Shoot Interview with Scott Steiner

29th May 2014 by Scott Keith
This was filmed in 2005. This copy I watched was remastered by Highspots but the shoot was conducted by RF Video. You could hear Feinstein asks questions along with Doug Gentry. The Highspots guy was asking questions too.

It runs at one hour and fifty-five minutes long.


Scott is asked about his amateur background and said he was recruited and an All-American at Michigan and the time of his life. He joked that he did not go to class a lot and again said it was a great time. He also said “you know” a few times, which happens frequently throughout the interview. Scott said he received a few football scholarships from schools in the MAC conference. He wanted to stay close to home.

He said that he practiced with the Olympic team in 1984 and still keeps in contact with his coach then says “you know” several more times and talks about how it was a lot of dedication and he was burned out on amateur wrestling at that time.
Before he became a pro wrestler, Steiner said he did not watch it until college and growing up only had three TV channels. He said he looked at the wrestlers on TV and knew that he could beat them up.
Scott said that his brother went up to Brad Rheingans camp in Minnesota and trained there but at the time, he was in college and working as a bouncer at a bar called “Good Time Charlie’s.” Scott said he always knew that he was going to be a wrestler at that point.
He was trained by Don Kent and had his first match against him. He said he did most of his “learning” inside of the ring.
After five months, he went down to Tennessee and wrestled for the Jarrett’s. The interviewer brings up a rumor about how he broke Tommy Angel’s nose in two different places during a tryout match his brother got for him in the NWA. Scott was unaware that he broke his nose and said he had a tryout match but does not remember that. He said he wrestled a tryout match once against Chris Adams but forgot about the details. Scott does not remember a lot and that is the theme of the interview, you know.
While in Tennessee, Scott said it was brutal and it was the first time he saw guys use cocaine. He lived with Billy Travis and his girlfriend there but he had a huge problem with drugs. Scott said that the money was shit and the crowds were awful but they got to improve and wrestle almost every day. He was there for ten months.
In Tennessee, he rode with Jeff Jarrett. He is asked about how big he was and if he was lifting a lot. Scott said that he had been lifting since he was a freshman in high school. He said he was about 235lbs in Memphis.
He said that he wound up in WCW when Turner bough the NWA. He came in at the same time as Tom Zenk, Brian Pillman, and a few other guys.
His first match was against the Samoan Swat Team, teaming with his brother. Scott said at that point, he had no desire to be a singles wrestler. He loved tagging with his brother and they traveled together with Sting and Lex Luger a lot.
Steiner is asked about any “food fights” on the road and he tells stories about the Samoan Swat Team driving the wrong way down the highway and how the Nasty Boys were a good time.
When asked about Jim Herd, Steiner said he never had a problem with him but that he had some wacky ideas. He said a few guys did not like having to answer to him.
Now, Steiner is asked about the Varsity Club and he gets a little irritated and says that he has no idea what he is talking about then says “cut.” He then asks again if they have seen him wrestle them and they said yes but Steiner said he doesn’t remember at all. This was pretty funny.
Steiner said that he had some good matches with the Freebirds and said that the Skyscrapers were good. Steiner then said that the most fun in and out of the ring was with the Nasty Boys. The interviewer mentions how in his book, Ole Anderson killed off the mystique of the Road Warriors. Steiner said that they weren’t going to destroy them and said they were doing the same thing for ten years. He said that they wanted to be “King Kong.” He liked working with Doom, calling them nice guys and good athletes.
They asked him about the Frankensteiner move. Steiner said he thought about using it in Tennessee but thought everyone would steal the move if they saw him use it there so he waited until WCW and put his name on it so it could be is but that others use the move today.
He is asked if the company changed when Bill Watts joined WCW. Steiner said that he was an “asshole” and an “old, piece of shit” then said that he told him how he felt in front of everyone at Center Stage in Atlanta. When asked, Steiner said that he was speaking for a lot of guys and that Watts responded by sticking his tail between his legs. Steiner said that their contracts were up shortly and did not get heat from the office.
He is asked about Ric Flair and how he worked with him. Steiner said that Flair was never an athlete then adds how the biggest “pussies” are always the ones who want to have the belt. He then tells a story about Flair that Dick the Bruiser told him when he first got to NWA to drop his bags in front of Flair and tell him to carry them as Flair got into the business by carrying guy’s bags. He says that you cannot trust Flair as he will stab you in the back. He then says that he is the biggest pussy you will ever meet backstage.
In another funny moment, Steiner is asked about Missy Hyatt and how in her book, she said that the Steiner’s stole her dog. He said it could have happened but he doesn’t know.
When asked about working with Terry Gordy & Steve Williams, Steiner said that Williams was legit but that his brother wanted to kill Gordy because he was always fucked up. Steiner said that they always had good matches in Japan against Vader and Bam Bam Bigelow.
He is asked about going to the WWF and Steiner said they never should have went there as it was miserable with Vince going through the steroid trial and only the WBF guys had guaranteed deals. They said that they could get more money in Japan and went there instead.
When asked, he said there first program was with Money Inc. He talks about having a few matches against Bret and Owen Hart, who Steiner traveled with a lot and said that he was a good dude. He said that the Quebecers were “fucking horrible” and when asked if the finish was not what it was supposed to be and Scott first said that he never heard anything like that then starts to freak out and even calls a timeout!
Steiner is asked about Vince and he said he had a meeting with him as they were pissed about payouts and thinks Vince felt sorry that he couldn’t pay them what he promised. Steiner said that Vince was facing jailtime and that they were not his top priority.
He said that they wound up in ECW after Paul Heyman called them up. Another funny moment when Rob Feinstein asks him about the Dudley’s and Steiner said they were not even a team yet and when Rob said they were just starting out, Steiner said that they were not but that Rob would know better than him.
Steiner is now asked about an incident in Japan when they roughed up someone and if they got heat from the office. Rob mentioned that it was in all of the dirt sheets back then. Steiner said that they got it from Dave Meltzer, who gets his information secondhand and that what the fuck does he know because he is not there in the locker room. He said that the guys who stooge off to Meltzer are those who are trying to bury people.
He is asked about returning to WCW and how things were getting better there. Steiner puts over Eric Bischoff as the best thing that ever happened to WCW and if you say otherwise, then you are “fucked up.” He puts him over for bringing up the pay scale and if your agenda is not to make the most money you can, then you are a mark. He said that Bischoff never took any shit from people and fired Greg Gagne for going behind is back.
Speaking about the “Monday Night Wars,” Steiner said that they wanted to beat the WWF. He said that they all looked at the ratings each week and it proved a point that the WWF was not the only wrestling organization out there.
When asked about his “Big Poppa Pump” character, he said that Bischoff initiated it and that it was his idea to have him join the nWo. He talks about being similar to Superstar Billy Graham and trying to copy his beard but said it was too hard and that he only had it for a week.
Steiner is asked about the backstage politics that took place in WCW and said that there were politics from day one. He said that he could have been a 16-Time World Champion like Flair too if all of his friends were booking. He said that he picked on Flair in an interview while with the nWo because that is what they did at the time. He then said that he went backstage afterwards and found out that Flair was legitimately crying. Steiner then talks about Flair trying to get him fired by going to JJ Dillon and Bill Busch. The next day, Steiner said he got sent home and he ran into Flair, who told him that it wasn’t his fault and Steiner said you have to be an idiot to believe whatever Flair tells you. He said that Sean Waltman did the crying stuff from the nWo Horseman Parody because he was crying all of the time. He then says fuck Flair because he got so many people fired and fucked over a lot of guys.
He said that Hulk Hogan is the master manipulator and the best worker outside of the ring of all-time.
When asked about the promo he cut on Kimberly Page, Steiner said that she was “messed up” and said that the women could draw. Steiner said that she got fired as a stripper because she was terrible at that. He calls the Nitro Girls “Tramps from Atlanta” and denies that he ever harassed them because he never gave them the time of day.
He is asked about being suspended prior to the June 27th Thunder tapings and he doesn’t remember that and said it could have happened.
Steiner said that a lot of the stuff he was doing was his own thing. He said Bischoff approved it and said that Kevin Sullivan was the booker and doing the same old shit. He then said that Bischoff would always listen to Hogan and one day when Hogan was late, no one knew what to do.
The interviewer goes back to Steiner getting suspended and ask if it was for threatening Terry Taylor. Steiner said that he didnt get suspended for dealing with him and said he had a short temper and when the played the wrong music, Taylor was nearby and he took out his frustrations on him.

He said that he was there in Buff Bagwell broke his neck and thought that it was “weird.” Steiner then denies that there was legit tension between them.

Steiner said that the only reason DDP got pushed was because of his friendship with Bischoff. He did say that DDP had a little bit of tension.

He said that Sid’s broken leg was one of the worst things he had ever seen. At the time, Steiner said he had no idea his leg snapped as his back was turned and the ref told him that Sid thought he broke his angle. Steiner then said he went over and kicked him and then pinned him after that. Steiner then said that when he went backstage, the guys all saw what happened to Sid and Chuck Palumbo asked Steiner why the fuck was he kicking him then when Steiner saw the replay of what happened, he understood why he was saying that.

They talk about steroids for a few minutes and Steiner denied that he ever took them. He also denies ever taking any growth hormones.

He talks about how he ruptured a disc in his back then took time off only to have it happen a few more times and he ended up needing surgery.

When asked about his series of matches against Booker T, Steiner did not think much of them and said people popped when he one the belt, despite being a heel.

Steiner said that he was not emotional after the last Nitro as everyone knew that the company was fucked. Steiner declined a buyout from the WWE as his contract was good until November and he sat home to heal from injuries.

When talking about the WWE, Steiner said that they originally wanted him to return at WrestleMania 18 to team with Steve Austin against Scott Hall & Kevin Nash. He said that he let is lawyer take care of it and not call him until they came up with the right number financially. Steiner said the WWE was shit at the time and was watching Austin singing in the ring from home on television.

Steiner said that he heard rumors when he did sign with the WWE that he was just going to be there to put over HHH. He said they did not let the WCW guys do their own thing and said they were control freaks. He said they had a bunch of short guys trying to write TV and appear cool.

Next, he is asked about his match at the Royal Rumble against HHH. Steiner said that they took it too long and that the match was only supposed to go on for eighteen minutes. He hinted that they made it go longer in an attempt to bury him. Steiner said that he was not blown up in the match. When pressed a little by the interviewer about why they would try to bury him in the match, Steiner said “you tell me” then said who is dumb, him or them, adding that he was getting paid the same either way. He said the match wasn’t very good and it takes two to have a bad match.

He said his angle with Test and Stacy Keibler was brutal and thought that Stacy should have dressed like Midajah.

He was then asked about Jerry Jarrett writing in his book that it was disrespectful for Steiner to not help out a friend when he and Jeff were trying to get TNA started. Steiner said what the hell did he ever do for him. He said that he is friends with Jeff.

They ask him if he has a desire to wrestle in TNA. Steiner said he just finished a our of Italy but doesnt want his career on a bad note.

Steiner is asked about appearing on the TV show “Charmed” while working in WCW. He said that while explaining to Shannen Doherty’s stunt double that he would have to put his hand in her crotch to perform a press slam, Shannen came up to him and said that she would do that and when Steiner told her that he would have to put his hand in her crotch, Shannen told him that is why she asked. Steiner says that she was cool and gets a lot of bad press.

He is asked about JBL and if he was a bully. Steiner said that JBL tried to do that with Chuck Palumbo by stiffing him in a match and when they got backstage, Palumbo told him off and challenged him to a fight and JBL backed down. Steiner himself denied ever purposely stiffing someone in the ring. He said cheapshots like that are bullshit.

Steiner said that he had a lot of great times on the road but when asked, could not come up with a story.

When asked what he would be doing if he was not a wrestler, Steiner did not know.

He then said it is extremely difficult to get over today as a wrestler in the WWE because you have the same “weasels” in the back trying to script out things for everyone and they all have the same voice.

Steiner is asked by Feinstein if the decision by WCW to put the belt on David Arquette a good one and Steiner went “are you fucking kidding me” before saying it was the biggest piece of shit that he was ever involved in and said it was all because of “Ready to Rumble” which he called a horrible movie. He said that Arquette meant nothing and still doesnt mean anything.

He is asked about the Ultimate Warrior and Steiner mentions how he met him while working in the UWF and that anyone who legally changes their name to “Warrior” has to be fucked up.

Final Thoughts: This interview was something else. Steiner came across as a combination of brain-damaged and high on drugs. Some of this interview was brutal, some of this was funny, and some of it was unintentionally funny. Steiner probably said “you know” about 500 times too. The beginning of this interview was painful as Steiner barely able to recall the beginning of his career.

Steiner certainly dislikes Flair and his bashing of him was the most interesting part of the shoot. There was not a whole lot of insight but Steiner’s brutal honesty was actually refreshing at times. It was tough for the interviewers to ask Steiner questions as he did not remember a lot and even asked for timeouts and edits at times.

As far as a recommendation for this shoot, I really cannot recommend it unless you want to watch/listen to two hours of proof as to how Steiner is a lunatic with a poor memory. The beginning and end of this was painful to watch but there was some entertainment in the middle. Not the worst shoot I have ever seen but I would never want to watch it again.

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RF Video Shoot Interview with Gary Hart

22nd May 2014 by Scott Keith
This was filmed in 2007

It runs for two hours and thirty-three minutes

The interview was conducted by Rob Feinstein

Hart said he became a fan when he went to visit his uncle in Southern Illinois and saw wrestling there. His favorite wrestler was Rip Hawk and Hart said that fifteen years later, he went on to become his manager. 

He said that he got into the business by accident. Hart was a competitive swimmer and saw someone named Billy Gills, who ended up breaking him into the business in 1960.
Hart said that training was brutal as a lot of guys in their 40’s and 50’s would come in and stretch them out during training. He did say that the psychology was the hardest part, specifically laying out the match. He said that by working with a lot of old-timers when he started, it helped him out a lot in that aspect.
When asked about his first matches, he says that he barely remembers and can only recall his second match when he went fifteen minutes with a guy named Tiger Malloy.
As far as which territories he wrestled in, Hart says he was in Chicago first then went on to Detroit, where he met George the Animal Steele, who wrestled under a mask as “The Student.” Hart says that was the first guy he managed that he helped get to a national level. He says that he was in the business for three years at the time and Steele was just starting out so Hart said he made Steele is “guinea pig.”
Hart is asked why he switched from a wrestler to a manager and he said that he was a “ham-and-egger” and could have made a decent career but thought he had an eye for talent and thought he would be a much better manager.
After leaving Detroit, he briefly wrestled in Amarillo but hated it as he was use to Chicago’s nightlife and called it a culture shock then went over to Dallas. Hart said that he grew up a street kid in Chicago and mentions that multiple times throughout the interview, implying that made him act the way he did when he felt that he was getting fucked over. 
Hart said that he was able to deal well with others and never afraid to get fired or have someone say no, which made him good in his role.
When asked, Hart said he gave himself the “Playboy” name. He started off as “Hurricane” first when he worked in Chicago then switched to “Playboy” when he went to Detroit.
He now talks about the Sheik and how he lived at his house and was a father-figure towards him. He said that the experience he gained from him was invaluable, even if he didn’t make much money with him. When asked, Hart said that the Sheik was very protective of his image and would not talk to anyone in public unless he had a relationship with them. He said that the Sheik matches against Mark Lewin would sell out and draw the money in the territory, along with Bobo Brazil.
Hart said that he didn’t patent his style after anyone and did not want to be the center of attention like Jimmy Hart, Jim Cornette, or Bobby Heenan but said that he knew by sitting in the corner they could focus on the talent and still see him there and hate him too. Hart also said that it is not a bad thing to be a manager like the guys he mentioned above.
He then discusses how he went to Amarillo. He was in Detroit when “The Student” left to wrestle in Pittsburgh and went on to become George Steele and wanted to go somewhere else so the Sheik made a call to Dory Funk Sr. and he went to Amarillo.
Hart said that Dory Funk Sr. was a rough but fair guy. He also calls him the first guy who paid him what he deserved. He then said that the trips were long and the buildings did not have any air conditioning.
When asked how he met Terry Funk, Hart said he was in a match with Dory Funk Jr. At the time, he would use the eye claw. He had Dory in the move and heard the crowd roaring as Terry Funk ran to the ring and tried to hop over the top rope but his foot got caught and he fell and Dory told Hart that was his brother, Terry.
He first met Fritz Von Erich in Detroit. Fritz was a heel in Detroit but when he came back, he was a fan favorite. Hart said that Fritz told him that one day he was going to run his own territory and would want him to work there. Later on, Fritz called him and said he was trying to win the book from Paul Boesch in Houston.
Hart said that he was the booker, match-maker, and TV producer for Fritz but they were never friends as the only thing they had in common was their love for wrestling. They worked well together but outside of the ring, their were completely different.
He tells a story of how he slapped Paul Boesch across the face after he was stiffed on a payout then told by Boesch that if he was an actual wrestler, then maybe he would have gotten paid better. Hart then had to speak with Fritz, who was pissed, then Hart snapped back at him about how he tried to screw over Boesch for the book and is now trying to yell at him for slapping Boesch and Hart said they could both go fuck themselves and left.
Hart is asked if he was really given the name “Gay” Gary Hart when in Amarillo and he said that he was but didn’t feel it was right to degrade homosexuals by acting flaymboyant.
He went back to Detroit after being in Dallas. Hart then talked about how Fritz was sending messages to Killer Karl and Billy Red Lyons for Hart to call him. Hart did and said that he called Fritz and worked out a deal for him to get more money and he went back. When asked, Hart said that Fritz had respect for him by not rolling over and taking a lesser deal and knew that Fritz respected him a lot as a talent.
Now, Hart is asked about how he ended up managing The Spoiler. Hart said that he met him for the first time in Amarillo when he was on his way out. He was wrestling as Don Jardine at the time. When Hart returned to Dallas, Fritz asked him if he would like to manage Jardine and Hart said that he did and they put a mask on him and he became “The Spoiler.” Hart said that Jardine had been fucked over a lot before he went to work for Fritz and after being with Hart for a while, Jardine learned to trust him. Hart then adds while he has made a lot of wrestlers over his career, The Spoiler made him. When asked if The Spoiler could have been the World Champion, Hart said he could have but promoters were scared of him because The Spoiler would have no problem smacking them around if he was stiffed on payouts.
Now, Hart talks about touring Australia with The Spoiler for Jim Barnett. He recalls Ivan Koloff was there and only knew one Russian word and in Australia, the population was diverse and they would swear at him in Russian and didn’t say anything back. Despite that, he managed to get over.
Hart is asked about Ivan Koloff having a drinking problem and he tells a story of how he, Swede Hanson, and Rip Hawk all got shitfaced before getting on a plane to Sydney. They landed and sobered up a little bit then they decided to go out and get shitfaced again. Koloff came over to where Hart was staying and they heard a thud from his room, where Koloff passed out, and when he opened the door, Koloff was gone. He saw Koloff the next day at the stadium and said that he snuck out and met Hawk and Hanson again at a bar.
When asked, Hart said that the promotional wars were very dirty and that guys from other places would slash your tires in the parking lot as your show was going on.
Hart loves Bill Watts but says that his reputation as a bully was warranted. He tells a story about Ox Baker, who was a big, awkward guy that drew a lot of money. Hart says that as long as you can make people buy a ticket, you can surround them with talent to make them look better. After a few days of having bad matches, Watts told Baker that he was the worst worker he has ever met in his life. Baker asked Hart if he was that bad and Hart said no and that Watts couldn’t work either. A few days later when Watts ran him down again, Baker replied back he was a terrible worker and when Watts asked him how he knew that, Baker said that Gary Hart told him. Hart then said that Watts’ face turned bright red and he looked like he was going to snap but he stopped and laughed before leaving the locker.
Rob asks Hart about Jerry Jarrett and how he said he was a thief. Hart calls Jarrett a “bum” and a “piece of shit.” He then tells a story of how he was in the Carolinas working for the Crockett’s. Jim Barnett called Hart and wanted him for the final Australian tour. He promised the Crockett’s to help out the guys that worked for the Fuller’s, who were buying into the company. Brute Bernard and himself were the only ones that helped out and they left. Barnett called him and he went down to Atlanta. Watts was the booker but was having problems with Fred Ward, who Hart said looked down at wrestlers and treated them like shit, so Watts left and was replaced by Jarrett. And after Hart helped out his guys in Australia, Jarrett came in and told Hart if he did not do what he said, he was going to straighten him out. After that, Hart slapped him around a bit and as a result, he was fired.
Hart then went to Florida after being fired from Atlanta. He talks about Eddie Graham and how he would give shitty payouts. Hart tells a story after they drew a $50,000 house in 1974, the main event got 1% of the house. When asked if he agreed about Graham being the best guy at finishes in the business, Hart said that he knew how to manipulate wrestlers and he used a lot of ref bumps. Hart says he was a great man in wrestling but wasn’t the best. He did not know why he committed suicide and said Mike Graham was a wonderful person.
Now, Hart talks about Dusty Rhodes. He said that he never saw someone who could sell out arena’s like him and said that in Florida, he sold out 16 weeks in a row, running the same towns each week. He mentions how he was with The Spoiler in Dallas when they first discovered Dusty. He was reading a poetry book and wearing a pair of glasses. Hart said that Dusty had natural charisma and could draw people too him. He said that people bash Dusty but he made a lot of guys a lot of money as the booker for the NWA when they had nothing coming into the territory. Hart says that there would never be a Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior, or Rock if not for Dusty, who created pandemonium in wrestling.
Hart is asked about the plane crash in 1974. He said he was sitting in the back next to Bobby Shane listening to his walkman when he plane crash. They were getting ready to fly into Sarasota and they got caught in a storm cloud and broke out and had to circle over the bay to land and as they started to circle, they flew into the ocean. Hart said that right before they crashed into the water, Austin Idol yelled to pop out his seatbelt and Hart did that just in time. He then said the next thing he knew, he was floating on top of the water and realized he had survived. He saw a light and started to swim and saw Austin Idol, who was panicking. Hart said he calmed in down a bit and pulled him to shore. He then heard Buddy Colt, the pilot, screaming and found him and was able to pull him back to shore. Hart said at that point, he was getting really weak and had lost his right eye, fractured his clavicle and sternum, broken vertebrae and wrist and received 180 stitches when it was all said and done. It was low tide and he was able to reach the ladder after crawling on Buddy’s back and saw someone and they called the police. He went to the dock and dropped a boat then sat under a tree and waited for the ambulance to come. Bobby Shane was killed in the crash.
After that, he went to Atlanta and became the booker. He paired up Bob Orton & Dick Slater and paired up Mark Lewin vs. Adbullah the Butcher and brought in guys from all over due to his connections and said because he was not a domineering guy and wanted to get guys to trust him that he had the right idea. However, he got fired after Eddie Graham, Buddy Fuller, and Fred Ward all wanted him out and Barnett had to let him go, because those were his partners.
Hart then took the book from Red Bastein and was in World Class from 1976-1982. When asked if he trained the Von Erich boys, he said that he trained David, Kevin, and Kerry. He also said that he was the one who pushed him.
He is then asked if David was the most talented of his brothers and Hart said it is tough to say. He said that Kevin was good looking and high flying and David was the better technical wrestler. Hart then said that Kerry had some qualities of his brothers but was the typical dumb jock, which Hart said he doesn’t mean any disrespect and that he loved Kerry.
Hart talks some more about the Von Erich boys and said that despite the fact people think they only got over because their father pushed them, most people did not want to work with them because they were the promoter’s kids and it ended up being a detriment. He said a lot of guys did not want to come in to put over Fritz’s sons. Hart said that he picked in the right guys to bring in for them to face.
When asked if Fritz gets a bad reputation for how he treated his sons, Hart said that he does. He tells a story from 1966, when the boys were very young and in the locker room. They called him “Uncle Gary” as they did not have any uncles and they would tell Hart that they were going to grow up and wrestle him one day. He said that his dad never wanted them to be in wrestling as they were all playing sports throughout high school in college.
When asked about which Von Erich picked up training the easiest, he said that David did in the technical aspect and that Kevin did as far as carrying himself in the ring. Hart said that the boys were respectful and that they never, ever used the fact that their dad was the promoter to talk down to the rest of the locker room. Hart says that they were nice, respectful kids.
Hart is asked about the drug problems that the Von Erich’s had. He said it was overblown but that there main problem was prescription drugs and they kept having doctors give them prescriptions. Hart said he did approach Fritz but he was in complete denial. Hart himself said that he constantly smoked marijuana but would do so at home. Hart said when he was there, he never saw the Von Erich’s no-show any dates.
On the subject of drug use, Hart said that when he produced TV his rule was that if you came in high, you did not work. He said that the Von Erich’s knew if he saw them high, he would send them home.
He now talks about the evolution of the television show. He then said that Mickey Grant had six cameras and wanted to film at the Sportatorium. Hart said that Fritz struggled to understand how television would better the product and puts over Grant for his ideas, such as camera close-ups, then finishes by saying how he believes the TV shows revolutionized the business.
On the subject of the Fabulous Freebirds, Hart said that he brought them in as faces with the plan to turn them heel. It was Christmas and Kerry Von Erich was facing Ric Flair in a cage match. Hart said at the time, he would use troubleshooting referee’s and the Von Erich’s would get screwed over. He then let the fans vote on who would be the referee and they chose Michael Hayes. During the match, Hayes and Von Erich had an argument and as Hayes left, Von Erich went over in an attempt to patch things up but Flair attacked Kerry from behind with a bat and Kerry went into Michael then as Kerry went near the door, Terry Gordy slammed the cage off of his head and the feud was born.
Hart is asked about The Great Kabuki and said that he was a humble guy. Hart said he was looking for a Japanese guy for a long time and found him and really put over his matches with Jimmy Valiant.
When asked about the downfall of the promotion, Hart said when Gino Hernandez died and David Von Erich accidentally overdosed then Chris Adams went to prison for headbutting a pilot, the promotion could not recover as they were presented as family entertainment at the time.
Hart said that Gino Hernandez was like a son to him but he was a tortured soul. He said that he did overdose (there are still questions today regarding his death) and that he had a tremendous cocaine habit.
He ended up leaving Dallas as he was getting underpaid and said that they drew $250,000 on Christmas weekend and Fritz fucked him over on payoffs and he left. He said that Fritz tried to get him to return and said that he declined, saying he was happy in the Carolinas with the guys he was managing. Fritz then called again and asked him if he wanted to come in and help turn Chris Adams heel. He said that he agreed and spent a few days with Adams and said he did great business there.

He calls the program with Kevin Von Erich and Adams one of the stiffest programs ever. He said they had great matches together. After that ended, Gino Hernandez returned to team with Adams against Kevin & Kerry for another long feud that drew a lot of money.

Hart said that he loved working with the Freebirds. He says that Michael Hayes was a capable guy in the ring and doesnt get enough credit. He didnt mind working with Abdullah but said that he had a problem with losing.

When asked about Bruiser Brody, he said that Brody never trusted anyone due to being lied to by multiple promoters and think they got along because Hart was honest with them. He then talks about being able to work with guys who were known as being difficult because he was honest and would use them to the best of their abilities. When asked about Brody’s reputation of being difficult as told by Bobby Heenan and Nick Bockwinkle, Hart said that they would all flip out and get pissed if they were shorted on payoffs or asked to make someone else look good at their expense too but the difference is that Brody would beat the shit out of you.

He shoots down the story of KerryVon Erich allegedly throwing a saw blade at a cat, stating Kerry would never do that as he loved animals.

Hart said that he was not the type of manager for the WWF as they someone with a personality of Lou Albano or Bobby Heenan. Hart then said that the talent he managed knew that he would go to the office to get them what they wanted and if it failed, they would both go elsewhere. Hart admits to being very difficult and said there was hell to pay if he did not get his way, also making him a bad fit for the WWF. He said once he managed The Spoiler in Dallas, he had nothing but success.

He is asked about his last WCW run. At the time, Hart was in Dallas and said he was frustrated with Ken Mantell, who was the booker, because he did not like his ideas so he left. Once the Crockett’s sold to Turner, Al Perez left and they asked him if he could create another Great Kabuki character. They had Keiji Mutoh in mind and Hart said he wanted him to be different than Kabuki and said he wanted to make him the opposite and they made him the Great Muta.

Hart said that Al Perez was the greatest athlete he had ever managed. Rob tells Hart that they did a shoot with Al a few years ago then asks how he ended up disappearing from the business. Hart said that he lobbied for him to work with Ric Flair and the first night they were supposed to wrestle, Kevin Sullivan came to him and said Perez was going to shoot on Flair and take the belt. Hart then asked Perez if this was true and he said it was, because he thought he was the better wrestle and could shoot on him and take the belt, thus getting a bigger contract. Hart said he could not do this with him as he knew the Crocketts and told Sullivan it was indeed true and they came up with the idea that since Hart was not there in Perez’s corner, they could not have the match and after that, Perez was done. Hart said he hated to see that but he had a responsibility to the office and promotion and was the one who went to the office and pitched the idea.

When asked if he saw the tension behind the scenes between Flair and Rhodes, Hart said it was overblown and they had nothing to be upset about as they were making a ton of money.

He said when Dusty left WCW, there was no one else with experience to run the company and that is why it struggled.

Hart said he came up with the J-Tex corporation and it ended up clicking. He wanted to have a corporation-type of stable.

When asked about Sting, Hart said that he was a “selfish, egotistical bastard” and thought that wrestling owed him something and had no respect for the guys that helped put him over. He then says if you have seen one Sting match, you have seen them all. Hart said they developed the super hero persona that children and women loved and when he went to the crow Sting, the fans never wanted to see that.

Hart said that he liked Lex Luger a little more than Sting but called him a loner and that he also did not have respect for the business.

Rob tells Hart about Flair being instrumental in killing the Funk/Flair program. Hart disagreed and said that it was the committee who wanted to get back to the “Four Horseman,” which Hart called “older than his grandmother’s tits” and no one wanted to see that again.

When asked about putting the bag over Flair’s head on TBS, he said the phones lit up at TBS and he took most of the heat and said it was his idea .

Hart said that he was not involved in the booking during 1989, saying it was the committee. He only helped structure the matches of his guys.

He is asked about some of the other people that were there. Hart said that Heyman tried to overshadow the wrestlers he managed but thought he was okay. Regarding Buzz Sawyer, he said that he was terrific but when he was on drugs, he was impossible to deal with.

On how he left WCW, he had an incident at a show in Baltimore with some fans and Hart ended up slapping them. Gary Jester, the promoter of the building, kicked the guys out then they threatened to sue. Hart said that Jim Herd wanted him to go to court and admit that it was “fake” but Hart said that he was not going to do that and told Herd to “kiss his ass” and “go to hell” then quit and went back to Texas.

After WCW, Hart said that he stayed home with his family and said that while he loved wrestling, he hated the travel and said the locker rooms started to feel like prisons and while driving on the highway, he would see homes that had their lights on inside and wondered why he was not with his family. He then said while the people would just see that small glimpse of them on TV, they had no idea what they had to do in order to get to that point. He felt that he was missing his children as they grew up and wanted to be with them instead of calling his family from a hotel room.

Hart is asked how he wound up in MLW with Court Bauer. He was called if he wanted to be a part of the 15th anniversary of the “I Quit” match. From there, he became friends with Bauer and encouraged him to send his resume to the WWE. Hart said he helped teach Bauer how to conduct himself in the office setting and said he was the last guy he helped in the business. He then talks about independent promotions today and said he need to focus on a smaller amount of guys instead of the “bigger is better” mentality, noting that it is a more affordable way to run a company.

He talks about guys today in the independent scene who all look alike and use the same highspots and calls it boring. He then talks about the WWE and likes John Cena and Randy Orton and others who are very good but today there are fewer elite guys.

When asked about his favorite guys to manage, Hart listed off several like The Spoiler, Al Perez, and Gino Hernandez. He never hated anyone he managed and makes a point of saying how you do not want to go the extra mile for a guy that you hate. Rob asks him about the Ultimate Warrior, who Hart managed when he was called the Dingo Warrior, and Hart said that he was a wonderful guy who was always nice and respectful towards him.

If he was managing today, Hart said he could manage guys like HHH, Batista, and Orton. He talks about people ragging on HHH for marrying Vince’s daughter but said he is a tremendous performer. Hart said Batista is limited but reminds him of Road Warrior Hawk.

Hart talks about Vader, who he said had a problem dealing with people and was generally unhappy. Hart thinks he could have helped him and a guy like Sid Vicious as they were constantly having people in their ears talking them up and telling them what to do.

Rob asks him about the Missing Link and if he had a problem with him. Hart said that he did. When he was in World Class, Ken Mantell came back to the company. Hart was the matchmaker and while he was in the dressing room, Link came from behind and hit him in the back of the head. Hart thought nothing of it because he said wrestlers did all sorts of crazy shit. Link then hit him in the temple and knocked him off of the bench. Hart said that Link went over to pick him up but Hart reached in his pocket for his straight-edge razor, which he carried for protection, and started to cut Link, who Hart said ended up running away screaming like a bitch. Hart believes that Mantell put Link up to the attack.

He talks about wrestlers today and how the promoters control guys as there is nowhere else to go to make money and you can either stay with the WWE or go home.

When asked if he is surprised that Flair is still on TV today, Hart said that is sad. He follows that up by saying there is a life after wrestling and you do not have to continue to be your character and talks about how some guys can only identify themselves as their character. He feels bad for people like that. He does credit Flair for not cheating the fans out in his matches but still hates to see him out there and thinks it is time to hang it up when you reach your late 40’s.

Hart says that the guys to write the “dirt sheets” try to represent themselves as legitimate reporters but said that not one of them has called him to ask about the Von Erich’s or even himself. He mentions how someone was sandbagging Muta, stating he needed a job, and kept on writing that. He calls them “gossip columnists” and not legitimate news people.

When asked about playing ribs, Hart said he did not like them and said they are disruptive and embarrassing.

He says that independent workers today do not know how to work a match from beginning to end as they do not know how to make the crowd part of the match. He says that you cant go on the top rope and say look at me and expect the crowd to care. Hart said the art of involving the crowd into the match is lost and that is why wrestling is suffering.

Hart says that he does not blame Chris Benoit’s death on steroids but the media jumped on it, like they do with other things, and calls them the “biggest bunch of whores” ever invented. He says they can care less about what kind of slander they bring. He said blaming Vince for Benoit is like blaming him for the death’s of the Von Erich’s, Gino Hernandez, and Chris Adams.

He says that he has no regrets at all about his career and talks about how he grew up on the streets of Chicago with little education and got involved in wrestling and got to travel the world and make a lot of money.

Hart closes by thanking the fans, stating that if not for them, they would not be able to do what they did. Hart then said he enjoyed the interview.

Final Thoughts: I liked this interview a lot. Sure, Hart came across a bit arrogant but so have a lot of others that had far less talent or have accomplished a lot less. Throughout the interview, he provided a ton of insight abut what he did and displayed a lot of knowledge about the business, making excellent points throughout. Hart also gave off a relaxed vibe her and not once seemed bitter and as he mentioned, he left the business because he wanted to stay home with his family, not because he could not find a way out. He did a lot of wonderful things in his career, especially in World Class.

The part that really stood out for me was when he recalled what happened in the plane crash. It was amazing what he was able to do and it was chilling to hear the events that occurred. To save lives in a situation like that is amazing and I give him all of the credit in the world to be able to stay calm and think the way he did.

Hart was not afraid to hold back and that was refreshing too. He admits that he was not into getting fucked up or pulling pranks so do not expect to hear a lot of that here. Hart came across as a no-nonsense type of guy in a big way. He also showed a lot of affection towards the Von Erich boys and really seemed to genuinely care for them. I do recommend this interview, especially if you are a fan of World Class, but be warned, the beginning is about territories in Chicago and Detroit from the early 1960’s that most people are not that familiar with.

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RF Video Shoot Interview with Nick Dinsmore

15th May 2014 by Scott Keith
This was filmed in 2010
It runs for two hours and thirty-four minutes.

The interview begins with Dinsmore asked if he was a fan of wrestling growing up. He said that he was a fan when he saw wrestling for the first time when he watched the Roddy Piper vs. Paul Orndorff match from “Saturday Night’s Main Event” and was hooked ever since.

In high school, he went to the same school as Danny Davis’ (the “Nightmare” not the evil referee) daughter, who would come to all of the pep rallies and events. Dinsmore wrestled and played football in high school. Yoshi Kwan was at the school one day and posted fliers that said you could pay $20 and wrestle a match. So, Dinsmore and his friend did it and they had no idea what to do and the crowd did not react but joked that he got double-crossed in his first ever match as the brother of his friend grabbed his leg when they were outside and he got counted out.
Dinsmore then went to Danny Davis’ (again, the “Nightmare” not referee) wrestling school in 1996 and in his first match, he wrestled against Jason Lee (He wrestled in OVW in the late nineties and early 2000’s). He said that in his first match, his family came up and Lee took care of him.
During training, Dinsmore said that Trailer Park Trash would chop the shit out of your chest to the point that it would bleed. He remembered the date, April 1, 1997, when Danny Davis called him up and said that someone no-showed the USWA taping and they needed him to fill in. At first, the played it up as an April Fools Joke on Dinsmore but he ended up wrestling Tank from the Truth Commission. After that, he started doing TV jobs until the territory closed.
He also wrestled for Music City Wrestling at this time, which was run by Bert Prentice.  While Dinsmore was working for Music City Wrestling, he was attending the University of Indiana and working a full-time job making cabinets.
Dinsmore worked on the Brian Pillman Memorial Show against Trailer Park Trash. This is where he met Terry Taylor, who was working for WCW at the time. About  a month later, Taylor ended up calling Davis so he could ask him to let Dinsmore wrestle a few matches. Dinsmore said that he drove up with Bull Pain and did a match on WCW Saturday Night and a few others on Thunder and Nitro. He was really nervous and talks about how he was a fan of Malenko and when he approached him, Malenko briefly shook his hand then walked away. Dinsmore did say that he got to know Dean in the WWE and said that he is just like that sometimes and a great guy. Dinsmore said that he didn’t even realize that he was still booked to be on the shows until he ran into Shane Helms and Lash Leroux, who told him that he was still being booked. Dinsmore pondered what could have happened if he did stay with WCW until the end, especially because of the youth movement that was going on at the time.
He is asked about who he worked with while in WCW. Dinsmore said that he wrestled Ernest Miller once and said that Goldberg came up to them after the match and told Miller that his kicks looked good before telling Dinsmore that his German suplex looked good too. Dinsmore met Chris Jericho there and he said that Jericho talked to him a lot. He also wrestled Scott Steiner with Lenny Lane in a handicapped match. Dinsmore said that Steiner took care of him but during the finish, which saw Steiner put both guys in the Steiner Recliner, Steiner inadvertently made Lane pass out.
Dinsmore then goes back and tells us about the first time he worked for Jerry Lawler in the USWA. He was just 20 years old and was with Trailer Park Trash, who was drinking and driving. They arrived at the motel in Memphis, which was called the Admiral Benbow, that cost $25 a night. Dinsmore said the place was a shithole and that there were crack whores, pimps, and drug dealers all over the place. Dinsmore said that he went to bed but only stayed in his clothes and woke up to find out that Trash had left him to go gamble on the riverboat. Dinsmore said that there was a dirty pair of panties hanging on the lamp, which was plugged into the bathroom socket. The next morning, they went to TV and Dinsmore got his first check, which was for $25.
He was signed to a WWF Developmental Deal in November of 1999. This was just a few months after OVW was named a Developmental Territory. They would train a few days a week at the beginning. Dinsmore said that he was afraid of Rip Rogers at first because he was mean but would watch him wrestle as he was doing security, which is what the guys did at first when they got to OVW. Once he got to wrestle Rip, he learned a lot and Dinsmore said that Rip became his mentor.
Now, he is asked about Jim Cornette. At first, Dinsmore said that Davis would always tell the class that Cornette was a hard ass and that they better not screw around when he was talking. Dinsmore said that Jason Lee did this thing when he would pull down his shorts and fart into people’s faces when they were all sitting down and had to turn around to see the monitors. The first day Cornette comes down, everyone is nervous, so Lee decided to pull down his pants when he was near the monitor and fart but when he did that, he ended up shitting all over Jerome Croney’s face and got some on the arm of Vito Andretti, who was one-half of a team called the Andretti Brothers. Anyway, Dinsmore said that Cornette is a cool, fun-loving guy, even though he is still stuck in 1984 and wears Zubas. He tells another story about Cornette. He was part of a core group that included Rob Conway, Doug Basham, Damaja (Danny Basham), Jason Lee, and Derrick King that clogged the main event scene. When Randy Orton and John Cena worked the main event, they all huddled around to see if they could make their time cues and they ended up going four minutes long. Cornette got pissed off and Orton knew he fucked up and took off but Cena had no idea and started to go about his business in the locker room until Cornette took a bat and hit the lockers a few times, yelling about how he needs to go back and edit the match for TV then eventually calmed down and told Cena what he needed to do in order to get it right the next time he went out. Dinsmore said to Cena’s credit it was the only time he ever went long on a TV show.
Dinsmore is asked about Batista and how he was critical of OVW. He said that Batista was used differently than everyone else, who were mostly local guys. Dinsmore said he takes offense when Batista said he never learned anything in OVW. He said that he probably learned more in the WWE working with agents like Fit Finlay and Arn Anderson.
He is now asked if everyone who was called up from OVW prepared for the WWE. Dinsmore said that he wrestled in OVW until 2004 and was over prepared. He then said that Rip Rogers would stand backstage with a kendo stick and beat people who screwed up, with Dinsmore saying he made that mistake once. He then said that he was ready for the WWE but screwed up his own chances.
Dinsmore talks about pairing up with Rob Conway. He said that they gelled together and he was the best partner he ever had. He also said that he wished they got to team together in the WWE. He then talks about Kenny Bolin and how he would always schmooze his way into getting free stuff. He tells a story of how he accidentally hit him in the face during a match in a spot when he was supposed to knock him off of the apron.
He talks about how he was struggling at one point and even homeless for a few weeks, as he broke up with his girlfriend and barely making anything in OVW. He said during his time of homelessness, he lived off of the old Hostess products that Kenny Bolin brought in to the building from his girlfriend who worked at the Hostess factory. Dinsmore said that he moved in with a friend and because he could barely afford the rent, he resorted to “sweet talking” the girls at the shows and would convince them to buy his dinner, groceries, and even clean the apartment.
Now, Dinsmore is asked if he ever felt offended that guys who spent only a few months in OVW would end up getting called up due to their physique. He said that he did not because he was wrestling and able to live at home so he was fine. At one point, when the Bashams and Conway got called up, Dinsmore said that there were a new crop of guys that came him and saw him as a trainer as opposed to one of them, because he helped out Rip Rogers as a trainer. Dinsmore did say that he felt like the guys who complained the most got catered to instead of those who did what they were told. At that point, Dinsmore told Doug Basham that he was contemplating quitting and going to Japan or somewhere else. Well, Doug told Dean Malenko, who went to Vince and Dinsmore ended up meeting with him. Dinsmore said that Vince was very nice and asked him about his family then told him that he wanted to get to character-based wrestling. Vince was throwing out ideas and Dinsmore thought of his friend’s son who had Autism and thought that if they had a character who could copy what he saw on TV despite appearing clueless and limited, that it could catch on with the crowd and he could pull it off. Dinsmore said he never wanted the character to have Autism though. After he pitched the idea, Steve Austin walked in and asked Dinsmore who trained him and when he said Danny Davis, Austin said that he is probably one of the best and after that, Vince decided to go with the character.
Dinsmore tells a story of how he was teaming with Conway against Jason Lee & Derrick King while Johnny Ace was at the show. Dinsmore and Conway took most of the match and when they got the signal to wrap it up earlier than expected, Lee became emotionless and missed his moonsault and did not sell it one bit and tagged out. After that, he quit the company.
He is asked about his match against Chris Benoit at the OVW Christmas Chaos show. Dinsmore said that match made him in OVW. He said that the month before, WCW ran the arena but they did not sell out the building and they did. Dinsmore then said it was due to Steve Austin, Benoit, Kane, and other guys there. He said he was nervous the entire time but Benoit trusted him in the match. Dinsmore was also a substitute teacher at a high school at the time and would tell his students when he was wrestling and 40-50 of them would show up and scream and yell, which came off well on television.
Dinsmore talks about his favorite angle in OVW when Doug Basham came back under a mask as the machine after being away for a few years. He also said that Basham had previously worked in the WWF as one of the Undertaker’s “Creatures of the Night” but he decided to quit as he was getting married and had a real job but when he got divorced, he decided to get back into wrestling and being the nephew of Danny Davis he went to OVW.
He talks about teaching a beginners class at OVW on Saturday mornings. Dinsmore said that is where Mark Magnus (Mohammed Hassan), Johnny Jeter, and Chris Cage (Caylen Croft) all got their start.
They ask him if any of the veterans took liberties with him in the ring when he did was doing jobs on Heat and Velocity. Dinsmore said that he was so green at the time that he probably would not have known. He tells a story of how in USWA, Mantaur slammed him on the floor and dropped an elbow as he was on his side and that it still hurts him from this day.
He talks about how he wrestled as Doink on a PPV that featured the Easter Bunny, played by Aaron Stevens (Damien Sandow). After that, he was told that they wanted him to wrestle a fifteen minute match with Benoit on Smackdown but that they kept on shortening the match length and it ended up being brief. He did a dark match with Kenzo Suzuki, who he said was nice but barely spoke any English and would actually end up hurting himself and his opponent in the ring.
When asked if he had a lot of input with the character, Dinsmore said that they did and would just give him things to say but he had a lot of control. He then credits William Regal for getting him over, saying the whole reason he got over was the backstage interactions with Regal and if he did not have someone else to play off of, then character was dead in the water.
Before he appeared on TV as “Eugene,” Vince had him try out the character at a house show. Since all of his ring gear had his name on the back of his trunk or said “Mr. Wrestling,” which was his nickname in OVW, so Conway let him borrow his trunks and his friend Vito Andretti picked him up an 80’s ring jacket at a flea market for $7 and that was what he wore. He wrestled Lance Cade, who Dinsmore liked a lot. Dinsmore then told a story about Cade in OVW and how the fans called him “Big Bird” and would bring the stuffed animals to the shows. Dinsmore decided to whack Cade with it during a match but had no idea that the eyes were marbles and Cade told him after the match that it was the hardest he has ever been hit. At the end of the house show match, the crowd was chanting “Eugene” and he received a standing ovation backstage.
Dinsmore talks about traveling with Tajiri and how he hides the fact that he can speak English. He talks about how they would be driving together and Tajiri insisted that they go to McDonald’s because he could not pronounce “Whopper” at Burger King. They are in McDonald’s and Tajiri accidentally let it slip that he could say “Whopper” then quickly covered up and said is English is shit. Dinsmore then said how Tajiri reportedly addressed the locker room in perfect English that he was quitting, after years of saying that he could not speak English well.
He talks about the sketches he did with Jonathan Coachman. He said that he loves the Coach and says his favorite moment on TV was when they did a sketch with the Rock, calling it a career highlight.
When asked, he had no idea who came up with the story of having him being Eric Bischoff’s nephew. He did state that it worked out for him and made for a great story. He said that he got to know Bischoff better through this story and that he was nothing but professional with him. He then adds that Bischoff has a lot to give to wrestling.
Dinsmore is asked about John Cena. He said that when Cena first came to OVW, he was staying with him. Dinsmore said that he had an inflatable mattress for Cena to sleep on but had no idea there was a hole inside of it and in the morning, it was deflated. Dinsmore said that Cena is a great guy.
When asked, he said that Vince is approachable, even if he is intimidating. Dinsmore then said that Vince was hands on with everyone and even gave advice to a guy who came in for a dark match by telling him that he had huge legs and should make his trunks a little bit shorter to show them off.
Now they talk about his angle with HHH. Dinsmore said as the character progressed, it just made sense that he feud with him. The interviewer asks him about HHH, stating that he is a polarizing figure among those who have worked with him through shoot interviews. Dinsmore said that sometimes people assume things about him from what they see on TV then tells a story of how there was an elderly woman on a local news show who did not have cable but watched wrestling through DVD copies of the show and her favorite wrestler was HHH. Well, HHH surprised her on the show and the fan ended up going to RAW that night, where HHH went out of his way to have all of the other wrestlers meet her and he gave her merchandise. Dinsmore said that he is the best that the WWE has and how he never got rattled in the ring.

Dinsmore is asked about how he felt being in backstage segments with Vince McMahon. He said it was intimidating to work with him but they worked together and he would laugh and joke, making it fun to work with.

With regards to his match against Eric Bischoff at Taboo Tuesday. Dinsmore said that there were a few guys backstage who used to work for Bischoff in WCW that urged him to take liberties with him in the ring. Dinsmore said he couldnt bring himself to do that as Bischoff helped him with the Eugene character. He said that he struggled to cut his hair and Vince was yelling at him.

He is asked about his “Beat the Clock” match against Kurt Angle. He came back after tearing his patella tendon at the New Years Resolution PPV and came back early, which in hindsight was a bad idea. He said that he could barely run and was not even able to turn or pivot so Kurt just kicked the shit out of him the whole time. Dinsmore said that was the hardest he got beat up in any sport, claiming that it wasn’t out of malice but rather due to Kurt’s rough style.

Dinsmore said that he worked with Christy Hemme, who he liked, but said the dynamic wasnt there and they really did not gel together.

When he was asked how he heard about Eddie Guerrero’s death, he said he was traveling from Minneapolis and when his girlfriend dropped him off at the arena, Val Venis informed him that he passed away. He said that all day, people were speculating about how he died and the song “Hurt” by Johnny Cash was playing and he thinks about Eddie every time he hears the song. Dinsmore said that he did not know Eddie that well, as they were on different brands, but that whenever he saw Eddie, he was always full of life. Dinsmore said that he cried a few years later after he read Eddie’s book.

Now, Dinsmore is asked about being hospitalized a few days after Eddie’s death and if he felt betrayed that WWE put that on the website. Dinsmore said he was not and takes full responsibility about what happened. He said he was taking painkillers due to the surgery from the torn patella and could not sleep tonight and had always seen Soma’s in wrestling and when he took them, they helped him sleep. Once he started mixing that with his pain meds, he said it was a “wild ride.” He then said that he came back to early and was struggling so he continued to take the pills and it became a pattern. The day he passed out  he was in Manchester. After drinking six beers and taking some Valium and Soma’s he was in his hotel room and got room service but when he went to get the food, he accidentally locked himself out. Dinsmore said that the last thing he remembered was that he went to go down to the lobby and get another key. He was told that HHH and John Cena found him but couldnt wake him up and all of the fans were there as Dinsmore was on the floor of the lobby and they apparently ended up wheeling him out on a luggage cart and from that, Dinsmore woke up in a hospital. After that, he was sent back home and to a “mental institution.”

Dinsmore was asked if he ever had any addiction problems prior to wrestling. He said he drank a bit in high school but did not abuse pain meds until he had been wrestling for several years. He did say when he underwent knee surgery, after he awoke he asked the nurse for pain meds and she told him he needed to be seen by the doctor but he had to wait a while and became agitated, swearing and throwing stuff around the room. He said that using the meds as a crutch to get through pain in order to get back in the ring sooner was a vicious cycle.

Dinsmore went to rehab for nine weeks in Atlanta. He said he learned the skills to get through his issues but said he was “sentenced” for nine weeks but the place he was at lasted for twelve weeks. Dinsmore said that there was a lot of people with “serious issues” at the facility and felt that his problems were much less severe. Dinsmore seemed to downplay his issues and confused me as he kept referring to being in a psychiatric unit but he seemed to describe a rehab facility. He did say that Chavo Guerrero helped him out during this time, offering him support.

Now, he is asked about Randy Orton. Dinsmore said that when Orton first arrived to OVW, he approached him and they were close. He also remembers when Orton worked his first house show and was nervous so Dinsmore decided to fuck with him and step on his back foot when he went to make his entrance and he almost fell down. Dinsmore said that Randy can be really “mean” to himself and that he has his own personal issues but has so much natural ability and he saw that in his first few matches. He said that Orton changed at one point and stopped being mean and says that he hope Randy stays on track and calls him a franchise player.

When asked if there were any plans to turn him heel, citing some of the newsletter reports that said it was being discussed. He said that if he broke away from the “Eugene” character, he would be himself and that didnt draw for eight years. Dinsmore said that people did not want to see Eugene as a heel and when they tried to go in that direction, the fans did not react well and it was scrapped. He said that he thought Eugene could be used to elevate lower and midcard heels.

He was asked how he got involved in the Donald Trump/Vince McMahon WrestleMania feud. He said that whenever he wanted wrestling and had an upcoming hair match, they would shave someone’s head who was a sympathetic character to sell the stipulation and when the office told him, he agreed as Dinsmore said he was a team player. He did enjoy being part of that and said that he spoke with Trump a few times and he was nice to him.

Now, Dinsmore is asked where he was when he heard about the Chris Benoit tragedy. He said that he was at RAW with Chavo Guerrero and Scott Armstrong when Vince sat everyone down and told them. Dinsmore said he took the news rough and looked up to Chris, who he said always asked him how his dad was doing. Dinsmore said that he met Daniel and took a picture with him as Eugene and Chris sent him a copy of it to him. When asked about the media coverage being fair, he sat that if he did not know Benoit, he would agree with the portrayal they had but finds it tough to see him that way.

With regards to the Wellness System, Dinsmore said that it is not just about being tested for drugs but they also perform medical check ups and says that due to that, they were able to find something wrong with MVP and perform the necessary procedure to correct the problem. He then talks about how people think that the wrestlers today are like the ones from the 80’s in terms of the excess partying but that is not true and they pay the price for that now.

They discuss his move to Smackdown. He said that his role was to work with guys they were trying to build up and get them over. Dinsmore said that role did not bother him at all.

Dinsmore is asked about returning to OVW. He said that today, Al Snow is the head trainer and Danny Davis is more into the TV production but is not at TV enough to see everyone and teaches the beginners class on the weekends. He does not believe that the camaraderie is there today as it was when he was there. He says there are a lot of young guys trying to take on the role of the leader but they are not experienced enough to help out the other guys who have just started out.

He said that the day he was released, he wrestled Mark Henry and was told the day before that he was being let go. Dinsmore said he was getting medication through a pain clinic and ran out then claimed that someone else gave him some medications that he thought was what he was prescribed but it wasnt and when it came up on the test, they decided to fire him based on his past history. He said he was disappointed in himself for making that mistake then said it was because he took three pills, two on Saturday and one on Sunday then tested positive the next day at RAW.

When asked if he felt the door was open for a return to the WWE, Dinsmore said he did not burn any bridges but did not exactly leave on the best terms. He said if the door was open, he could see it as a possibility. He has not been contacted by TNA but would not mind working for them. He also said he would not mind working for Ring of Honor or in Japan.

He is asked if there is anyone in OVW we should look out for, he said that Mike Kruel is someone he worked with that has potential. He also said that his valet Roucka (Rosa Mendes) has potential too.

Dinsmore is asked about the best rib he saw. He said that in OVW, he told David Flair that Cena’s sister was a great piano player and to ask him about her. In reality, Cena does not even have a sister. When Flair saw Cena and asked him about his sister, Cena got up and threw a barrel across the room and flipped out on Flair, saying that his sister does not have any arms. Flair did not know what to do after that. Dinsmore said that he felt bad about doing that.

The interview ends with Dinsmore plugging his MySpace page and his column on WrestleZone.

Final Thoughts: I thought this was a good interview. Dinsmore seems like a nice enough guy. The interview jumped around a lot when they were discussing his time in OVW and I tried my best to timeline that for the recap. Just seeing how much the guys under the early developmental deals struggled was eye opening. I knew it was rough but not that bad.

The one thing that caught my eye with Dinsmore is how much he downplayed his addiction problems. He was clearly an addict yet managed to rationalize his behaviors here. This was filmed very shortly after he was fired by the WWE and it was evident from this interview that he was still battling issues. The story about how he got fired by taking pills is the behavior of someone who is still abusing and not ready to admit that they have a problem. I truly wish Dinsmore the best of luck with his addiction and hope that he is in a better place today.

Dinsmore did not seem to want to bury anyone and was careful about what he was saying in case he did go back to the WWE. Even still, the interview was informative and worth a listen. A great interview for those who wanted to know about the early days of OVW. I do recommend this interview and felt that Dinsmore was an engaging storyteller.

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RF Video Shoot Interview with Don Muraco

9th May 2014 by Scott Keith

This interview was filmed in 2000

It runs for two hours and twenty-six minutes long

It was conducted by Rob Feinstein


Muraco starts by saying he became a fan of wrestling as a kid from watching guys in Chicago like Verne Gagne. He said there was a local promotion on Hawaii that did a lot of the crazy stuff that they are doing now, just minus the production values.

He said that he was an amateur wrestler as well as a football player and surfer in high school. After college, he worked construction then got started in wrestling after being sent to Vancouver by the local Hawaii promotion and trained under Gene Kiniski.

The top guys who helped him out where Mark Lewin, Dean Ho, Bullldog Bob Brown, among others.

Muraco also worked for Don Owen in Portland when he had some time off in Vancouver. This was in 1970 and he was just twenty years old. He started off in wrestling as a babyface.

He went back to Hawaii for the holidays and asked if he could get booked and had some credentials and a bit of name value from being a Hawaii State Wrestling Champion and got some work. He beat Curtis Iaueka via countout one night and the fans were shocked by that. Muraco said that business in Hawaii started to decline sharply around this time.

When Verne Gagne visited Hawaii for vacation in 1971, the promoter put Muraco in a match with Mr. Fuji and they went all out. He said that Verne was interested in him, as was Jim Barnett who toured Australia at the time, but the promoter steered Muraco towards Verne, something Muraco laughs about while telling.

Muraco said that Verne was pretty ruthless as a promoter, wanting complete control of the wrestlers and matches, but said that he did great business.

He is asked about the guys he worked with in the AWA. Muraco said that Snuka was so charismatic and when asked why his push ended, he said that Snuka hated living in Minneapolis as the weather was miserable. Muraco said he also left the AWA for the same reasons.

After that, he did a tour of Japan. Muraco said that he first met Dusty Rhodes on that tour. From there, he went to San Francisco and worked for Roy Shire but he never did much there. Muraco said that Watts called him up to see if he wanted to work for him in Florida.

When he first went to Florida, he was still a babyface. He puts over the talent that was there like Dusty, Dick Slater, The Brisco’s, Bob Armstrong, Joe LeDuc, Mongolian Stomper, and Gary Hart.

Muraco said the travel in Florida was unreal. Monday was West Palm, Tuesday in Tampa, then Wednesday was Miami for TV then up to Jacksonville the next day.

He went to Georgia and tagged with Andre the Giant. He said that they were friends at the beginning. He said that he got a lot of sympathy from the fans and would make the hot-tag to Andre, which the fans loved.

After that, he went to Texas to work for Fritz. He just got divorced at the time. He was living with Scott Casey there. Muraco said that Fritz was easy to work for and that his kids were not wrestling at the time.

Muraco talks about helping Billy Robinson train guys and the class consisted of Ric Flair, Iron Sheik, Ken Patera, Greg Gagne, Jim Brunzell, and another guy named Jimmy. Muraco confirms Dusty’s story about Ric Flair wanting to be just like him and Dick Murdoch. Muraco said that Flair would  run to the airport to pick them up when they came into Minneapolis.

He is then asked if Tommy Rich was overpushed when he was in Georgia. Muraco said its all a judgment call and that kids and women loved him and he was a hard worker. He said that his short-belt reign was all political and at one time, Muraco said he was considered for the belt in Georgia but ended up getting drunk one night at Dusty’s “Rock n’ Roll Revival” and knocked over some speakers.

Rob asks him how he developed his interview skills. Muraco said he grew up listening to Curtis Iaueka and Ripper Collins from Hawaii and how those shows were so insane and he learned from all sorts of guys would help you out, unlike today.

He was asked about his angle with Gordon Solie and Roddy Piper, where Muraco went after Solie and Piper made the save, turning himself face in the process. When asked about Piper, Muraco said that he knew him from when he was in Texas and that they have been friends since. Muraco said he was very driven and would study tapes all of the time.

Muraco went back to Florida and Watts was no longer there. He said that Eddie Graham would bring in older guys to book until they ran out of steam then come in and save the day. He credits Eddie Graham and Buddy Rogers for helping him out with the “Magnificent” gimmick.

He is asked about Vince McMahon Sr. Muraco said that the territory was booked meticulously. He said he was never an asshole or had to show his power. Muraco said that you would do a month of TV squashes then a couple months of house shows being built up and then as the top heel, you face the champ for a few months at Madison Square Garden and before you know it, you are leaving with $150,000.

Muraco talks about how Lou Albano would get fired after every TV taping for being drunk then come in hungover the next day and get his job back. He said that Albano would have about 16 cups around and some would be filled to various degrees with vodka and water and would randomly sip them.

He didnt mind having the Grand Wizard as a manager. Muraco said that he would do anything for you and is even the godfather of his daughter.

His first match at Madison Square Garden was against Rick Martel. He then worked a few matches with Pedro Morales. Muraco said that their matches were solid and he had a lot of fire and would sell well back then. He also worked with Bob Backlund, who Muraco says is a terrific guy.

Muraco said the locker room was really fun at the time. When asked about Mr. Fuji and the ribs that he pulled, Muraco said everytime Fuji tried to rib him it would backfire. He said they were close for a long time and would travel with him a lot. He also traveled with Rick Martel and Angelo Mosca.

When asked about Vince Jr., Muraco talks about how he was trying to take over television markets across the country and started to consult with market strategists then on to Home Video and other merchandise avenues. He also said that he almost went broke during this time.

He was asked about how he came up with the idea of eating food in the ring. Muraco said he started that in Florida when Gerry Brisco would steal his food that he hid so he would bring it out to the ring with him. He also said that he would do bits from older wrestlers for his interviews to entertain the guys. He would also put lyrics from the hit songs in his promos too. If he was around today, Muraco said he would be using material from guys like George Bush, Al Gore, and Bill Clinton.

Muraco talks about Rocky Johnson. He said that Rocky hated to take bumps so as a rib, anytime Rocky messed up a highspot, Muraco would perform a move that required him to bump. He then talks about his son, The Rock, and how he used to watch his daughter when he was 12 and was basically practicing wrestling promos even back then. Muraco then mentions how Rock’s mother sent him a tape of him doing some of those promos as a kid.

When asked about working with managers, Muraco said you would only see them for TV and the Madison Square Garden shows.

He is asked about his feud with Snuka, which started after Muraco spit at him. Muraco said that he could only imagine the money that feud would have made today. He said that Snuka had a lot of problems with the office at the time and they wanted a way to keep him the champion after a cage match and have Snuka look strong. Muraco said that he told Snuka to hit him off the top of the cage after the match and act like you do not care about the belt after the match and to spit on him and throw the belt at him too.

Muraco is asked about Snuka being crazy. He said that he did not act visibly crazy to them. He talks about the night of Nancy Argentino’s death. He was at a bar that night and received a call from Eddie Gilbert after he crashed his car and how he was in the hospital. Muraco was there and said that Nancy was there too and in rough shape. He got back to his hotel about 7am and looked up and saw two homicide detectives in suits talking with Snuka. Muraco said he was a liasion to the office at the time. When asked, Muraco said that he had no idea what happened other than she stopped to go to the bathroom at the side of the road and slipped on some gravel then hit her head. Muraco said that he had to drive with Snuka to TV that day.

He talks about Piper for a bit. Muraco says that Piper didn’t like to wrestle on TV because he was smaller than the rest of the guys and preferred to do interviews and then his “Piper’s Pit” segment. Muraco said that he, along with Bob Orton, hung out with Piper a lot.

When asked about WrestleMania I, Muraco said he was at home during the show but still with the company.

Muraco was asked why he never had a program with Hogan and he didnt know and suggested that maybe Hogan did not want to work with him. Muraco said he was never one of Hogan’s guys and when George Scott was brought in to book, he wanted him to put over his guys, like Ricky Steamboat.

About Mr. T and if guys resented working with him, Muraco said they shouldnt have as they were gaining popularity and doing good business. He said how Mr. T was never comfortable in the ring and was stiff in the ring but got a $2,000 bonus in his check one night at the Boston Garden just for taking a bump for him.

On how he got paired up with Mr. Fuji, Muraco said that they traveled a lot and Fuji settled into a managerial role and it was natural.

Muraco is asked about their skits from “Tuesday Night Titans.” Muraco said that the worst the acting, the more the company liked it and they did not want you to rehearse anything because they wanted to see you screw up.

When asked about Ricky Steamboat, Muraco said he was a hard worker but very meticulous. He calls him a dream to work with. He said the same thing about Tito Santana and recalls a story of how he dropped the IC Title to Tito in the Boston Garden. The place was crazy and they had to start off the match very slowly and after 10-15 minutes, the crowd started to pay attention, but the camera man ran out of film and as a result, they never got the footage of him winning the title.

He said that never hung around David Schultz much then incorrectly states that he was in Georgia with Piper when Schultz slapped Stossel. Muraco said that Vince got fined $100,000. He also said that Schultz loved to make the office go crazy.

Muraco got paired up with Bob Orton and “Adorable” Adrian Adonis. He said that Vince gave him a few pairs of kilts to wear when he did Piper’s Pit when he was gone from the company. Muraco did not remember how that pairing developed.

When asked about his WrestleMania 2 match against Paul Orndorff. Muraco said that his match was too short to do anything. He did like Orndorff outside of the ring. He said that WrestleMania III was insane due to how large the venue was.

Muraco said that Vince became for maniacal as he got famous, comparing him to John Gotti for hanging around with his crew. When asked if became greedier, Muraco said he doesnt know if it was that but his ego got bigger. He says that Vince always wanted to be as big as possible.

He said that the Junkyard Dog would act paranoid at times and you had to work his style in the ring. He said that if he didnt feel like moving, you could not move him.

Muraco said that he ended up teaming with Orton when a few years prior, he filled in for Piper after he no-showed to go up against Hogan and Snuka. A year and a half later, they decided to team them up as an act.

On turning babyface, Muraco said that he never wanted to be a face and did not like the “Rock” nickname and says that Pat Patterson gave that to him as a rib. He said that at that point, a lot of the guys started to get stale as they always worked with the same guys every night instead of learning from doing different interviews and by working with other wrestlers.

He said that the was no pressure to do steroids but at the same time, you knew that if you were 230-240lbs you knew that a program for the belt with Hogan was unlikely and you had to bulk up.

He ended up leaving the WWE after he got into an argument with Nick Bockwinkle during a tour over in Europe. Muraco said that Bockwinkle did a bunch of “chickenshit” things to people when he came in and heard a few rumors that he was brought in specifically to get him and others to leave. Muraco said that Vince gave him some time off but also added that his body was not responding well to pain either.

Muraco said that after he went home, he did a couple of independent shows but never considered working for NWA/WCW. He did a few shows for Herb Abrams and said that he was absolutely crazy. Muraco said that Abrams had 50 American Express cards that were all maxed out in order to pay for the shows.

He came into Eastern Championship Wrestling when Eddie Gilbert was the booker. Muraco said that it was just starting out and just like a regular independent promotion. He never thought it would be as big as it became.

Muraco said he works as a longshoreman today and surfs in his free time.

He believes that the workers today are destroying their bodies because they are afraid of losing their spots and trying to out-do each other and doesnt think they can hold up longer than ten years at that pace. Muraco said that he wrestled for over twenty years himself. He still watches a little bit of wrestling today.

If he was wrestling today, he would work a program with any top guy due to the money they would make and jokes he will cut himself however deep they want him to.

Muraco said that he is not surprised that the business is as open as it is today. He says that he has no regrets about his career, joking that he should have made more money.

They do some name association stuff. Here is a rundown:

Vince McMahon: Extremely driven. He said he could never be like him and work 24 hours a day because he likes to take breaks and go surfing.

Hulk Hogan: Never the greatest worker or talker but the greatest of his era and whenever you saw that you were working with him, it meant more money.

Jimmy Snuka: Says he owes a lot of his career to him and they will always be linked together.

Stan Hansen: Nice guy but stiff in the ring.

Ivan Putski: Said he was able to have matches with him and that a lot of guys disliked working with Putski but never had a problem with him.

Greg Valentine: Hard worker who tried to follow in his dad’s footsteps.

Jake Roberts: Good performer and worker in the ring.

Andre the Giant: Said that as he got older, he became meaner and that being the Giant wore him down. He recalls Andre walking through the aisle in Japan and destroying a bunch of cameras by swatting them around.

Randy Savage: Never worked with him much and said when he first came to the WWF, he would never go out and only stayed with Elizabeth but after a few years, Savage would open up and go out. When asked about Savage being paranoid about her, Muraco said that he involved himself with other people’s personal lives.

Corporal Kirchner: Muraco jokingly called him “Corporal Punishment” because he was so stiff in the ring.

In closing, Muraco tells his fans that he has had a great life and has met so many interesting and diverse people and fortunate enough to travel all over the world. He then says that professional wrestling lets you become personal with the fans.

Final Thoughts: After watching this interview, I thought that Don Muraco came across as a very nice man who was not at all bitter about his career. He was laid back the whole time and smiled frequently when re-telling stories. With that being said, this interview was really bland. I would not call this awful but it was not too exciting either.

Part of the problem was that the questions asked were not interesting at all. Only basic questions that did not give Muraco the chance to elaborate much upon. This happened frequently during the early RF Video shoots. Another thing that happens with the older shoots is that they have told stories that we have repeatedly and while they were interesting at the time this was filmed, it does not hold up today. Unless you were a dominant personality that could take over the interview or just willing to discuss anything, you came across as dull. I don’t think Muraco is necessarily a dull person but he kinda came across that way here.

I can’t really recommend this interview unless you are a fan of Muraco. Also, he started in the early 70’s in really small territories so he brings up some names that most fans have never heard of before and that can get you to lose interest quickly. The first 45 minutes of the interview are tough unless you are a diehard Muraco fan or really interested in the Hawaii and Vancouver wrestling scene.

Muraco said at his age is why he never came back after ECW.

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RF Video Shoot Interview with Scotty Riggs, Disc Two

25th April 2014 by Scott Keith
This runs at two hours and thirty-three minutes long
If you missed part one of the shoot, the link is below.

http://www.rspwfaq.net/2014/04/rf-video-shoot-interview-with-scotty.html


 

He is asked about Scott Hall & Kevin Nash. Riggs said that never really hung out with them but said that Nash was funny where as Hall would talk down to him. Riggs said that Nash unfollowed him on Twitter then several months later, Nash followed him on Twitter again when Riggs sent a message asking him why he unfollowed him, Nash replied back that sometimes his finger slips on the keyboard. Riggs said that they came in from the WWF with creative control and all sorts of perks and acted as if everyone else was just riding of the success of the nWo. When asked, he was not at Bash at the Beach 1996 when Hogan turned.
Riggs said that Flair was cool with him and said that during a World Wide taping, Flair let him work out the spot that led him lose to the figure four. Riggs laid out the match. He said that Flair made him feel like one of the boys from the moment he entered the company.
Now, he gets asked about Bagwell joining the nWo, thus ending their team. Riggs, when asked, said that no one was jockeying for position to join the nWo at first because people did not know where they were going with the angle and that people did not want to be flunkies to the core of the group. He then said that they all had guaranteed deals anyway and knew that the nWo needed WCW guys to work with. Riggs added that Bagwell helped Nash a lot when he was “Oz,” paying for a lot of his stuff and wanted to return the favor to Bagwell by having him join the group. Riggs said that afterwards, when they split on air, he should have yelled at Bagwell for joining the nWo instead of begging him to stay. Riggs did say that during the segment, he fucked with Bischoff, who was kicking him, by stating that the kicks were really stiff and he started to believe him.
He then talks a bit about his match against Bagwell at Souled Out and how Dave Meltzer, shit all over him, stating that the match might have meant something if Bagwell had a better partner and how he gave it like two stars (he really gave it *1/4 and said that Riggs was a “zero” by himself) but said that you cant get everyone to like you. For what’s it worth, I thought the match was a total bore and agree with Meltzer’s rating. He then says that “who gives a fuck what Meltzer thinks” and adds that just because he writes for the business doesn’t mean he knows everything and unless you have done it, you don’t know shit. He is asked about the Newsletter and says that a good report about yourself from any “sheet” would give you a high and that everyone was reading them backstage. He even said that Bischoff read them and loved the publicity he was getting. He then questions why you would put so much stock into what someone says about a situation in which they were not present.
When asked about who were the agents and booking the show, Riggs said that Bischoff only cared about the nWo and his own segments and let the booking committee take care of everything else. He was there for a little bit when Russo came aboard and said it was awful. He said that Russo came in as the head writer and that he would override everyone else’s input. Riggs said he heard from guys who work with him in the WWF said that Russo would present 30 ideas to Vince McMahon, who shit all over them. He would then come back again with 30 more and Vince would pick out one of them that he liked. Riggs said that Russo kept on telling him that he wanted characters and more segments, as well as shorter matches. Riggs said that was when everything went down the shitter.
All of a sudden, Tommy Dreamer walks in and he and Riggs hug and talk for a minute. Even Tommy tells him that he looks like Billy Jack. Riggs says that he loves that guy for getting him job not only in WCW (by turning down a spot in the American Males) and a job in ECW.
Riggs then tells a story of how he and Lex Luger played golf with Pat Patterson and his partner, Louie. It was 1996 and they were in Tampa. When asked, he said that in didn’t matter that he was from the WWF because they were all wrestlers and would acknowledge each other when they crossed paths. Riggs said that he didn’t even know that Patterson was gay at the time but it didn’t matter because he was loved them both. Riggs said that Louie helped him with his golf swing once and told Riggs that he was the husband and Patterson was the wife. They ended up tied on the last hole and settled the game on the putting course. He didn’t remember who won but as he putts, Patterson pants him after the swing and Riggs was wearing his thong and was exposed to everyone on the course then Patterson put his face near his ass.
He is now asked if his eye injury was legit and Riggs said that it was. He said that Raven set up the chair but as he went into the chair, his eye hit the edge. He had to wear an opaque contact lens as a result but was not in danger of losing sight or anything serious.
Riggs talks about the Raven’s Flock. He said that while everyone else just appeared as part of the stable, he actually got beat up and kidnapped then joined the group.
When asked about JJ Dillon, Riggs said that he was handling the contracts and worked out a verbal deal with him at the end but found out that part of the money he was promised was pulled from him and used to sign Jeff Jarrett. He said at that time, WCW was firing people left and right. As this is going on, Riggs tells us that he received a text from RVD.

Riggs says that his favorite match was against Raven. He puts him over big by saying that he did whatever was good for the match. He says that during their match at the World War 3 PPV, they ended up being in the wrong ring for the finish of their match.
Now, the interviewer asks if he saw Raven do a lot of drugs at this time. Riggs responds back by saying that they were all doing a lot of drugs. He said that the coolest thing about the Flock was that they would sit ringside and pass around some money and asked a fan to get them beers. When they went to commercial break, the director, Jackie Crockett, let them know that they could drink and Riggs said they would take a few sips of beers and pop some percs then put it away when Crockett told them they were going back to air. He said that they did this and were having a blast week after week and that ended once Van Hammer lit up a cigarette and wouldn’t put it out when asked by security so after that, Doug Dillinger put an end to the angle of them sitting at ringside.
Riggs said that he met RVD in 1993 wrestling in the Carolina’s for a promoter named Greg Price. They used to tag together and even go against each other then would smoke a lot of pot together. He then tells a story of how at RVD’s house they were smoking under “Cali Rules,” which apparently means that you have to smoke the whole bowl to your head before you pass it to the next person. He said that he felt comatose afterwards. Riggs said that RVD wrestled as Robbie V in WCW because he did not want the company to own the RVD name.
He talks about the first time he went to the ECW Arena in 1995. Paul Heyman and Tommy Dreamer took him to lunch then he watched backstage. He said that it was the night that Kimona Wanalaya stripped. Riggs said that Taz had heat with him because he thought Riggs was looking for a job, despite the fact that he was in WCW. Riggs said that he loved the atmosphere of the arena then talks about how he would rather wrestle in a building like that every night.
When asked about filling in for Raven against Chris Benoit, Riggs said that he was a replacement because Raven had pancreatitis due to drinking and pill abuse. He said that he loved working with Benoit because everything he did looked real. Riggs talks about today’s wrestling and how while he understands that they need stuff like Santino’s cobra for the kids but liked to do things to make the fans believe that it was real. He also put Benoit over for making him raise his level of performance in the ring. During one match, Riggs said that Lodi was pissing everyone off at that time due to a lack of respect, so he suggested to Benoit that he chop him repeatedly. Riggs then told Lodi to jump on Benoit’s back when he came outside and when he did that, Benoit chops the shit out of him and Riggs said that Benoit initially shoved him off when he tried to intervene. Riggs said that Bagwell was afraid of working with Benoit because of his chops but Riggs saw it as a badge of honor to walk around with a bruised chest from the chops.
Riggs said that the only person he couldn’t keep up with in the ring was Jerry Lynn, who was also his roommate in WCW for over a year. Riggs said that they were perfect roommates because they both lived separate lives and as a result, always got along. He made it seem like they barely did anything together but were cordial.
He puts over Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero, Dean Malenko, and Perry Saturn for being excellent wrestlers.
Now he is asked about the guys from the Flock. He said that Sick Boy had a lot of potential and was a great athlete but there was no one around to teach him how to be a wrestler and if there was a territory system around then, he would have learned how to wrestle and would probably still be around today. He said that Lodi has charisma and is a ball of energy but not a great worker. Reis, Riggs said, didn’t have the athletic ability to make it as a wrestler. He said that Hammer didn’t have the mind of a wrestler but knew how to play a character. He recalls a time when Hammer nearly dropped Benoit on a suplex spot but had the strength to pull him back up. He said that Kidman became awesome when he joined the Flock because it got him out of the spandex tights and let him show his potential. He said as time went on, Saturn became friends with him.
And finally, he is asked about the stories when he went out with the Flock. He mentions the “rhino,” which was a dildo strapped to wrestling headgear that they used to fuck girls but said that Raven, Saturn, and Kidman did that and not him. He also liked going to the strip club with the Flock because they all dressed as their characters and it took no time at all to get ready. He mentions how one night at a regular club in Buffalo, Riggs ended up getting blown by a chick right on the floor and the rest of the Flock formed a circle and folded their arms around him as he ended up fucking her right there. Riggs said that the Flock all did this when one of them was getting some in the club. He then took her back to the hotel and fucked her all night. Then the next morning, the girl woke him up and said that she got a taxi and left him her number in case he returned to Buffalo. Riggs said that it was perfect.
He tells a story of how he was in bed when Saturn and Raven come in the room with three chicks. Saturn brings her girl in bed with him then Raven told the girl he was with to blow Riggs. So the girl blows Riggs as Raven is watching and asking Riggs if she is good at it, which he said she was. After that was done, Raven took her into the bathroom and fucked her with a hair dryer that was on the wall as she was on the counter. Riggs added that Raven always made sure to take care of his friends and loved him for that. 
Riggs is asked about Doug Dillinger. He said that he didn’t pay much attention to him and said he was a dick. He got his gig after working with the Crockett’s first. He said that he was a stooge but that was his job.
Next, Riggs tells of an incident he had with Stevie Richards. He was working a show with him in Bethelem, PA. Riggs was supposed to go over Richards in order to face Raven but he went on the mic and talked about how he was “Big Stevie Cool,” which pissed off Kevin Nash as he was goofing on his gimmick, and then called Riggs a “butt pirate” and belittled him on the mic, which was the not the plan. Riggs said that he left a handprint on his side from a chop, letting him know that he was pissed off. He then said how Richards did stuff that he was not supposed to do and Raven ended up yelling at him and the next day, Richards quit the company. Riggs said that if he wanted to get over in his hometown, he should have asked him, saying that he would do anything to put someone over in front of their family. Riggs said that maybe Stevie sees him as being a dick for not doing anything for him in their hometown and says that he likes Stevie as a person.
When asked about a comment Riggs made earlier about Hogan walking to the ring with bloodshot eyes, he said that Hogan had his own private dressing room and separate catering and didn’t see him smoke but walked by his room and you could smell it and when you see him walk out with bloodshot eyes, you can put it together. Riggs says that he saw Hogan stoned while on TV and questions why he doesn’t use Visine or the menthol eye drops that RVD uses. When asked who would walk out behind Hogan, Riggs said that Savage did and he was rumored to smoke a lot of pot but didn’t notice anyone else as they were not part of that group. He said that in their locker room, guys like Bret Hart and Curt Hennig were the top guys and knew everyone. He recalls Bret first meeting him in catering and they sat down and talked for two hours. Riggs said that Bret did that with everyone and always went out of his way to let you know he was part of the guys, unlike Hogan.
He is asked about how Scott Steiner was like in 1998-1999. Riggs said that when he became the “Big Poppa Pump” character, he became a different character. He was always friendly with him but at one point, they had some problems over a girl, who Riggs said played both of them.
Riggs tells a story about Rick Steiner on the golf course. While on the course, Rick drops his pants and wipes his ass with the towel on his back then put it in his bag. Riggs said it would end up being stiff as a board and he kept the same one in his bag. He said that he was a funny guy overall.
Now, he tells a story about how he had a problem with Road Warrior Animal over a girl. The interviewer asks Riggs if he can say who it is after he dropped a hint that it was a wrestler and he said that a was a recent WWE Hall of Fame girl, referencing Sunny. Riggs said that she denies as she does not want it in her system then lets it slip that he had sex with Sunny once and Animal got mad about that, as he apparently did too. He also said that quite a few had been with Sunny. Riggs did say that he was close with Hawk, who called Riggs “Scooter” because he had a younger brother named Scott. Riggs said that he called Hawk “Mikey” and they always got along.
Riggs said he was disappointed when the Flock disbanded as they had real heat due to jumping Benoit and DDP among other fan favorites. He believes that the political forces ended the group because the Flock were stealing heat from the nWo. He said that the nWo were the cool heels but they were the heels the fans hated and sometimes the fans would fight them. He tells a story of how at the Georgia Dome, he was with Van Hammer who walked the Flock from the front row through the back of the arena after their match against Benoit & McMichael and a few fans started to hit Hammer. Well, Hammer hit a few guys then Riggs said he had to punch a guy in the back of the head who was going after Saturn, who himself was beating off a few guys.
He is asked about Goldberg. Riggs said he had a match with him and kept on talking to him throughout and wanted to make him look good. He also said that were friendly and talked about how a lot of guys were trying to be selfish with him and take advantage of his inexperience. Riggs said that he still talks to Goldberg on occasion.
Now, Riggs is asked about how he left WCW. He said that he asked for his release. He was offered a new contract but did not like it and was unhappy with the direction of the company so he told JJ Dillon to release him outright. When asked if he regrets leaving WCW and getting the guaranteed paycheck and he said no because he company went down the toilet and he got a guaranteed paycheck in ECW.
On how he got to ECW, he met with Dreamer after being released, who told him that once his checks stopped coming from WCW, he would bring him aboard. Riggs said Heyman asked him what would make him happy for a contract and he settled on $50,000 less than what he asked for, which he said wasn’t as much as you think because he still got six figures and worked 12 days a month instead of 20 and was having fun again. He called the ECW locker room a breath of fresh air.
Riggs calls Heyman an “evil genius” when it comes to wrestling. He then recalls how Dreamer suggested that they reform the Dangerous Alliance, with Riggs acting as the Rick Rude of the group. Riggs didn’t seem to want to do that but RVD spoke up and said that he and Riggs should play off of their friendship. Riggs credits RVD for coming up with everything they did together. Heyman then tells Riggs to do the clap, which Riggs thought he was talking about the STD, but then said that it was a callback to his days as part of the American Males. So, they laid out the plans for the next several months for him and Riggs said almost every single thing that he planned actually happened. Riggs compares that to WCW when you got to Nitro and saw a board with the segments, which would change all the time, sometimes not even completed before the show made it to air. He said that for about four weeks in a row, Juventud vs. Kidman was the opening match because they knew that they could stick them out their for a fifteen minute match and the fans would like it and in the process, they could finish writing the show.
When asked about the guys in ECW, he said that he knew some of them because he visited the locker room before he joined the story on several occasions. He said the only guy who was rough to work with was Sandman because he was tanked and when he swung the cane, it would really hurt. He recalls the incident in Florida in which Sandman was tanked and running around naked swinging the cane and as a result, he got suspended.
Riggs said that at the end of his run, his paychecks were not coming on time. He said he would ask how much of an advance he could get and whatever they said, he took it because he wanted the cash and didn’t care if it came out of his paycheck. He said that not everyone was doing that and he took advantage of what he could when it came to getting paid.
He talks about bruising and cracking his ribs in a match against RVD. He said it made the match look a lot more intense because he was struggling badly. He said after being taken by ambulance to the hospital, RVD and his wife, along with a friend of his who did MMA visited him for a few hours. After the injury, he couldn’t do anything for several weeks and when he came back, the company was just about at the end. Riggs said there were plans to turn him face with merchandise revolving around the clap.
After ECW, he went to wrestle for Dusty Rhodes’ Turnbuckle Championship Wrestling. He worked with Barry Windham, who was in shape and did great. He won the belt a few times there. He had fun as he worked with young guys then also learned and listened a lot from veterans like Windham and Dustin Rhodes .
Riggs talks about how he won the TCW Title belt from Dustin Rhodes on his birthday and they all went to the “Pink Pony” a strip club in Atlanta. He met his future wife there, saying she was a “Penthouse Pet” type who was stripping, and Riggs said he nailed her in the tanning bed that was in the club and after that, she had to go on and perform her set.
When asked if he contacted the WWE at this time. He said he called and spoke with Jim Ross, who had a few ideas, but Riggs said he never saw himself as a character then adds that not everyone is meant to wrestle for the WWE. He also says that he dislikes the term “WWE Superstar” and would rather be known as a wrestler instead. He recalls how Terry Funk once told him that if you want to be a wrestler, don’t work for Vince McMahon. He says that if you want to act, you are better off getting into Hollywood where you can join SAG and get insurance because you are going to do the same with Vince with no guarantees or benefits.
Riggs is asked about Chris Benoit. He first heard while he was at his friend’s bar in Hilton Head, SC when Daffney of WCW fame texted him. Riggs added that she was his valet in TCW too and says that she is a sweetheart. The text read that Benoit and his whole family is dead and she didn’t know the details. Riggs said that he was choked up and went on the computer and saw what happened and started to cry. He then recalls how they were all fucked up at a hotel bar while in WCW and Chris called Nancy and waived Riggs over because Nancy wanted to say hi as she liked him. Riggs said that they were close.
Now he is asked about any warning signs or theories of what happened. He said he knew there was tension but when he knew them in WCW, he never knew Chris to be violent towards Nancy. He then says that he wants to believe that it was because his brain was that of an eighty year old man but no one will ever know what happened. He then talks about how the way Benoit killed himself with a weight machine could have been a torturous way to hang himself for what he did. Riggs then said that he heard Benoit became a tortured soul once Eddie Guerrero died and that his memory was getting progressively worse. He said that he misses all three of them.

When asked about steroids, Riggs said that he did a little bit “here and there” primarily to heal from injuries and always from a doctor. He also said that just because you got all jacked up doesnt mean you get a major push, citing how Bagwell came back bigger than ever after breaking his neck and even begged the company to play off of the injury but WCW still didnt care. Riggs also said how Bagwell was heading to an upper level before the injury too.

The interviewer brings up John Cena’s CNN interview in which he claims to have never done steroids. Riggs said he has one word for that, which is “bullshit.” He thinks that Cena takes a “shitload” of growth hormones. When asked about his coming back from injury much quicker than what is originally reported, Riggs thinks they are just playing him up as “Superman” and cites his elbow that was swollen could have just been a ruptured bursa sack and it was just a way to give him time off to see if they can push someone else. He adds that he tore his tricep before and could not use his arm then says when he watched TV, Cena wore a black band for the first two weeks after he returned then took it off.

He is then asked if there is anyway that Scott Steiner got as big as he did without steroids and Riggs said no. He says that he never saw Steiner inject himself but when he was the “White Thunder” character, his body was a little soft but six months later when he was “Big Poppa Pump,” he was shredded. Riggs said your body doenst just get that way in six months by changing your diet. With regards to whether or not steroids should be legal, Riggs first says that sports are more exciting when players are faster and stronger and that as long as it is regulated, it should be okay, adding that you cannot be at a certain level.

Riggs is asked about painkillers and if he had any problems with them. He said there were certain times in which he would blow through a 30 day prescription in a week but would only use doctors, stating that he had two of them. Riggs said that he never bought pills from dealers. He then adds that on occasion when he needed a prescription and was on the road, he would go to a doc and say he was on the road for three weeks, when he was really on the road for one, and ask for a three week supply and in exchange he would give them tickets. He said that over 15 years ago that worked but it would not at all today. He said that it was hell when he would get off of them and says that he does not need as much today, adding that he uses DDP Yoga to help. Riggs then shows us his elbow,which was fractured in 2007, and a huge scar that runs across his arm and has had three surgeries, requiring multiple steel plates and screws as a result. He says that is arm is different in length and he is unable to lift, as his arm cannot straighten out.

When asked about concussions, Riggs said that his mind has been “fucking” with him recently with bouts of forgetfulness and depression as well due to the multiple concussions he has suffered. Riggs says that now, his short-term memory has gotten so bad to the point that he has to write everything down so he will not forget. Riggs adds that he probably would have forgotten to show up to the interview had Rob not texted him. He then talks about how he has a doctor and a therapist that went through his concussion history and have come to the conclusion that he has had six undocumented concussions in his life, not including college football or WCW. He recalls having a concussion diagnosed in WCW after a match with Saturn and how he wrestled the following week. Riggs then adds how Christian has missed a lot of time and that Dolph Ziggler’ concussion screwed up his entire run. When Riggs is asked if he is worried at all about his concussions, he said that he is and said that he has donated his brain for further study when he passes. He also said that he met Chris Nowinski then underwent testing after that. Riggs then jokes that he doesnt want to end this on a bad note after all of his stories about girls and drugs.

In closing, Riggs said that he wants to tombstone to read “Scotty Riggs, he was just here a minute ago” then adds how in his career he had a few cups of coffee and is still remembered for the American Males, Raven’s Flock, and the Clap in ECW. He ends by saying that he “enjoyed the fuck out of what he did.”

Final Thoughts: What a terrific shoot interview. I bought this based on the trailer and it did not disappoint one bit. He tells some crazy stories here too but even gets pretty serious, especially at the end. He was very open about his physical and mental struggles right out but still manages to keep an upbeat attitude, which is amazing.

Overall, this shoot is worth picking up. I give it a very, very high recommendation. You cant go wrong.

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