Digging through the inbox for some old stuff tonight.
Digging through the inbox for some old stuff tonight.
Jason Bellomo writes:
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Well Jason, I’ll respond to you with the team that really set the wrestling world on fire. The team that made wrestling feel legitimate in ways that are nearly impossible to describe, but also too countless to count.
Hey, here’s a good one from a Mr. Mallonee:
In honor of Daniel Bryan’s impending multiple match performance at WM 30
who do you feel had the best performance at a PPV when they wrestled
more than once? My personal favorite is Kurt Angle at King of the Ring
when he fought Christian, Edge, and Shane-O Mac all in one night but I
thought you and the Blog of Doom might have other ideas.
Actually I think you nailed it. I generally have an issue with Wrestler vs. Non Wrestler matches – for example even though Hogan and Vince had a great match, I thought it was weird that while Hogan is old he’s still a ‘wrestler’ whereas Vince just sort of has matches occasionally. In a kayfabe sense, Hogan should dominate Vince. See also: Flair vs. Vince, and so on.
What do you think are some of the best/worst feuds that never got a proper blow-off? I will start the bidding with Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin (’97/’98)
I’ll see that bid and raise you Bret Hart vs. Tatanka for least Native American person who talks like a Native American person. Seriously! Watch an interview with the guy!
If we’re being serious, I guess I’d imagine the NWO stuff in WCW is a big one. That just sort of petered out, right? It never had a big blow-off where WCW won?
A REAL Vince Vs. Eric Vs. Heyman feud
I think Eric Bischoff vs. Vince was money waiting to happen but never really materialized in the proper way, though there was the “announce table near the entrance ramp” era.The ECW Reboot seemed like a great opportunity, but save for a shoot promo or two, it seemed that Vince – a guy happy to get his REAL ass kicked, was insecure about letting his precious WWE appear weak or vulnerable – perhaps due to possible stock implications.
Bret vs. Vince
Also not to turn this into a make fun of Bret Hart thread, but I really, really, really, really, really, really, fucking really, hated Bret vs. Vince at Wrestlemania. I may have told this story before but everyone I talked to that weekend was stoked for that match, based primarily on what Shawn was able to do in his ‘big return’ at Summer Slam. Bret was obviously going to be limited, but I guess I, and people not ‘in the know’, held out a sliver of hope that maybe Bret had a little magic left, but he didn’t. Bummer.
CM Punk vs. Mick Foley
I think Scott made a point about this one. They delivered a super heated segment, despite them not actually feuding and there being zero chance of them wrestling. It could have been a *great* match, and I bet Foley could have done some innovative ‘PG’ safe things, but as it stands all I remember is the awesome segment. I can’t even remember the PPV they were going for.
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Here’s a cool question from a fella who didn’t sign his name in a question, so I’m going to refer to him as Jeorge.
Hey, (Insert traditional ego-stroking here)
On the subject of Fandango, there’s a great Kevin Costner movie by that title that’s really sweet and kind of cheesy. I’d check it out.
…Well this escalated quickly. Much like Glenn Jacobs is to Diesel, it looks like I’m the new, flabbier, Caliber, and now have ‘posting questions from Mr. Keith’s inbox’ duties, as well as officially handling QOTD from now on. So the first person I get to disappoint with a response that’s not from Scott, but instead from me, is Brent. Brent says:
‘Over the course of your time watching and, especially, reviewing pro
wrestling, what wrestlers have you changed your opinions on, both good
and bad? For example, I remember you not caring for Ronnie Garvin
matches years ago, but it seems you like his matches more now (hope I’m
not wrong on that perception). And are there match styles you like or
dislike more than you did when you started doing this? Thanks for the
Right around the time Hogan came back to wrestle The Rock, I think a lot of pro-wrestling fans kind of caught the nostalgia fever, and I was kind of glad to have him around. He wasn’t setting the world on fire, match wise, but I enjoyed his feud with Brock Lesnar quite a bit (“Brock Lesnar may be 23…and I may be…29, brother!”) and thought his match with Vince at Wrestlemania was one of those 3-and-a-half star classics like Angle v. Shane or Vince v. Shane that had no right being as good as it was. Plus he gave us one of the best ribs in the history of (my association with) pro wrestling, where Shawn Michaels spent the majority of the Summer Slam bumping around like a cartoon character behind Hogan’s back.
I’m pretty sure I’m mixing up two separate runs in there, but hey, memory is a funky thing.
But anyway, much like barfing up ice-cream, I’m a bit embarrassed to admit I enjoyed Hogan the second time around – maybe because I was expecting far less than I actually got, and could actually appreciate what Hogan had to offer as an entertainer. Especially since I was ‘in the know’ versus being a kid who liked him because I was supposed too.
As far as wrestling styles go – I think a lot of fans are a bit more conscious of hardcore wrestling. The first time I saw “I Quit” I was like 13 and loved every second of it. After reading “Have a Nice Day” and all the other crazy wrestler head-trauma related ish that happened there-after, I stopped enjoying matches where dudes bashed their skulls in for the entertainment of the millions (and millions) of fans watching at home.
But what say you, Blog ODers?
Back to the beginning, twelve years ago: Time to open up that ol’ Smarks.com mailbag… First piece of mail this week comes from Dave Simons, who goes that extra distance and not only criticises me, but actually wishes me dead and tortured. Now THAT’S passionate letter-writing. (2013 Scott sez: Remember a couple of weeks ago when I was talking about how grumpy I was watching RAW because of a guy prank-calling me? Basically it was some dude in Florida who sounded rather drunk and got a hold of my cell phone number, then spent two hours texting me messages about how I “touch little boys” and making dated jokes about my haircut from a decade ago. Then he moved to voice mails advising me to kill myself by jumping off a cliff. My wife trolled him for a while by constantly answering my phone and acting like she didn’t know who I was, but finally we got bored of him and blocked the number. The funny thing is that he gave his name as though it was someone I should know and quake in fear at hearing from, but I’d never even heard of the guy. So the point is, 12 years later my popularity remains unabated. On with this moron…)
I just wanted to say that just when I thought you could not be more pathetic than you already are, you go and prove me wrong. I guess you forgot that you’re the guy who all this time has been using every chance he ever could to bash WCW. You’re the one for years who said they’d go out of business. (funny though how you never said a thing about the XFL, you goddamn shill) Now they finally have gone out of business and you were ecstatic about it, you faggot. You were the one who said how “surreal” it was to see you’re god, Vince McMahon, on wcw tv and how there’s no way they can fuck this up. Lo and behold, you got you’re wish, and now the WWF has gotten stale. Since you are so stupid, I will draw the conclusion for you–the WWF can’t even keep themselves interesting, there’s no way they could handle two promotions. It’s not your endless shilling that bothers me though. It’s how goddamn hypocritical you are. You say Buff Bagwell has no business in wrestling, but then say that the WWF “has to get Goldberg” they guy who wasn’t even considerate enough to show up to the last episode of Nitro (yeah I bet a guy like that really respects the business) You never complained once during the WWF comeback, which Vince Russo had an integral part in. But the second he comes to WCW, you don’t even give him a chance. Hell, you were the loser who made a chart of every mistake he ever made in the WWF, yet never pointed out these mistakes when he was working for the WWF. And now look at you. You’ve finally started writing about the WWF objectively. THe only reason you do this–it’s cause you’ve finally realized how little you count. The WWF doesn’t give a shit about you or your opinion–that’s why they had one of their columnist’s nail you (he did a damn good job too). And then all of a sudden the guy who spent his entire life kissing the WWF’s ass, and said Vince McMahon can’t fuck anything up, suddenly turns into a broken-hearted pussy when he realizes that the WWF doesn’t care about him. I’m real sorry about your apartment burning down–sorry that you didn’t burn down with it. Don’t worry though, I’m sure one day there’ll be a book burning party at your place, where we’ll torch “The Buzz on Professional Wrestling” Looking at the reviews on Amazon.com, it seems like more than enough people would participate. This time, though, we’ll make sure you’re inside the fire. I can honestly think of no one who deserves to be tortured and murdered more than you. And if there’s any justice in the world, one day that’ll happen. Oh,one more thing. Don’t ever act like you care about Owen Hart. You don’t give one shit about him. Ever since his death, you never once criticized the man who killed him and then crapped all over his death by continuing the show. These are words not just from me, but from his own older brother. And who do you think mattered more to Owen, his brother, or a dumb fuck like you.
So, Dave, what do you REALLY think? (I don’t know why I didn’t respond here, but the e-mail is so hilariously inaccurate that it kind of stands on its own. I didn’t say anything about the XFL? REALLY? Doesn’t making fun of the very idea for months leading up to it and then practically dancing on its grave count? And I never criticized Vince McMahon for leading to the death of Owen Hart? And this guy was still defending Russo even after he brought down the entire promotion? On the bright side, this e-mail was written well before 9/11, so at least he would likely have someone more worthy of being tortured and murdered now.) Former Rant Crew contributor Andy Goss chimes in with a King of the Ring scenario (which I’m deleting because it’s long and kind of not good. I’m sure beating me another 200 times at You Don’t Know Jack will make up for it, though.) … That’s, uh…very well thought out. I don’t think the WCW crossover is gonna happen anytime this summer, but it’s certainly no worse than anything else the WWF has been booking lately. John David, an embittered UK reader, writes in to bitch about the WWF’s UK PPVs, a popular topic it seems…
After watching InsurreXion on Sky Box Office the other weekend, I was quite surprised to see the announcement of the Manchester PPV Rebellion. Manchester is not that far from my home town of Liverpool, so myself and the four friends that I was watching Insurrexion with decided that we’d do our damnest to try and get tickets, since for the last few PPV’s we’d been unable to get tickets or we’d been unavailable when the tickets went on sale. We decided that each of the five of us would try to get five tickets (just in case some of us failed), we figured that if we had too many tickets we could always sell them on (Insurrexion tickets were selling for £150-£300 on eBay the week before the event). My friends Chris & John(II) would phone ticket master, Suze would go to HMV and Clare and myself (John(I)) would sit on Ticket Master’s website.
What I was surprised at was what happened on the following Friday. Tickets went on sale from Ticketmaster and HMV Box Office at 9am on that day, and so we were at our appointed posts. Clare and I had started checking the website at 8am, and at about 8:30am it experienced a notable slowdown, at 8:45 it was painfully slow on average getting a time out error every 10 reloads. At 9:00am it was dead stop almost. But we continued, knowing that surely one of us would get through on their website.
Ticketmaster’s website displayed that there were no more tickets for sale (or rather a “We cannot complete your transaction” message indicating sold out). Ticketmaster’s phone lines were about as much help, as they were constantly engaged for two hours. HMV – well they were a non factor, Sold Out it seemed were an order of the day.
So the five of us decided that it looked like we wouldn’t be going to Rebellion (and I really wanted to dress up as Steven Richards to the disgust of my four other friends). Once more the fickle hand of fate had dealt us a killing blow.
But no, like any good fairy tale this does have a (vaguely) happy ending – it transpires that quite a few coach companies had bought massive blocks of tickets and were selling them on in a package deal and we managed to scrounge some tickets out of them. So we will be going (and I really hope RTC doesn’t split up so I can go looking like a moron dressed as a member of RTC).
My point(s) on this matter –
1. The UK gets two PPV events a year and it looks like the WWF could easily expand that to more, such as they did when they were doing a “UK Tour” rather than just one event at a time, and certainly they would get the patronage, and transporting their wrestlers over for one show then transporting them back to the US is surely less cost effective than getting a few shows out of them while they’re over here.
2. Due to the limit on PPV’s – the UK fans become rather rabid at the thought of tickets, I believe that it was around 1hr that it took for all the outlets to sell out of tickets for the event, and it left many fans out in the cold – the US are very lucky in that they have house shows / PPV’s / TV Tapings to see their “superstars” in action. The UK gets one 2.5 hour segment every (if we’re lucky) 6 months, so it comes as no surprise to find the mass appeal for tickets.
3. And due to this ticket grabbing madness some people are making a LOT of money off this. I know someone who ordered tickets (and received them) due to the priority service that Ticketmaster runs – purely for the intention of selling them on eBay – he got 10 tickets at a cost of £35 each – £350. If tickets go for the same price on eBay that the Insurrexion tickets go for he can expect to get between £1500 and £3000 for them. Sickening really. Isn’t it?
Hey man, just be glad you don’t live in Canada – you’d only get the WWF once a YEAR unless you lived in Toronto. And if there’s one universal constant about ticket-buying systems worldwide, it’s that chances of people actually buying tickets through them are slim and none.
(Now up here you get WWE once every two to three years, if that. And the UK doesn’t get PPVs anymore. So everyone wins, I guess.)
That’s all I got from the mailbag this week, until next time, keep smilin’…
(That was kind of a lame first edition, aside from the spectacular first letter. I just don’t get that kind of passionate hate mail anymore. Mostly it’s confined to people on the F4W board now.)
Safeco Field, Seattle, WA
54,097 in Attendance
550,000 in PPV buys. Pretty weak since they were expecting 880,000. Why do you guys think the buy-rate was so low?
We get the promo for Goldberg’s arrival. I
remember seeing that and screaming “NO! NO! Please God, NO!” However,
my pleas fell on deaf ears.
Hope you guys dug it. I appreciate the requests for good shows, you’ve all been kind. What would you guys like to see next?
Thanks to Steven Ferrari for taking the time to check this article and allow me to look professional.
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